Actually, looking at that list again, I see I've neglected upgrading on that computer for longer than I realised... chimaera as testing? *checks site*, yeah that's "Chimaera 4.0 has moved to oldoldstable status.". That's like 4 versions old. XD
It's pretty much the same thing as everywhere, you have a bunch of lovely people who package and test things, nothing too weird. What you are describing is LFS.
I was under the impression that you had to compile everything yourself on Gentoo and in Nix that you have to mess with a config to do everything and anything.
Maybe I should try them both to see what the fuzz is about.
Speaking about Gentoo, you don't "have to" compile everything, but let's just say it's strongly encouraged. Most of the compilation is automated though, think AUR on steroids. If you don't want to touch anything, you can go with defaults for all the software and you'll get basically what you get on any other distro.
The thing is, though, if you are not being a little funny with your software, why the hell are you running Gentoo? So, it's entirely optional, but it's the main reason one would use Gentoo, otherwise you get a stock standard system with stupidly long updates.
I can't speak for Nix, though, I haven't touched it myself, but from what I know from those around me running it, it's pretty much the same thing, unless you want something cool, you don't have to suffer.
Okey thank you so much for the information! I can see the appeal. More freedom and customization. I am all for it.
But for my use cases I think Arch is enough. It strikes a nice balance with official packages and the AUR and I love that you get to choose all of the packages you want to have installed.
That is very surprising, last I heard it had to catch up with having popular applications. Is this due to how package dependencies differ on Nix vs what people think of traditionally as packages?
The reason is more that the config language that you have to learn if you want to use NixOS is the exact same you use to package applications for NixOS.
So any user is also just a tiny, non-intimidating step away from being a contributor and package maintainer.
I know for myself, I never packaged for the AUR - just seemed way to intimidating and a lot of new stuff to figure out - but I maintain a bunch of packages and modules in nixpkgs, and they're all stuff that was "huh, this is cool but not packaged yet; alright, I'll package it in my private config; oh that was easy, let's upstream it".
There is another reply to this comment where I said I'm not using it. If you are interested in something specific why not just go type the package name into their repository search thingy?
She's just baffled that anyone who knows those two distributions could be so dense as to whittle down the vast infinite sea of possible options to just two incredibly boring ones. She would have cried next if he hadn't done it.
I know part of the joke is that it's not this comparison--that asking "arch or debian" also rules out Windows--but it really is the important dividing line.
That's actually what I've seen a lot! After a few years of tinkering with your system, the idea of something stable and polished is very appealing, so you can focus on getting things done.
Linus Torvalds is married to Tove Torvalds (née Monni), a six-time Finnish national karate champion, whom he met in late 1993. He was running introductory computer laboratory exercises for students and instructed the course attendees to send him an e-mail as a test, to which Tove responded with an e-mail asking for a date.
Fedora Linux[10] is a Linux distribution developed by the Fedora Project. It was originally developed in 2003 as a continuation of the Red Hat Linux project.
It looks like there were Linux distributions at the time, but they were very early:
Torvalds' "Boot-Root" images, from v0.95a onwards "Root" was maintained by Jim Winstead Jr., the aforementioned disk image pair with the kernel and the absolute minimal tools to get started (0.10: 4 November 1991)[12][13][14][15]
MCC Interim Linux (3 March 1992)[16]
TAMU Linux, based on MCC with simpler installation and X11 (14 July 1992)[17]
Softlanding Linux System (SLS) which included the X Window System and was the most comprehensive distribution for a short time (15 August 1992)[18]
H.J. Lu's "bootable rootdisks" (23 September 1992),[19][20] and "Linux Base System" (5 October 1992)[21][22]
Yggdrasil Linux/GNU/X, a commercial distribution (alpha: 8 December 1992)
The two oldest, still active distribution projects started in 1993. The SLS distribution was not well maintained, so in July 1993 a new SLS-based distribution, Slackware, was released by Patrick Volkerding.[23] Also dissatisfied with SLS, Ian Murdock set to create a free distribution by founding Debian in August 1993, with first public BETA released in January 1994 and first stable version in June 1996.[24][25]
I think that there are two possible takeaways from this:
Not clear what distro was used --- if any --- but if it was, it won't have been a presently existing one. It's possible that he was just rolling his own setup, not using a distro at all.
Linus's date with Tove derived from an email exchange. What ninja chicks look for in a guy is possibly an email client, not a Linux distribution at all. It sounds like Linus was probably using Pine at the time (though someone could go dig up mail headers from old emails to check).
Ubuntu Server LTS on my first-ever server. I'mma green rook at this. I'm amazed at how quickly and easily Casa was to get up and running on an old laptop.
I still got a long ways to go before I can try Debian for a server.
While I agree about the annoying Ubuntu parts, Ubuntu Server LTS does seem to ditch those annoying parts also. Besides, I'm running CasaOS over the top. So I haven't needed to deal with Ubuntu directly after setup. And hopefully, it stays that way until that old laptop dies.
There were still plenty of annoying parts left when I ditched Ubuntu Server as my default server OS for plain Debian. In fact, increasing annoyances was one of the reason I made the switch. This was around 2018 or so, during the 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS switch, and I haven't looked back. I'm quite happy with Debian 13 that's currently powering my VMs.
Fair game not wanting to change a running setup of course, but do yourself a favor and look into Debian the next time you're doing a new install of something.
Oh, I've run Debian a number of times over the years. I have 2 issues with it, I want newer software and I'm just not into going to the work needed to get the things I want running and still being easy to maintain. I've also spent years running Ubuntu off and on also.
Ubuntu Server with CasaOS was fast and easy to setup. Maybe 15 minutes to get he basic file server I want. And honestly, the first set of setup instructions for my repurposed laptop server that actually made sense as I read through them was for Ubuntu. So, Ubuntu it is - at least for now. Perhaps I might switch to Fedora at some point.
I want newer software and I’m just not into going to the work needed to get the things I want running and still being easy to maintain
I don't really get the "newer software" argument ... they just leapfrog each other every year or so, if you stick to LTS versions. For example, when Trixie came out it was more up-to-date than Noble Numbat (24.04 LTS), and then Resolute Racoon (26.04 LTS) leapfrogged Trixie again, and next year Forky will leapfrog Resolute Racoon.
Also, with Debian, if the stable release is getting a bit stale, you always have the option to start off with Debian Testing, and get something that's near bleeding edge up-to-date, and then follow testing until the next stable release and then stay on stable.
Ubuntu Server with CasaOS was fast and easy to setup. Maybe 15 minutes to get he basic file server I want
Never used CasaOS, but how would the setup process be any different on Debian? From an admin perspective, they're nearly identical ...
I had a quick glance at the CasaOS getting started page, and not only does Debian have official support but it's recommended over Ubuntu, and the installation instructions appear to be exactly the same.
To me it just sounds like you're a little bit stuck in your ways.
I've used Debian and I'm just not a fan. It's doubtful that will ever change.
To me it sounds like you just want to be right about what's "better". I never said I would run Ubuntu server forever. It's just where I started. It works and does all I need it to do right now. If I decide I need something different, I will find something different at that time. Until then, Ubuntu is working just fine.
Something I've noticed is that, generally speaking, the fediverse doesn't seem to be very hateful. Rude, sure, but rarely badness for sufferings sake. Without the constant pressure to be hateful, it is hard for grudges to take hold. I think a big reason is that the demographics on here appear to lean older than most other social media. Again, speaking generally, individual user behavior and experience may vary.
Im still surprised that opensuse still exists. We had to give it a try for networking classes back in ~2007 and it was very server oriented and totally didnt have a desktop feel.
That was almost 20 years ago. It is nothing like that anymore I would say. Some things are still more complicated to configure but then, other things just work that don't work for example on my other system that runs pop-os, in general openSUSE is just as easy to install as any user friendly distro. And among the rolling release distros, openSUSE Tumbleweed is probably the most stable of them all.
opi is a great tool, even when just looking for applications in the regular repository. But then you can also very easily access the open build service with it as well.
Arch is good if you know what youre doing or need a hobby. Cachyos is great if you want arch but want to do things other than troubleshoot your own mistakes
This hurts because Debian is named after a couple (Debra Lynn and Ian Murdock) who got married and divorced and Ian passed away. Going with Debian is a lifetime of hurt.
On the other hand Arch girls are described in Rick James's song "Superfreak".
Well, I've learned about a new distro today. Feels worthy of being added to the list of "want to fool around with but will probably never get around to."
Arch. I'm still having nightmares from trying to install up to date versions of user-space software onto Debian in 2008-ish, usually leading to having to compile it from source, usually leading to having many compiler errors due to make and GCC being quite a few versions behind. All the help I got in those days through forums are links to WinXP ISO torrents, and telling me that to stop ruining their "hobby OS".
I've gotta say, as a long time Apple hater, it is not bad these days, especially with their incredible hardware at the best value per dollar they've ever had. I use my Mac as much as possible at work when Windoes isn't absolutely required (I'm not allowed to use Linux)
Same here. Honestly, I think Apple has some of the best glass and graphical effects for devices. They make connectivity between devices super user friendly and fast.
I just wish MacOS wasn't a walled garden (I guess you call that linux then)
Yeah doing standard computer stuff is great, though the limitations start to hurt if it is a personal device. Some odd design decisions too like the Settings menu being unforgivably bad and unmaximizable for no reason, Finder being always open which messed with my OCD, a few other things. For hardware the prices for increased storage or RAM are highway robbery and can't be done yourself. Plus I'm pretty into open source and Linux is more customizable. That being said, Homebrew is pretty great these days, and Little Snitch or an open source equivalent does a good job of blocking telemetry so I could probably make it work if I had to.
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slazer2au@lemmy.world · 151 pts · 54d
Both. desktop is arch based, server is Debian.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 74 pts · 54d
You slut, you!
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 54d
Are you waiting for an invitation?
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 54d
Oooh yeah, baby, let's debug the networking stack together!
rtxn@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 54d
Don't be silly,
chmod o-wyour$WILLY!Digit@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 53d
Phew! For a split second I misred that as
chmod o+w.Digit@lemmy.wtf · 8 pts · 53d
That's all it takes to be a distro slut!?
What the heck am I then?
And that's just one of my computers.
[... it's starting to make sense, thinking about one thing I made, I called wminizer]
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 53d
I suggest a regimen of cold showers and coarse towels.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 53d
But like with glasses or something.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 53d
A container slut.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 53d
???
But... there are zero containers on any of my systems.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 53d
Actually, looking at that list again, I see I've neglected upgrading on that computer for longer than I realised... chimaera as testing? *checks site*, yeah that's "Chimaera 4.0 has moved to oldoldstable status.". That's like 4 versions old. XD
Landless2029@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 54d
Yep. "Depends on the use case" is a solid answer.
Ptsf@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 54d
🥵 yeah talk dirty to me.
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 54d
I run apt upgrade before apt update.
DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 54d
My iptables INPUT chain default policy is set to ACCEPT.
DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 54d
This is the way! Everything is based on Arch, Debian or Fedora anyway so you might as well stick to what is well known and supported.
TwilightKiddy@scribe.disroot.org · 13 pts · 54d
angry Gentoo and NixOS noises
DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 54d
From my understanding NixOS and Gentoo is "support it yourself". I haven't tried either of them so I could be completely wrong about that.
TwilightKiddy@scribe.disroot.org · 2 pts · 54d
It's pretty much the same thing as everywhere, you have a bunch of lovely people who package and test things, nothing too weird. What you are describing is LFS.
DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 54d
I was under the impression that you had to compile everything yourself on Gentoo and in Nix that you have to mess with a config to do everything and anything.
Maybe I should try them both to see what the fuzz is about.
TwilightKiddy@scribe.disroot.org · 2 pts · 54d
Speaking about Gentoo, you don't "have to" compile everything, but let's just say it's strongly encouraged. Most of the compilation is automated though, think AUR on steroids. If you don't want to touch anything, you can go with defaults for all the software and you'll get basically what you get on any other distro.
The thing is, though, if you are not being a little funny with your software, why the hell are you running Gentoo? So, it's entirely optional, but it's the main reason one would use Gentoo, otherwise you get a stock standard system with stupidly long updates.
I can't speak for Nix, though, I haven't touched it myself, but from what I know from those around me running it, it's pretty much the same thing, unless you want something cool, you don't have to suffer.
DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 54d
Okey thank you so much for the information! I can see the appeal. More freedom and customization. I am all for it.
But for my use cases I think Arch is enough. It strikes a nice balance with official packages and the AUR and I love that you get to choose all of the packages you want to have installed.
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 1 pts · 54d
How is Nix with software support these days?
smiletolerantly@awful.systems · 3 pts · 53d
Nothing else even comes close, except the AUR, but even that not really:
https://repology.org/repositories/graphs
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 53d
Interesting graphs.
Alas, the metric's a mite confounded by the different ways distros split up packages. So it skews e.g. the Debians up, and the voidlinuxen down.
... I'm guessing that still wouldn't be enough to put a dent in AUR and nixpkg 's towering package counts though.
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 1 pts · 53d
That is very surprising, last I heard it had to catch up with having popular applications. Is this due to how package dependencies differ on Nix vs what people think of traditionally as packages?
smiletolerantly@awful.systems · 2 pts · 53d
Not really. (When was last time?)
The reason is more that the config language that you have to learn if you want to use NixOS is the exact same you use to package applications for NixOS.
So any user is also just a tiny, non-intimidating step away from being a contributor and package maintainer.
I know for myself, I never packaged for the AUR - just seemed way to intimidating and a lot of new stuff to figure out - but I maintain a bunch of packages and modules in nixpkgs, and they're all stuff that was "huh, this is cool but not packaged yet; alright, I'll package it in my private config; oh that was easy, let's upstream it".
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 2 pts · 53d
Couldn't even tell you tbh.
Well that's pretty cool. I always liked the idea of being mega reproducible. I might try it on my home server instead of Debian.
TwilightKiddy@scribe.disroot.org · 2 pts · 53d
There is another reply to this comment where I said I'm not using it. If you are interested in something specific why not just go type the package name into their repository search thingy?
https://search.nixos.org/packages
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 54d
Slackware users in shambles!
Fissionami@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 54d
uss babe uss
jaypatelani@lemmy.ml · 79 pts · 54d
Reverse UNO
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 54d
NixOS* but yes
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 75 pts · 54d
My wife uses Debian, but I love her anyway. ❤️
squirrel@cake.kobel.fyi · 36 pts · 54d
Do you call her Debbie Anne?
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 29 pts · 54d
Fun fact that not a lot of people seem to know: the name is a portmanteau of "Deborah" and "Ian". The names of the Creator and his then wife
tetris11@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 54d
Debbie Anne, Debbie Anne
Much to cool for Windows pain
Debbie Anne she's like one in a mill-
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 54d
Deb Deb Deb, Deb Debbie Anne!
Zachariah@lemmy.world · 67 pts · 54d
Debian in the kitchen and Arch in the bedroom
testaccount789@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 54d
You only buy pre-made food?
That's where Gentoo belongs, or LFS if you don't like following recipes.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 54d
I buy ingredients, not seeds and animals.
RQG@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 54d
Only buy traditional food with a best before date at least 3 years in the future.
In bedroom a new bed every other day with a lot of bed bugs.
Zachariah@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 54d
don’t kink share
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 48 pts · 54d
She's just baffled that anyone who knows those two distributions could be so dense as to whittle down the vast infinite sea of possible options to just two incredibly boring ones. She would have cried next if he hadn't done it.
Also, OpenSUSE.
SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 54d
well the vast majority of those are just arch and debian with extra steps, with the occasional fedora based or independent distro
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 54d
Yep. Should be "Windows or Linux?"
I know part of the joke is that it's not this comparison--that asking "arch or debian" also rules out Windows--but it really is the important dividing line.
Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 54d
"Hammer to penis or steak" is less interesting than "Steak or lobster"
Anyways the answer is Steak, and a different steak if its for a server, and lobster (derogatory) if its for an important server
Untamed_Star@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 54d
I use the only correct option. TempleOS. /j
djdarren@piefed.social · 44 pts · 54d
She's a Hannah Montana girl.
DokPsy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 54d
So... Debian then? Hannah Montana Linux has historically been a kubuntu reskin
djdarren@piefed.social · 5 pts · 54d
There's a Hannah Montana Linux? Wild.
DokPsy@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 54d
There was a while ago and then it was recently revived
https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/
https://gitlab.com/DecaCagle/hannahmontanalinux26
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 54d
Notsureif.gif
osanna@lemmy.vg · 1 pts · 53d
djdarren@piefed.social · 1 pts · 53d
Truly these are glorious days.
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 36 pts · 54d
"Debian or Arch?"
hakunawazo@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 53d
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 53d
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 2 pts · 52d
It's the best of both worlds
mlg@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 53d
::: spoiler spoiler RPMs are better than DEBs :::
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 6 pts · 53d
Yeah I get some good RPMs on my 2001 Honda Civic.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 4 pts · 53d
I'm fine with .ebuild and .xbps, thnx.
kungen@feddit.nu · 3 pts · 53d
Elaborate.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 53d
Get out you corporate sellout!
GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone · 33 pts · 54d
"Arch or Debian?"
"TempleOS, you heathen!"
end_stage_ligma@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 54d
And then I pushed him over
tetris11@feddit.uk · 10 pts · 54d
And then he kissed metempest@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 54d
What happens when a zealot meets a more zealous zealot
pmk@piefed.ca · 9 pts · 54d
"Zealot" is relative to where you currently are. Mint -> Debian -> Arch -> FreeBSD -> OpenBSD -> Plan 9 -> TempleOS
kender242@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 54d
Then straight back to Mint! Full circle, bell curve meme style.
pmk@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 54d
That's actually what I've seen a lot! After a few years of tinkering with your system, the idea of something stable and polished is very appealing, so you can focus on getting things done.
tempest@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 54d
I run Arch on my personal machine and Debian on my server and honestly Debian gives me more issues.
It doesn't like zfs and Nvidia drivers are always a fight. Debian is still good though if all you want to run is a web server forever.
auzy1@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 54d
Linus would be out... He uses Fedora
tal@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 54d
He's also married.
auzy1@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 54d
Of course he is. No woman can resist a guy who uses Fedora
tal@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 54d
She went for him in late 1993:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
Fedora won't have been around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux
It looks like there were Linux distributions at the time, but they were very early:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution
I think that there are two possible takeaways from this:
Not clear what distro was used --- if any --- but if it was, it won't have been a presently existing one. It's possible that he was just rolling his own setup, not using a distro at all.
Linus's date with Tove derived from an email exchange. What ninja chicks look for in a guy is possibly an email client, not a Linux distribution at all. It sounds like Linus was probably using Pine at the time (though someone could go dig up mail headers from old emails to check).
end_stage_ligma@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 54d
M'linux
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 54d
"Arch or Debian"
"Slackware"
"Marry me"
MoffKalast@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 54d
"Ubuntu."
"NEXT!!!"
Taleya@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 54d
Slack was my first nix exposure professionally, talk about the deep end
jobbies@lemmy.zip · 25 pts · 54d
Hence why so many of us are gay for each other.
Mister_Hangman@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 54d
I’m all for touching as long as we don’t sudo
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 53d
fuck. um, what if i sudo while you rm rf
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 53d
Relevant lemmy post
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 53d
I thought it was because we're all femboys and trans catgirls.
jobbies@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 53d
Nah I'm just a boring old homo
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 23 pts · 54d
Debian, of course. My computer is a tool, not a hobby.
Plus, I like apt. It's nice.
Denixen@feddit.nu · 21 pts · 53d
I would answer debian, but I want her to say arch.
I want my girlfriend to be smarter than me ok!?
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 53d
Whenever I hear Debian, I always imagine a newb OS called Nubian and damn that'd slap as a name.
All text would be in Papyrus font.
bobo@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 53d
You mean an African distro?
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 53d
Why not-a? It-a worked for Nana Bou's African bistro-a!
click
dismay3915@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 54d
Her: it depends on who's asking and their usecase
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 15 pts · 54d
Fedora.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 54d
OS/2 Warp
rumba@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 54d
SOLD!
God that was a glorious OS.
I was in sales around the time in between 2.1 and 4. Win 3 was the current and you could hardly multitask anything that wasn't idle.
I found out you could open a music video 9 times and tile it and it just worked (a little slow)
I was all wtf are we even selling Windows, this is amazing.
Then win95 hit, and it could do the same time.
Microsoft had us put out a table with win95, I ran that exact demo with the Edie Brickell video from the install CD and copies flew off the floor.
Funny thing, not like a single person there would ever do that, but that's all they needed to see
Slashme@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 54d
She uses Gentoo.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 54d
Still pass. S&M just isn't my thing.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 7 pts · 54d
Luckily the USE flags narrowly define consent.
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 54d
Plus, 6 months before ready to orgasm.
Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 54d
Debian for work, arch for home
ghost9@piefed.social · 15 pts · 54d
Debian in the streets, arch in the sheets.
Ftumch@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 54d
NixOS or gtfo!
refreeze@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 54d
The NixOS user in this scenario would be asking who is sponsoring the date.
RustyNova@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 54d
Sponsoring?
tetris11@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 54d
Guix or rtfm!
tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 53d
All hail the church of Nix 🙏
Broadfern@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 54d
She’s clearly a LFS person
mote@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 54d
por qué no los dos?
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 54d
“I run DOS”
aim4harmony@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 54d
Meeeh, date a guy.
notptr@lemmy.cyberia9.org · 6 pts · 54d
Plan 9
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl · 6 pts · 53d
Both.
Debian for anything that has to run unattended for a long time without requiring much care. Arch for the desktop.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 53d
Ubuntu Server LTS on my first-ever server. I'mma green rook at this. I'm amazed at how quickly and easily Casa was to get up and running on an old laptop.
I still got a long ways to go before I can try Debian for a server.
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 53d
Debian is just Ubuntu without all the annoying parts.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 52d
While I agree about the annoying Ubuntu parts, Ubuntu Server LTS does seem to ditch those annoying parts also. Besides, I'm running CasaOS over the top. So I haven't needed to deal with Ubuntu directly after setup. And hopefully, it stays that way until that old laptop dies.
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 51d
There were still plenty of annoying parts left when I ditched Ubuntu Server as my default server OS for plain Debian. In fact, increasing annoyances was one of the reason I made the switch. This was around 2018 or so, during the 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS switch, and I haven't looked back. I'm quite happy with Debian 13 that's currently powering my VMs.
Fair game not wanting to change a running setup of course, but do yourself a favor and look into Debian the next time you're doing a new install of something.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 51d
Oh, I've run Debian a number of times over the years. I have 2 issues with it, I want newer software and I'm just not into going to the work needed to get the things I want running and still being easy to maintain. I've also spent years running Ubuntu off and on also.
Ubuntu Server with CasaOS was fast and easy to setup. Maybe 15 minutes to get he basic file server I want. And honestly, the first set of setup instructions for my repurposed laptop server that actually made sense as I read through them was for Ubuntu. So, Ubuntu it is - at least for now. Perhaps I might switch to Fedora at some point.
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 51d
I don't really get the "newer software" argument ... they just leapfrog each other every year or so, if you stick to LTS versions. For example, when Trixie came out it was more up-to-date than Noble Numbat (24.04 LTS), and then Resolute Racoon (26.04 LTS) leapfrogged Trixie again, and next year Forky will leapfrog Resolute Racoon.
Also, with Debian, if the stable release is getting a bit stale, you always have the option to start off with Debian Testing, and get something that's near bleeding edge up-to-date, and then follow testing until the next stable release and then stay on stable.
Never used CasaOS, but how would the setup process be any different on Debian? From an admin perspective, they're nearly identical ...
I had a quick glance at the CasaOS getting started page, and not only does Debian have official support but it's recommended over Ubuntu, and the installation instructions appear to be exactly the same.
To me it just sounds like you're a little bit stuck in your ways.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 51d
I've used Debian and I'm just not a fan. It's doubtful that will ever change.
To me it sounds like you just want to be right about what's "better". I never said I would run Ubuntu server forever. It's just where I started. It works and does all I need it to do right now. If I decide I need something different, I will find something different at that time. Until then, Ubuntu is working just fine.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 54d
Qubes
lena@gregtech.eu · 6 pts · 54d
Ubuntu on the desktop and Debian on the server. Just crucify me already
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 54d
I’m noticing Lemmy is becoming slightly less hateful towards Ubuntu lately.
DaleGribble88@programming.dev · 1 pts · 53d
Something I've noticed is that, generally speaking, the fediverse doesn't seem to be very hateful. Rude, sure, but rarely badness for sufferings sake. Without the constant pressure to be hateful, it is hard for grudges to take hold. I think a big reason is that the demographics on here appear to lean older than most other social media. Again, speaking generally, individual user behavior and experience may vary.
ragas@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 54d
Gentoo
leanleft@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 54d
is that like google??
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 53d
Yes! ChromeOS is gentoo-based.
leanleft@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 53d
oh shizz
really? i was just kidding. aah ITS EVERYWHERE
phar@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 54d
I kind of feel like this comic was best with just the first two panels
toothpaste_sandwich@thebrainbin.org · 6 pts · 54d
Oh, no, often I agree with this kind of thing but in this case I really think the third panel adds something.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 54d
Or even just the first panel.
Jiral@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 53d
openSUSE.
DacoTaco@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 52d
Im still surprised that opensuse still exists. We had to give it a try for networking classes back in ~2007 and it was very server oriented and totally didnt have a desktop feel.
Jiral@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 52d
That was almost 20 years ago. It is nothing like that anymore I would say. Some things are still more complicated to configure but then, other things just work that don't work for example on my other system that runs pop-os, in general openSUSE is just as easy to install as any user friendly distro. And among the rolling release distros, openSUSE Tumbleweed is probably the most stable of them all.
opi is a great tool, even when just looking for applications in the regular repository. But then you can also very easily access the open build service with it as well.
ItsMeForRealNow@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 54d
Arch! Specifically cachyos. I loved it when I used it.
Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 54d
Arch is good if you know what youre doing or need a hobby. Cachyos is great if you want arch but want to do things other than troubleshoot your own mistakes
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 54d
I loved it... but I stopped?
lyralycan@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 54d
Maybe they stopped needing a PC
ItsMeForRealNow@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 53d
I mean I don't have that laptop or pc anymore. So yeah.
atk007@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 53d
This hurts because Debian is named after a couple (Debra Lynn and Ian Murdock) who got married and divorced and Ian passed away. Going with Debian is a lifetime of hurt.
On the other hand Arch girls are described in Rick James's song "Superfreak".
ajikeshi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 53d
and yet... their names are immortalized... it wouldnt surprise me if debian is still around in 50 years
user1234@fedinsfw.app · 4 pts · 54d
Depends on the use case.
DokPsy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 54d
Debian for stability, arch for the memes, !#++ for the minimalism(still Debian but will make themselves into whatever you want)
palordrolap@fedia.io · 3 pts · 54d
Well, I've learned about a new distro today. Feels worthy of being added to the list of "want to fool around with but will probably never get around to."
DokPsy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 54d
It's a great one if you have like a netbook or other light resource device. Or like to heavy modify the layout aka ricing
DaleGribble88@programming.dev · 1 pts · 53d
Yup! Fedora for everything, and everything else for the lolz.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 53d
Is this like asking if looking for a fling or a long term relationship?
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 3 pts · 53d
Me: "Numbers or mechanics?"
WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 54d
Debian.
stsquad@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 54d
Debian for the stable base flatpak/snap/src for the bleeding edge apps.
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 54d
extra steps
lime@feddit.nu · 3 pts · 54d
she grew up with a BeBox
Ftumch@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 54d
😍 Hey baby, wanna go back to your place and show me your blinkenlights?
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 53d
Arch. I'm still having nightmares from trying to install up to date versions of user-space software onto Debian in 2008-ish, usually leading to having to compile it from source, usually leading to having many compiler errors due to make and GCC being quite a few versions behind. All the help I got in those days through forums are links to WinXP ISO torrents, and telling me that to stop ruining their "hobby OS".
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 53d
Manjaro.
teuniac_@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 53d
Why? I really enjoyed Mankato while slowly breaking it (Arch is just not for people like me)
Reygle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 54d
Arch or Debian?
answers question with question
Speed or reliability?
Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 54d
MacOS of course /s
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 2 pts · 54d
I've gotta say, as a long time Apple hater, it is not bad these days, especially with their incredible hardware at the best value per dollar they've ever had. I use my Mac as much as possible at work when Windoes isn't absolutely required (I'm not allowed to use Linux)
Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 54d
Same here. Honestly, I think Apple has some of the best glass and graphical effects for devices. They make connectivity between devices super user friendly and fast.
I just wish MacOS wasn't a walled garden (I guess you call that linux then)
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 2 pts · 53d
Yeah doing standard computer stuff is great, though the limitations start to hurt if it is a personal device. Some odd design decisions too like the Settings menu being unforgivably bad and unmaximizable for no reason, Finder being always open which messed with my OCD, a few other things. For hardware the prices for increased storage or RAM are highway robbery and can't be done yourself. Plus I'm pretty into open source and Linux is more customizable. That being said, Homebrew is pretty great these days, and Little Snitch or an open source equivalent does a good job of blocking telemetry so I could probably make it work if I had to.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 53d
She best answer Kinonite. Easy effort, and it's as fresh as we need. Leaving plenty of time to make sweet, sweet love. (cue Barry White soundtrack)
lemmygarden@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 52d
ubuntu because my brain is so small
CallMeAl@piefed.world · 2 pts · 52d
the name comes from the Bantu word "ubuntu" which loosely translated means, "debian is too hard"
pewpew@feddit.it · 1 pts · 54d
Debian
0x0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 53d
Devuan.
FTFY
amniote@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 53d
Impotent or idempotent ?