For me it is shocking because JavaScript running in a browser environment does not have access to the local filesystem. It can create cookies, but then it can only access its own cookies, not even other cookies of other sites. In principle.
This is why there is a resistance to the push of every business peddling a smartphone app -- because normal non-js apps (typically Java not JavaScript) can access the local file system and snoop on other processes. If JavaScript-based web apps had the same access, there would be a lot more havoc. I think it boils down to an alarming misleading statement:
“hidden code searches their computer for installed software”
That should be impossible. According to your browsergate link, it says Linkedin is doing recon on other extensions. But the above statement reads as if they are accessing the local hard drive. They took some liberties in trying to sensationalize the story, it seems, as extensions are technically “installed software”.
It’s still shitty that Microsoft is abusing every possible mechanism and interesting to know how much they can grab by pushing the limits of the sandbox. Kind of like how eBay’s JS sniffs for open ports on your LAN and feeds that back to eBay. I’m not sure why Chromium differs from FF in this regard though. Are FF users really spared from the snooping?
I cannot help but blame victims to some extent. The pushover masses are foolish and unethical enough to engage with Microsoft and it’s hard to muster up some sympathy for them. No one who gives a shit about privacy uses Linkedin anyway.
Still, it’s good to raise awareness about Linkedin. For me it serves as more ammunition when fighting an administration who uses Microsoft services and subjects me to MS snooping involuntarily.
Silent downvotes really expose how poorly we communicate in the free world of the fedi.
libretechni.ca would be a better instance for a “Stop Tech” community to be hosted because downvotes are disabled.
Anyway, I can’t do Youtube so I appreciate the transcript. From there, this triggers cognitive dissonance for me. On the one hand, #fuckcars. Cars should not be used in the city in the first place. OTOH, it’s shitty that people are being pushed to buy new cars, effectively, and their old cars are being shipped to Africa where they continue to emit CO₂ anyway.
Yikes. The link is long enough that the audio could have been encoded in the link. Then the link yields a 403. If I splice that link onto the onion host, it gives 500 internal server error.
Youtube is always a shitshow.
Anyway, I can only see headlines and metadata and have no idea why this is posted to stoptech.
It should, because it should improve in enshitification that visitors experience. There could be a door to enter a room that refuses to open unless you solve a CAPTCHA.
There is in fact a real world similar case. I went to visit a law office which was on the 5th floor of a building. I had to pass through a security desk in a lobby first. The security staff said all visitors must register first. They pointed to a touch screen. The interview process on the touch screen demanded an email address which was a required field. The guard said entering an email address is mandatory. So people without an email address are unable to physically meet the lawyers in person (which is what offline people often do).
If anti-consumer dynamic pricing is in play with medicine, as you suggest, the shenanigans should be controlled independant of whether the tags are electronic.
To properly cover the enshitification topic it needs to be a “mega museum” covering thousands of square meters. There is almost no limit to the quantity of exhibits.
Real estate is the only cost that would be hard to control. The products that fill the space would be infinitely vast and could all come from donations by their angry owners.
An exhibit with samples to taste is the kind of exhibit that’s less forgettable and has more impact.
The walls could be covered with pics like Snickers bars.. and levels of heat peppers measure up to showing whatever standard heat scale is prevailing.
Things in museums have to be astonishingly on the nose for the average person to get it. How would you convey through glass that one pepper is hotter?
I’m not sure why you think exhibits must be in glass. If you tour a beer brewery, there is sometimes a box of hops for visitors to try.
Also if someone likes mild peppers they think “well this suits me, it’s not all bad.”
Not everyone has to react to all forms of enshitification. They should experience enough enshitified instances in the museum to walk away feeling enlightened.
It’s a good start but a bit trickier. I guess we also need to ban personalized pricing. If the shop is empty and someone approaches, we would not want the prices to update for that person just before they enter. Also, the price of allergy meds could still jump up just before they open the shop on a day with a high pollen count.
Yes indeed. Would be good to have a jalepeño pepper exhibit exposing the conspiracy. That is, they used to be hot, but it turns out the biggest consumer of jalepeños are food suppliers who are canning. They want all jalepeños to be consistenly predictably mild, so they can just add chili oil to precisely control whether their salsa is “hot”, “medium”, or “mild”. Since individuals are such a small fraction of their market, they just get marginalised. This is based on research done by someone at UNM who wanted to find out why jalepeños have gotten so weak on a widespread scale. An exhibition could have samples of today’s peppers next to that which could come from some small farmer trying to maintain the old breeds of seeds.
From the article, it’s interesting that some U.S. states have banned the e-pricetags:
Maryland banned surveillance pricing in April
Connecticut signed a ban into law in June
New Jersey signed a ban into law in July
Europe is not on the ball AFAIK.
The one good thing about these electronic tags --you would expect-- would be accurate prices. But I’ve already discovered cases where the cash register price differed from the shelf price. I took the cashier back to the price, and the shelf price was still different (thus it was not a case of the price changing after I grabbed the item.. it was in fact a database inconsistency). I have also seen cases where the price per unit wildly differed from reality, which is contrary to what you would expect if everything is electronic.
I would agree if the menu has somewhat unique options and the food is decent. Otherwise if it’s just another average dime-a-dozen burger, gyro, pancake, or taco shop with nothing original, I’d say sink or swim, hands off.. it won’t really be missed if it sinks.
What community are you talking about? thebrainbin.org is kbin or mbin (hence the name), and lemmy.cafe is lemmy (also reflected in the hostname). I don’t see any piefed variants.
Lemmy software is older and more stable than m/kbin. I am surprised at how many bugs litter Lemmy considering its age, but it’s still more usable than m/kbin.
I recall a grocery store in the US having a store policy to give double the difference on price errors and double the refund on returns of expired or spoiled food. It was not law AFAICT but just a competitive voluntary policy.
That’s abusive. How did the German courts get so pro-corporate bent against human beings? I know right-wing conservatives have taken power in Germany as xenophobia is pegged to the max, but the courts should be more stable. More reasonable. It’s obviously absurd to say a price tag is not an offer but a suggested price to solicit an offer.
This perversion somewhat creates a bit of justification for shoplifting in Germany.
The actual legal construct is that you offer a notebook and then say “I suggest you offer me 80€ for this laptop”. I do it, but at this point, only I have agreed to the trade. You are still free to decline and ask a higher price.
Certainly that is possible for a seller to structure a transaction that way with careful word choices, but surely that is not how a court would view a price tag on a product that is for sale in a store. I do not approach the cash register and make an offer. It’s non-verbal. I put the product in front of the cashier and say nothing. Why? Because the offer was already made. I am merely accepting.
If you were a grocery shop owner, you would not want customers making offers. Imagine people showing up to the conveyor belt with a list of quoted prices making different offers for each item. The time consumption and error proneness of it would alone cost you a lot of money.
The chatbot thing is the same. Flix offered a ride through their bot, and the other side offered nothing. Since both agreed, the trade became valid. The court didn’t rule in the customer’s favor because this was unlawfully advertised, but because both parties agreed to a trade they negotiated.
You seem confused. The court did rule in the customer’s favor in the Canadian airline case -- and rightfully so. Flix has a popup that attempts to flip such decisions in advance. It remains a question whether that trick would actually work the way Flixbus lawyers hope it will. But they can only do so much.
From where I sit it’s a basic violation of contract law. Suppose I offer you a laptop for €80. You accept. Then I say “actually, I change my mind.. I didn’t mean to make the price so low”. In the US (and probably many countries), the contract is legally binding.
If I offer you a laptop for €80 and you stand there and ponder whether you want to accept, and then I say “actually, I change my mind” before you accept, that’s legal. An offer can always be retracted before it is accepted. But once it is accepted, both parties are committed and only a mutual agreement to nullify can reverse it.
So I must say I would be afraid to engage in contracts in Germany given that offers can apparently be retracted after they are accepted.
Also this was about the price tag in stores, not advertisements
It’s the same thing. A price tag is an advertisement in its simplest form. It is also an offer. I’m a bit baffled that Germany can deviate so strangely being in the EU. It sounds like honest mistakes don’t have a specific protection, IIUC it’s just the absence of a prohibition that makes them feasible. But how can contract law miss this? There will probably be many more price mistakes (and “mistakes”) as more and more shops adopt dynamic price tags for various shenanigans.
There will be a lot more offer mistakes by robots in the future. The states under right-wing control will side with the corporations and give them immunity to promises made by bots. Liberal controlled states will force corps to honor promises made by bots.
You might be interested in this past thread involving Flixbus:
Admin found on mastodon, it seems: @Markus@oldbytes.space
For me it is shocking because JavaScript running in a browser environment does not have access to the local filesystem. It can create cookies, but then it can only access its own cookies, not even other cookies of other sites. In principle.
This is why there is a resistance to the push of every business peddling a smartphone app -- because normal non-js apps (typically Java not JavaScript) can access the local file system and snoop on other processes. If JavaScript-based web apps had the same access, there would be a lot more havoc. I think it boils down to an alarming misleading statement:
“hidden code searches their computer for installed software”
That should be impossible. According to your browsergate link, it says Linkedin is doing recon on other extensions. But the above statement reads as if they are accessing the local hard drive. They took some liberties in trying to sensationalize the story, it seems, as extensions are technically “installed software”.
It’s still shitty that Microsoft is abusing every possible mechanism and interesting to know how much they can grab by pushing the limits of the sandbox. Kind of like how eBay’s JS sniffs for open ports on your LAN and feeds that back to eBay. I’m not sure why Chromium differs from FF in this regard though. Are FF users really spared from the snooping?
I cannot help but blame victims to some extent. The pushover masses are foolish and unethical enough to engage with Microsoft and it’s hard to muster up some sympathy for them. No one who gives a shit about privacy uses Linkedin anyway.
Still, it’s good to raise awareness about Linkedin. For me it serves as more ammunition when fighting an administration who uses Microsoft services and subjects me to MS snooping involuntarily.
Silent downvotes really expose how poorly we communicate in the free world of the fedi. libretechni.ca would be a better instance for a “Stop Tech” community to be hosted because downvotes are disabled.
Anyway, I can’t do Youtube so I appreciate the transcript. From there, this triggers cognitive dissonance for me. On the one hand, #fuckcars. Cars should not be used in the city in the first place. OTOH, it’s shitty that people are being pushed to buy new cars, effectively, and their old cars are being shipped to Africa where they continue to emit CO₂ anyway.
I was rightfully redirected to a non-google host thanks to a plugin:
http://inv.nadekonw7plitnjuawu6ytjsl7jlglk2t6pyq6eftptmiv3dvqndwvyd.onion/watch?__goaway_challenge=js-refresh&__goaway_id=a873bd3c8739af37d39ca5b584063287&__goaway_referer=http%3A%2F%2Finv.nadekonw7plitnjuawu6ytjsl7jlglk2t6pyq6eftptmiv3dvqndwvyd.onion%2F&local=true&quality=medium&v=WxLvlU0avgg
But it only offers audio. I tried to download the audio and got redirected to this link:
https://inv-us2.nadeko.net/companion/videoplayback?expire=1789474558&ei=nuKoaqWpMt7c2_gPwLClgAg&id=o-AElhuDGLqhIvkdYWB10T24mt4tX6pwPJQaiiKZsQrM8s&itag=249&source=youtube&requiressl=yes&xpc=EgVo2aDSNQ%3D%3D&cps=229&met=1789452958%2C&mh=IK&mm=31%2C26&mn=sn-q4fl6nd7%2Csn-ojvgq5-cv&ms=au%2Conr&mv=m&mvi=3&pl=24&rms=au%2Cau&initcwndbps=3531250&bui=AR3QkAkoShXUp9xynmChcFxhej9Gta4XZOQUzqV35rrlwcs5NKRfhokdWZ5whzwo5SYxaW-X138dXiKS&spc=I-rgIQghtWEZG2KUox2ss2pJphPXk3IZpMvvQDocopd6kGKqoml5PoyTyhD_S_lAG4c&vprv=1&svpuc=1&xtags=acont%3Doriginal%3Adrc%3D1%3Alang%3Den-US&mime=audio%2Fwebm&ns=7iQs616b1XTb0eXx00AgOEcY&rqh=1&gir=yes&clen=1221443&dur=195.281&lmt=1788996086426110&mt=1789452521&fvip=1&keepalive=yes&fexp=51565116&c=TVHTML5_SIMPLY&sefc=1&txp=5318224&n=w2YkNddwk6qIwQ&sparams=expire%2Cei%2Cip%2Cid%2Citag%2Csource%2Crequiressl%2Cxpc%2Cbui%2Cspc%2Cvprv%2Csvpuc%2Cxtags%2Cmime%2Cns%2Crqh%2Cgir%2Cclen%2Cdur%2Clmt&sig=AE0s2JYwRgIhALqcNyFWU9PitbsZFcHDl9CNV7124GBcHLY4wWiFrWi4AiEApKPNk2UdnhGls0o9Gt5dDWRb57svCi4aPRF7CMJOmQc%3D&lsparams=cps%2Cmet%2Cmh%2Cmm%2Cmn%2Cms%2Cmv%2Cmvi%2Cpl%2Crms%2Cinitcwndbps&lsig=APaTxxMwRgIhAICCa_tCqGfZOaI841vUbK8Tu9wiD3GdGyf-w-bHnL92AiEAimoSOH-fcagpOpbxGLhuY7e_7Q-YeFB1rsoSQkBLexY%3D&cver=1.0&alr=no&host=rr3---sn-q4fl6nd7.googlevideo.com&enc=true&data=gONzLkQBQvDsJA1Lvxr00A1YLocWU8wQl%2BVuWZpHL5oypfXpZqesDaugH%2FE8C2n96%2F8qQOCo56I9v5A0QoNISuHp9%2B935i0hYxAMwPYjJWzNgbye%2BA8%2BX5v%2FywLtNUI3HFKKcppv5KFAfbS9LRGT%2FSaZW5f%2Fk4AzaiUzOhTOsTzKEbSKBohpdaX3IWMO00z5%2FZx3pvyRD%2BHdmaYvYkeSqC4NgobMWNCZqEfxEpk2oQhJZK0tUpv8m1Miie4jF9iH90R30e18EG6y1CYipjvKiQdfZw%2BzOBa1w98y1U1e91hh1zFpYbjPg5xJjFj1tuv3HZsW7Z2%2BdsLFCCY3QGYFvxIywlaoWrJl%2FjGSXE0WbDJ%2BJjvb8jXzmNeukK2AjjDGRiEPVkIJW2d4GPxUCGWhQAcX7t3DEb1roen%2Blq%2FaxWaewZWiwJLyXgFVFCB95YLT3nElorGW4iG0weCV8vyfyvUus%2F1rxkEXea02wobZ6GpPMeS5EEwLPGzspp%2BGFa59iLLeK1zXM%2FN0gyOd98B9KNpD%2FF5HYqqptkoCe2J4j%2Bm6KRdEiqc%2F4eNVcV5RFHdl9Hfy8gwt9mP%2By4EfvnmIw3LlnTbc7YRjv8Nymz0lPVbrhYbgG7VM2l%2BS3F57O5%2BVSefhDlQmaPRTOknXIcguqVE3Hu85r4iLH%2B4SUaXHsfryZO8s%2F7wJyKc4W7Ic1DN23lfKLkYI9kAhFfk23ZHHFq1XFKPy7JohfEKLvSpGPc9zwDCYG09X4cL20oTe96SAbdC2jFS0kuVETuhnd7cqi6XLUUMp1xLmyfxTW69BoJ1soXdRkJblDfJ9Eo7JBJgP0aHiCypJPTtgpVqLDrFxw0zv4%2B%2Bfy5enDKv80KI7ihO6TzG3qhVylzstC3beGMQ4vfPaosNBSEw3ZetEDu%2B8LQYzH7fk84wWZWYYxQykhD%2F5JnJdz65%2BAFbPJ6nhbXnOLAbgSUX429QSwZNpp9%2FE9RfiyElQgy%2F%2FlNGHpGnvvEkOKYD08m60n3mlXK0TEVqCgk0pWxhGnj7CmXxRkHSDap%2B3eh%2F6QR7lSlI3kpO%2FWaLsYkGJ%2FfPoMYyPjvtnZMt8JhVNjaicZCjIwuKmWU7E8vn0GHcMj%2FmFVWkfU0N06ugQosBMuh1YkkRc37KkBp70aj8LxzQIFFO0IZFlqmBtjRRrlTej6s7dEloyX0kAKS85Tu2HbSdfIADlfXtIPV%2BpIhtGMcrbeWRU47Tk3VWNqZ%2B912h3Uz8OdsNSYzNmmqvuAHBA32%2F1QtLSqwdH0i%2FvhNzMt6Ewq4Bhdc4sKDshPw%2FoXMVKku%2FXsrcSAWQs%2BWnsffOcT7oaoXloY6ekUD2Q%2FNPw3i27vuMXvCRIJqoSyA%3D%3D&title=Columbus+school+board+seeks+%2450M+more+in+cuts%2C+orders+plan+by+Dec.+31-WxLvlU0avgg.webm
Yikes. The link is long enough that the audio could have been encoded in the link. Then the link yields a 403. If I splice that link onto the onion host, it gives 500 internal server error.
Youtube is always a shitshow.
Anyway, I can only see headlines and metadata and have no idea why this is posted to stoptech.
Not sure what you mean by built-in system. Is that like a whole house installation?
It should, because it should improve in enshitification that visitors experience. There could be a door to enter a room that refuses to open unless you solve a CAPTCHA.
There is in fact a real world similar case. I went to visit a law office which was on the 5th floor of a building. I had to pass through a security desk in a lobby first. The security staff said all visitors must register first. They pointed to a touch screen. The interview process on the touch screen demanded an email address which was a required field. The guard said entering an email address is mandatory. So people without an email address are unable to physically meet the lawyers in person (which is what offline people often do).
Yeah, rotating sounds good. If several big cities have their own museum, the shit can rotate between them.
If anti-consumer dynamic pricing is in play with medicine, as you suggest, the shenanigans should be controlled independant of whether the tags are electronic.
To properly cover the enshitification topic it needs to be a “mega museum” covering thousands of square meters. There is almost no limit to the quantity of exhibits.
Real estate is the only cost that would be hard to control. The products that fill the space would be infinitely vast and could all come from donations by their angry owners.
An exhibit with samples to taste is the kind of exhibit that’s less forgettable and has more impact.
The walls could be covered with pics like Snickers bars.. and levels of heat peppers measure up to showing whatever standard heat scale is prevailing.
I’m not sure why you think exhibits must be in glass. If you tour a beer brewery, there is sometimes a box of hops for visitors to try.
Not everyone has to react to all forms of enshitification. They should experience enough enshitified instances in the museum to walk away feeling enlightened.
It’s a good start but a bit trickier. I guess we also need to ban personalized pricing. If the shop is empty and someone approaches, we would not want the prices to update for that person just before they enter. Also, the price of allergy meds could still jump up just before they open the shop on a day with a high pollen count.
I agree, but exceptionally I also agree with RMS who said something like “all corporations are psychopathic”.
Yes indeed. Would be good to have a jalepeño pepper exhibit exposing the conspiracy. That is, they used to be hot, but it turns out the biggest consumer of jalepeños are food suppliers who are canning. They want all jalepeños to be consistenly predictably mild, so they can just add chili oil to precisely control whether their salsa is “hot”, “medium”, or “mild”. Since individuals are such a small fraction of their market, they just get marginalised. This is based on research done by someone at UNM who wanted to find out why jalepeños have gotten so weak on a widespread scale. An exhibition could have samples of today’s peppers next to that which could come from some small farmer trying to maintain the old breeds of seeds.
If you don’t like what the price tags show, just change them yourself using an app.
From the article, it’s interesting that some U.S. states have banned the e-pricetags:
Europe is not on the ball AFAIK.
The one good thing about these electronic tags --you would expect-- would be accurate prices. But I’ve already discovered cases where the cash register price differed from the shelf price. I took the cashier back to the price, and the shelf price was still different (thus it was not a case of the price changing after I grabbed the item.. it was in fact a database inconsistency). I have also seen cases where the price per unit wildly differed from reality, which is contrary to what you would expect if everything is electronic.
I would agree if the menu has somewhat unique options and the food is decent. Otherwise if it’s just another average dime-a-dozen burger, gyro, pancake, or taco shop with nothing original, I’d say sink or swim, hands off.. it won’t really be missed if it sinks.
What community are you talking about? thebrainbin.org is kbin or mbin (hence the name), and lemmy.cafe is lemmy (also reflected in the hostname). I don’t see any piefed variants.
Lemmy software is older and more stable than m/kbin. I am surprised at how many bugs litter Lemmy considering its age, but it’s still more usable than m/kbin.
I recall a grocery store in the US having a store policy to give double the difference on price errors and double the refund on returns of expired or spoiled food. It was not law AFAICT but just a competitive voluntary policy.
That’s abusive. How did the German courts get so pro-corporate bent against human beings? I know right-wing conservatives have taken power in Germany as xenophobia is pegged to the max, but the courts should be more stable. More reasonable. It’s obviously absurd to say a price tag is not an offer but a suggested price to solicit an offer.
This perversion somewhat creates a bit of justification for shoplifting in Germany.
Certainly that is possible for a seller to structure a transaction that way with careful word choices, but surely that is not how a court would view a price tag on a product that is for sale in a store. I do not approach the cash register and make an offer. It’s non-verbal. I put the product in front of the cashier and say nothing. Why? Because the offer was already made. I am merely accepting.
If you were a grocery shop owner, you would not want customers making offers. Imagine people showing up to the conveyor belt with a list of quoted prices making different offers for each item. The time consumption and error proneness of it would alone cost you a lot of money.
You seem confused. The court did rule in the customer’s favor in the Canadian airline case -- and rightfully so. Flix has a popup that attempts to flip such decisions in advance. It remains a question whether that trick would actually work the way Flixbus lawyers hope it will. But they can only do so much.
From where I sit it’s a basic violation of contract law. Suppose I offer you a laptop for €80. You accept. Then I say “actually, I change my mind.. I didn’t mean to make the price so low”. In the US (and probably many countries), the contract is legally binding.
If I offer you a laptop for €80 and you stand there and ponder whether you want to accept, and then I say “actually, I change my mind” before you accept, that’s legal. An offer can always be retracted before it is accepted. But once it is accepted, both parties are committed and only a mutual agreement to nullify can reverse it.
So I must say I would be afraid to engage in contracts in Germany given that offers can apparently be retracted after they are accepted.
It’s the same thing. A price tag is an advertisement in its simplest form. It is also an offer. I’m a bit baffled that Germany can deviate so strangely being in the EU. It sounds like honest mistakes don’t have a specific protection, IIUC it’s just the absence of a prohibition that makes them feasible. But how can contract law miss this? There will probably be many more price mistakes (and “mistakes”) as more and more shops adopt dynamic price tags for various shenanigans.
There will be a lot more offer mistakes by robots in the future. The states under right-wing control will side with the corporations and give them immunity to promises made by bots. Liberal controlled states will force corps to honor promises made by bots.
You might be interested in this past thread involving Flixbus:
https://slrpnk.net/post/27072322