Yea generally in relation to the fediverse. Obviously not the whole of the Fedi, but there’s a lot of acceptance and embrace, notably from major masto instance admins, CEOs and AP authors.
Generally I’m presuming that threads is sucking up lots of people who are alt-social curious. They may have just drifted to doom scrolling there.
Seems to be affecting BlueSky too. Plenty of Brazilians joined, but I’d bet plenty more joined threads.
And I’m not sure it’s spoken about enough. With Threads, big-social just artificially segregated the market (is musk/Zuck really a choice?) and are sucking the oxygen out of alt-social.
Yea interesting. My personal take is that these boundaries are mostly artificial and come from for-profit big-social platforms building walled gardens.
Personally, for the fediverse, I'd throw away "reddit", "twitter" etc and start again from fundamentals. Links, text, images, comments, replies, threading ... etc.
I also believe the separation between lemmy and mastodon has hurt the fediverse and it'd be a better, nicer and even bigger place if there were decent interop.
Yea ... it seems that things like this are part of Julia's problem ...
that for many the "two language problem" is actually the "two language solution" that's working just fine and as intended, or as you say, well enough to make an ecosystem jump seem too costly.
Yea I remember reading about some deeper issues with the language (Dan Luu was quite dark on it I think) and that more or less turned me off. At the time I would have had to have been amongst some dedicated users urging me on to consider adoption.
Problem with that logic is that python was essentially "reborn" at some point 2010-2012.
That's when scipy, pandas and notebooks all came together, and with early pandas putting python on the map more than some (cough - Guido - cough) are willing to admit.
Of course the maturity of the ecosystem by then is part of it ... but also pushing through the python 3 situation wasn't trivial and likely speaks to the momentum the science stack brought to the ecosystem.
I understood ... I was reaching for some shorthand (500 char limits FTW!)
There's probably a good amount of work that exists somewhere between your needs and "could be a spreadsheet", where caring about performance isn't an issue or hasn't surfaced yet, either practically or culturally (where the boundaries of what research *can* be done "tomorrow" are of importance)
I'd suppose part of the problem might be that there's a somewhat hidden 3rd category of user that "feels" whatever added complexity there is in a two-language lang like julialang and has no real need for performant "product" code.
And that lack of adoption amongst this cohort and your first enforces lang separation.
I may be off base with whether there's a usability trade off, but I'd bet there's at least the perception of one.
> Maybe nobody (save for the Julia developers) ever cared about the "two language problem"
Yea, it’s what prompted my post. I saw in a rust forum push back on the two language thing but from the lower level side (where they were arguing about introducing lazier memory management facilities on the basis that you should just use swift/Python etc).
And re MATLAB … absolutely! This is not a diss against Julia at all.
Yea. The basic idea feels like something that's kinda been forgotten in the wake of big-social's long dominance and vanilla-ification of online activity.
I even once asked the dev of a popular mastodon app who was expressing interesting in making a lemmy app too ... "why not just add lemmy compatibility to the mastodon app".
Their response was that they couldn't see what that would look like or how it would work.
It's all just text messages ... I don't think this is hard!
Personally, I'm there with you I think. I only use default web-UIs on all fediverse platforms I've used, and advocate for that.
But should multi-protocol systems and multi-platform clients become normalised, I think this goes beyond "to app or not to app". What I'm talking about could likely just be a web-app.
The issue is more around aggregation and creating something "greater than the sum of its parts" out of open alt-social.
@fediverse
Probably not original at all. But I suspect there's something to framing it around "improving the quality of internet discourse" through the emergent dynamics of a federation ... especially in comparison to monolithic big-social.
It also repositions the internet as a broader resource to be used effectively.
And instills independent and contentiously incompatible instances along with widely connected federation as desirable positives for social media and the internet in general.
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A tricky part here is that the community still needs to be followed at least once on your instance for the content to come through. *I think*
So if a community isn't coming through, I'd recommend these steps:
* Search for the community and follow it like any other user.
* Add it to a specific/bespoke list, then remove that list from home (a setting available on each list). This removes "the firehose" from your home feed.
* Follow the corresponding tag as you would any other
@BeAware@social.beaware.live
Yea generally in relation to the fediverse. Obviously not the whole of the Fedi, but there’s a lot of acceptance and embrace, notably from major masto instance admins, CEOs and AP authors.
@BeAware@social.beaware.live
Generally I’m presuming that threads is sucking up lots of people who are alt-social curious. They may have just drifted to doom scrolling there.
Seems to be affecting BlueSky too. Plenty of Brazilians joined, but I’d bet plenty more joined threads.
And I’m not sure it’s spoken about enough. With Threads, big-social just artificially segregated the market (is musk/Zuck really a choice?) and are sucking the oxygen out of alt-social.
It’s imo THE issue with the threads embrace.
@reddig33@lemmy.world
Yea interesting. My personal take is that these boundaries are mostly artificial and come from for-profit big-social platforms building walled gardens.
Personally, for the fediverse, I'd throw away "reddit", "twitter" etc and start again from fundamentals. Links, text, images, comments, replies, threading ... etc.
I also believe the separation between lemmy and mastodon has hurt the fediverse and it'd be a better, nicer and even bigger place if there were decent interop.
@eldereko
> he plugins are still very few compared to other mature editors. also, it’s not quite as configurable as Sublime
AFAIU, it doesn't have a plugin runtime, which is fairly glaring to me (but maybe not for devs these days).
This is what triggered my "is it hype" thought, as I've seen people say it does but it's in rust or something.
And I feel like many fail to realise how hard it is to build a new editor with everything we take for granted these days.
Fediverse & typst similarly.
@programming
I get that peeps are coming from VSCode and I support competition with MS’s EEE of software dev.
But, like, bloat and corporate capture were always the trade offs with VSCode … you all knew that right?
I get that peeps are coming from VSCode and I support competition with MS’s EEE of software dev.
But, like, bloat and corporate capture were always the trade offs with VSCode … you all knew that right?
@simpleguy @fediverse
Unfortunately it’s unlikely to come soon as mastodon is a while away from implementing groups and are doing it their own incompatible way.
This tag process works though and I’m happy the lemmy devs implemented it.
Spread the word.
@simpleguy @fediverse
I don’t believe so. I’m pretty sure I’ve checked it, but I could be wrong.
It makes sense though as hashtags are a different mechanism from follows and boosts.
You could do a quick test with the test community and the test hashtag.
@hrefna @tschenkel @astrojuanlu @programming
Yea ... it seems that things like this are part of Julia's problem ...
that for many the "two language problem" is actually the "two language solution" that's working just fine and as intended, or as you say, well enough to make an ecosystem jump seem too costly.
@FizzyOrange
Yea I remember reading about some deeper issues with the language (Dan Luu was quite dark on it I think) and that more or less turned me off. At the time I would have had to have been amongst some dedicated users urging me on to consider adoption.
@festus
In general, how much more performant would you say Rust is or can be than Julia? Any good resources on this?
What's interesting about this take is that it targets the whole "two language" thing and implies that it might be a fool's errand.
@mvirts
Problem with that logic is that python was essentially "reborn" at some point 2010-2012.
That's when scipy, pandas and notebooks all came together, and with early pandas putting python on the map more than some (cough - Guido - cough) are willing to admit.
Of course the maturity of the ecosystem by then is part of it ... but also pushing through the python 3 situation wasn't trivial and likely speaks to the momentum the science stack brought to the ecosystem.
@tschenkel @astrojuanlu @programming
I understood ... I was reaching for some shorthand (500 char limits FTW!)
There's probably a good amount of work that exists somewhere between your needs and "could be a spreadsheet", where caring about performance isn't an issue or hasn't surfaced yet, either practically or culturally (where the boundaries of what research *can* be done "tomorrow" are of importance)
BTW, cheers for all the info!!
@tschenkel @astrojuanlu @programming
I'd suppose part of the problem might be that there's a somewhat hidden 3rd category of user that "feels" whatever added complexity there is in a two-language lang like julialang and has no real need for performant "product" code.
And that lack of adoption amongst this cohort and your first enforces lang separation.
I may be off base with whether there's a usability trade off, but I'd bet there's at least the perception of one.
@astrojuanlu @programming
> Maybe nobody (save for the Julia developers) ever cared about the "two language problem"
Yea, it’s what prompted my post. I saw in a rust forum push back on the two language thing but from the lower level side (where they were arguing about introducing lazier memory management facilities on the basis that you should just use swift/Python etc).
And re MATLAB … absolutely! This is not a diss against Julia at all.
@electricprism
Yea. The basic idea feels like something that's kinda been forgotten in the wake of big-social's long dominance and vanilla-ification of online activity.
I even once asked the dev of a popular mastodon app who was expressing interesting in making a lemmy app too ... "why not just add lemmy compatibility to the mastodon app".
Their response was that they couldn't see what that would look like or how it would work.
It's all just text messages ... I don't think this is hard!
@aaaa
A useful lens I find is whether a social media system is good at creating, facilitating and hosting genuine communities.
Alt-social right now is struggling with this I think and, IMO, has plenty of room to grow in this regard.
The difficulty though is that it requires more features in our platforms, some likely non-trivial. That's a big ask for an open non-profit ecosystem.
An effective means of aggregating multiple parts into a unified view could alleviate this.
@aaaa
Personally, I'm there with you I think. I only use default web-UIs on all fediverse platforms I've used, and advocate for that.
But should multi-protocol systems and multi-platform clients become normalised, I think this goes beyond "to app or not to app". What I'm talking about could likely just be a web-app.
The issue is more around aggregation and creating something "greater than the sum of its parts" out of open alt-social.
@fediverse
Probably not original at all. But I suspect there's something to framing it around "improving the quality of internet discourse" through the emergent dynamics of a federation ... especially in comparison to monolithic big-social.
It also repositions the internet as a broader resource to be used effectively.
And instills independent and contentiously incompatible instances along with widely connected federation as desirable positives for social media and the internet in general.
2/2
@fediverse
A tricky part here is that the community still needs to be followed at least once on your instance for the content to come through. *I think*
So if a community isn't coming through, I'd recommend these steps:
* Search for the community and follow it like any other user.
* Add it to a specific/bespoke list, then remove that list from home (a setting available on each list). This removes "the firehose" from your home feed.
* Follow the corresponding tag as you would any other
2/2