Mozilla released a Firefox Nightly test build with vertical tabs - gHacks Tech News
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https://www.ghacks.net/2024/04/02/mozilla-released-a-firefox-nightly-test-build-with-vertical-tabs/
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savvywolf@pawb.social · 79 pts · 2y
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KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml · 37 pts · 2y
UX is a very subjective matter.
ZugZug@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2y
Yo fuck it. This comment saved my life.
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KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml · 47 pts · 2y
Justly0250@lemdro.id · 4 pts · 2y
Isn't Firefox open source? So isn't it possible that anyone could see the changes being made even in the nightly versions? I'm not a programmer so forgive my ignorance.
BreakDecks@lemmy.ml · 34 pts · 2y
I use Edge on my work computer since I can log into it with enterprise SSO and store my passwords and bookmarks to my work account. Not ideal, but I don't do anything personal on my work computer because I already have zero expectation of privacy on it anyway.
Vertical Tabs are an absolute game-changer, especially combined with tab groups. I can actually juggle hundreds of tabs in a single browser window without issue. It's the only thing I can say that Edge got right.
I've been waiting for this development for a long time. I can't wait to have this functionality on my personal computer, on a privacy-respecting FOSS browser no less. The extensions currently available for this are just not that great, it has to be a native feature.
Shareni@programming.dev · 19 pts · 2y
Ff with sidebery is pretty amazing. Although, it's annoying you need to add a CSS file to disable regular tabs.
Dirk@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 2y
I have a CSS file anyways to make look the giant buttons like actual tabs.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 2y
Hundreds? Why? I never have more than like ten, and each time I open my browser I start with none
greybeard@lemmy.one · 7 pts · 2y
Not the person you replied to, but I can help with an example:
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 2y
Fair points, though what advantage does keeping unloaded tabs serve over using bookmarks?
pop@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 2y
So like astroturfing?
greybeard@lemmy.one · 1 pts · 2y
Not at all. Just managing clients stuff on portals that don't allow for delegated access to a single account.
Jumuta@sh.itjust.works · 34 pts · 2y
i wish they'd include vertical tabs and oneline navbar in settings rather than making the users edit userchrome. userchrome is really fun but it'd be much more accessible if it was on settings.
kratoz29@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 2y
It is not fun for me when the most beautiful themes are meant to be used on Linux or Windows and the Window buttons are all messed up for macOS (or won't even show up), you can't literally be without those window buttons on macOS because you can't maximize FF from the dock as any sane dock or taskbar.
Jumuta@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2y
Yeah, this was annoying for me in kde. I just make my own themes now so this isn't much of an issue though
kratoz29@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 2y
I'd like to understand and have the patience of learning about CSS theming :D
MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 2y
Alright, now do bifurcating diagonal tabs.
Threeme2189@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 2y
Sinusoidal wave tabs are clearly the only way to tab.
Yttra@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 2y
Never saw the appeal in vertical tabs, but maybe Edge or FF extensions just don't do them well enough... Good for Mozilla though, I guess
nik282000@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 2y
For 16:9 (ish) displays you have more pixels left to right than up and down, it makes sense to use up your horizontal space first when placing permanent UI elements on your screen. Still up to preference though.
hangukdise@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 2y
Agree... Too much screen real estate horizontally, not enough vertically
Dirk@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 2y
Especially with the gigantic tab buttons the browser uses by default even in "compact" mode.
shasta@lemm.ee · 0 pts · 2y
The real crime here is the death of full screen monitors. Full screen just works so well for Internet browsing and programming. The switch to widescreen became common because games and movies were becoming more widescreen and that caused them to look smaller on full screen monitors. These days, the problem can be solved by getting extra large full screen monitors. Back then, that was not financially feasible.
nik282000@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 2y
God damn, what I wouldn't give to have a 4k 4:3 CRT.
Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi · 21 pts · 2y
Those screenshots look really nice, ngl, hoping this goes through. Edge and Vivaldi have had their own vertical tab implementations for a while now, and there are Firefox forks that show it can be done. No reason for base Firefox not to have it at this point.
While I'm here, Mozilla bring back compact spacing, plz k thx.
Edit: Just tried it, it's got that nightly jank but it's promising. I hope Mozilla continues with this. It looks and feels great.
tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net · 11 pts · 2y
My goodness yes, having to enable it in developer settings every time so annoying.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 2y
Literally the only thing I wanted!! š
CsXGF8uzUAOh6fqV@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 2y
I completely hid my tabs with custom css and I'll never go back. With something like vimium-c you can switch tabs with vim-like bindings and an fzf-like menu. If you have lots of tabs, the fzf way is way faster to pick out a specific tab than it is to look for it in a tab row (or column). If you have few tabs, you don't even need to see them to know where they are. I'm being very serious. Tabs are bloat. I recommend trying it out if it is something for you.
(edit) On top of that, it looks so clean. You get a bit more space for the actual content (I also hide my url bar, it pops up when you use it). It fits right in with a keyboard focus workflow, you get consistent keybindings across vim and your browser (I use the same keybinds for switching buffers in vim so it feels the same).
0x0@social.rocketsfall.net · 4 pts · 2y
Downvotes with no replies explaining why? This is happening a lot.
I use qutebrowser and still show tabs, but this is a very interesting approach. Thanks for the rec.
xkforce@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2y
Pretty sure it was just emacs users instinctively swatting the vim enthusiast.
CsXGF8uzUAOh6fqV@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Qutebrowser is very cool! Personally I want to use firefox's engine (or at least not something chromium based). Otherwise I would have jumped ship to qute or surf already. Currently my only gripe is that the plugin doesn't work on pdf's and other special pages, which is not an issue on qute.
JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
Crazy that you are getting hate for this perfectly reasonable and well-expressed opinion. No counter-arguments, just "muh i no like muh go away".
Apparently this place is not so different from the R-site at all.
imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 2y
congratulats to the people liking them i guess. i personally dont get it, since most languages are written horizontally and i like ux to reflect this structure. such things are subjective though
Womble@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 2y
The counterpoint is since 16:9 became the de facto standard for monitors, vertical resolution is at much more of a premium than horizontal resolution is.
nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de · 10 pts · 2y
Not to mention that most sites will put their main content into a container with a limited width anyway, since overly long lines are awful to read. So unless you're using the browser side-by-side with other content on a low-res monitor it's a net benefit. And even if it's not I usually find the extra vertical space to be worth more, as you said.
imnotfromkaliningrad@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 2y
i get where youre coming from, but imho the eye tends to parse information more effectively if delivered vertically, since it knows it that way from other media. just my personal opinion though.
kratoz29@lemm.ee · -1 pts · 2y
Then why I struggle a lot to navigate through Discord compared with any other messaging app, such as Telegram, don't answer, probably because Discord UI is trash.
onlinepersona@programming.dev · 9 pts · 2y
Try out Tree Style Tabs for an hour. I'm curious how you'll feel about it.
UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 2y
I've been using TST for years and while it can be a bit buggy at times I couldn't imagine going back to the default tab system.
kratoz29@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 2y
This is my main, but I struggle to find a good CSS theme that integrates with this instead of Sidebery.
flubba86@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2y
I think you're missing what's going on. The text is still written left-to-right. You don't need to read the tabs vertically. The tabs are stacked on top of each other in the sidebar instead of lined up along the top of the window.
Molten_Moron@lemmings.world · 8 pts · 2y
I believe their point is that their language is left to right, so it just makes sense to them to have the tabs structure left to right as well.
I happen to share this sentiment, but can understand why some people may like it different.
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee · 14 pts · 2y
anyone else feel like a lot of these firefox updates recently are just them implementing the most popular extensions from firefox 3.6?
Telodzrum@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 2y
anas@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 2y
I migrated from Edge for the last time to avoid Manifest v4, Iāve been missing vertical tabs a lot. Sidebery just didnāt work for me. I really like how this is looking.
Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 2y
Edge mentioned on this sub? Brave.
capital@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2y
No, Edge.
anas@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
Oh I donāt even use Linux lol, this is the first post I found on this news
devfuuu@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Brave mentioned? Edgy.
GunnarGrop@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 2y
My dream would for this to at least have an option for collapsable tree-style tabs. That's what I'm missing the most from the Edge implementation. Even "normal" vertical tabs struggle when you have over a hundred open tabs.
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2y
You can group/collapse in Vivaldi
penquin@lemm.ee · 10 pts · 2y
gl0rb@discuss.tchncs.de · 10 pts · 2y
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 2y
I would love the option of keeping containers in vertical tabs with "page tabs" horizontal. For example; Facebook, Personal, Banking, Work, Incognito, etc containers along the left as vertical tabs, and each one has all the pages in tabs across the top. Vertical tabs only appear after you open more than one type of container.
BlackPenguins@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Workspaces. Vivaldi has this and it's the only reason I use them.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 2y
Is each Workspace isolated like Firefox's container tabs?
BlackPenguins@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Not sure what that means. But you have workspaces that contain various tabs and you can't access a workspace's tabs from another workspace. I have workspaces for recipes, videos, programming, and gaming.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 2y
Shit just got real
RalphFurley@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2y
I was just today trying FF again and discovered vertical tabs was via extension only and holy shit disabling the tabs up top looked like a bit of work. Native vertical tabs and grouping and I'm back. It should just copy the layout that Edge does.
3w0@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 2y
RalphFurley@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Thank you
GunnarGrop@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 2y
Yesss come on! I moved to Edge at my place of work because I can no longer see what I'm doing with horizontal tabs. And we can't use addons in Firefox.
This will land in ESR in three years time and then we'll be rolling...
RandomStickman@kbin.run · 5 pts · 2y
Waterfox beating it to the punch lol
V E R T I C A L S U P R E M A C Y
antihumanitarian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
If you want vertical tabs with the ability to organize them in trees I suggest the Sideberry extension. It legitimately makes me nervous that the functionality would ever go away, it improves my productivity so much.
You can bookmark trees, collapse them, search them, load/unload them manually, I could go on. It makes it easy to organize dozens or hundreds of tabs. I have some trees for emails, news, forums, projects, etc. When I'm done just fold it up: the top tab bar can hide tabs that aren't in the active tree you're using, so you can still navigate the tabs normally.
skeezix@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Sideberry is pathetically ugly. They couldn't even be arsed to use the same font as the rest of the UX. The hierarchy is poorly shown too.
The masterclass in side tabs and tab grouping is with Vivaldi, and, sad to say it but Safari too.
When you combine Vivaldi with the TabRetitle extension, it is unbeatable.
antihumanitarian@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
Have you used it recently? Previous versions I would've agreed, but 5.0 was a huge improvement. If I didn't know, I'd likely have assumed it to be a native feature.
I'll take a look at Vivaldi's approach though, I've heard good things about those features previously.
lud@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 2y
It's also very customizable.
intensely_human@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 2y
And to round out this story, hereās a photo that we think evokes the concept of āverticalā.
bitman09@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 2y
I'm using vertical tabs since 4 years ago and to do so installed Tree Style Tab (https://tinyurl.com/y5gr4dyn)
Also has to disable horizontal tabs create or update the file
chrome/userChrome.csslocated at your profile withand add the setting
toolkit.legacyUserProfileCustomizations.stylesheetswith valuetrue(use about:config)bitman@techhub.social · 1 pts · 2y
@KarnaSubarna also found some interesting style snippets for Firefox š
https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery/wiki/Firefox-Styles-Snippets-(via-userChrome.css)
yo_scottie_oh@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 2y
Wake me up when we have Chrome-style tab groups in FF.
onlinepersona@programming.dev · 4 pts · 2y
I don't get their allure. Why not Tree Style Tabs? You can create "groups" and endless subgroups. Also, no need to scroll horizontally, which takes way longer to find stuff, just scroll vertically or collapse trees.
Tab groups seem inferior to tree style tabs.
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theshatterstone54@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 2y
I'm not sure if it's the same, but floorp has Workspaces which I find very useful
Telodzrum@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
yo_scottie_oh@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 2y
No, I mean Chrome-style tab groups. Existing FF add-ons are okay, but nowhere near as nice as in Chrome.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2y
This feels like something that should be a extension
joyjoy@lemm.ee · 7 pts · 2y
I don't think extensions as they are now will be able to do everything this can do. Specifically modifying the userChrome.css. Yes, there are existing vertical tab extensions, but they just reuse the existing sidebar used for the bookmarks and history. Nothing quite up to the quality that Edge or Vivaldi have.
greybeard@lemmy.one · 4 pts · 2y
I agree that userChrome.css must be modified, but once it is, Firefox is way better for vertical tabs. When you mix in the tree style that is common in the extensions and containers, there is nothing that competes, especially if you work involves managing a large number of accounts for the same few websites, as mine does. It is not uncommon for me to have 10-20 active tabs, and 80+ inactive tabs at any given time. Horizontal tabs can't compete, and the flat nature of the tabs in Edge certainly turn into a mess quickly.
joyjoy@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 2y
So what you're saying is vertical tabs and tab groups are the perfect combination.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2y
Do you use vertical tabs? If so, why?
chrishazfun@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 2y
essell@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 2y
I just spent 3 days learning a basic level of css and messing around in my userchrome and NOW they decide to add it...
KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 2y
Your CSS knowledge is still useful to customise other areas of Firefox UI.
Dirk@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 2y
Useful ... and mandatory!
Corgana@startrek.website · -1 pts · 2y
Coelacanthus@lemmy.kde.social · -2 pts · 2y
It's better to integrate Tree Style Tab addon instead. It's not a good idea to re-implement a function which already has a great implementation...
onlinepersona@programming.dev · -15 pts · 2y
As usual, Mozilla doesn't come up with new things. Only when Floorp and Waterfox start doing stuff do they think "Oh wait, people actually like that? Well, let's kill an extension or fork!".
Tree Style Tabs have existed for years. I guess it took them a while to wake up.
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TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 2y
Christ. If they don't do vertical tabs people act like it's the end of the world and Firefox is a piece of shit browser that deserves to die, and when they do they aren't being original enough!
They can't win. What do you actually want? Diagonal tabs??