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c/news · by fukhueson@lemmy.world · 1y

Russia calls on Israel to withdraw troops from Lebanon

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/russia-calls-israel-withdraw-troops-lebanon-2024-10-01/

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MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 1y

Lead by example.

9point6@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 1y

If Israel could stop actively trying to start world war 3, that'd be nice.

catloaf@lemm.ee · 22 pts · 1y (29 replies)

When even an invader tells you to knock it off, you might be the bad guy.

fukhueson@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 1y (28 replies)

When Russia, Turkey, Hamas, and Iran condemn you, I find little reason to believe their collective arguments.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-turkey-hamas-and-others-blast-israels-killing-of-terror-chief-nasrallah/

Russia also criticized Israel for killing Nasrallah, with a statement from the country’s foreign ministry saying it “decisively condemn[s] the latest political murder carried out by Israel” and “once again insistently urge[s] Israel to immediately cease military action.”

Rich coming from the guy who failed to assassinate Zelensky. This really puts all this into perspective for me.

basmati@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 1y (27 replies)
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yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 1y (1 reply)

none of the countries have killed as many children as Israel

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War

100,000–130,000 civilians killed (Bonner)[21] 80,000–100,000 civilians killed (Human rights groups estimate)[22][23] 30,000–40,000+ civilians killed (RFSSS data)[24] At least 161 civilians killed outside Chechnya[c] 500,000+ civilians displaced[citation needed]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

Estimate total number of casualties: 30,000 civilians dead (25,000 killed and 5,000 missing) according to AI[24] ~80,000 killed in Chechnya (GfbV estimate)[25] More in neighbouring regions 40,000–50,000 civilians killed (Kramer)[26] More than 600 killed during attacks in Russia proper.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War:

11,000+ civilians killed (confirmed)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war

Number of killed civilians by Russian forces: 6861 - 8729+

Add a couple hundred of killed Georgian civilians and you have a range for Russian civilian kills in the last 30 years of:

80,000 - 230,000

If we count genocides perpetrated by Turkish nationalists in the Ottoman Empire and continued by newly founded Turkey we have:

  • 600,000 - 1.5 million Armenian civilians killed
  • 300,000 - 900,000 Greek civilians killed

As to genocides perpetrated solely by the state of Turkey:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dersim_massacre

Turkish Kurdish anthropologist Dilşa Deniz estimates the number of deaths to be between 46.000 to 63.000.[65][66][67][68][69][70][71][72] Historian Hans-Lukas Kieser writes that 40,000 is implausibly high.[73] Historian Annika Törne estimates 32,000 to 70,000 dead as a result of massacres

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zilan_massacre

Deaths: 5,000 - 15,000

Several hundred more Kurdish civilians have been killed in the past few decades by Turkey.

But you're right that in the past few decades Turkey hasn't killed as many Kurdish civilians as Israel has Palestinian civilians. Turkey is "just" commiting cultural genocide right now.

basmati@lemm.ee · -3 pts · 1y
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Steve@communick.news · 4 pts · 1y

That is a tall claim.
Citation needed.

fukhueson@lemmy.world · -27 pts · 1y (23 replies)

Considering Hamas hid behind them (and Palestinian civilians), I wholeheartedly disagree with your opinion.

Sundial@lemm.ee · 13 pts · 1y (5 replies)

It's funny how many times Israel made that excuse only to turn out that there were no Hamas members in the vicinity when they made those attacks. Even so, that's no justification for the indiscriminate killing of civilians that Israel does on a daily basis.

fukhueson@lemmy.world · -19 pts · 1y (4 replies)

I find none of this funny. And I'm similarly finding no justification for hiding behind civilians.

At least I know what side Russia and Turkey are on, and that's incredibly telling information to me.

Sundial@lemm.ee · 11 pts · 1y (3 replies)
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goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 1y
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basmati@lemm.ee · 9 pts · 1y (1 reply)
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fukhueson@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 1y

This appears to be a clear false dichotomy to me (and wildly speculative opinion), there is obvious room between those two positions, and I won't respond to what I consider bad faith discussion.

Have a good day!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

A false dilemma, also referred to as false dichotomy or false binary, is an informal fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available. The source of the fallacy lies not in an invalid form of inference but in a false premise. This premise has the form of a disjunctive claim: it asserts that one among a number of alternatives must be true. This disjunction is problematic because it oversimplifies the choice by excluding viable alternatives, presenting the viewer with only two absolute choices when, in fact, there could be many.

n3m37h@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 1y

Your opinion means shit against facts, you are WRONG. Isreal is a terrorist state

dogslayeggs@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y (11 replies)

So in your mind, it's totally cool to murder innocent women, men, and children as long as there is a chance that terrorists who are currently hiding might possibly be killed in the process?

fukhueson@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 1y (10 replies)

I said that?

dogslayeggs@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y (6 replies)

You said Hamas hides behind children, which is why you wholeheartedly disagree with Israel being morally worse than people who are not Hamas based on children killing. I have no other way to interpret that besides you thinking its OK to kill kids as long as Israel is targeting terrorists who might be hiding there.

fukhueson@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 1y

No other way... Huh odd.

goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Considering Hamas hid behind them (and Palestinian civilians), I wholeheartedly disagree with your opinion.

Equating it's okay to kill those behind civilians

fukhueson@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1y

Thank you for confirming I said exactly not that.

CityPop@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 1y

Israel straps children to the front of its cars to stop them being shot at…

Keeponstalin@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y

Every accusation is a confession

::: spoiler Human Shields

Hamas:

Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.

Israel:

Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields:

:::

::: spoiler Deliberate Attacks on Civilians

Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:

Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.

:::

CityPop@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 1y (4 replies)

When even Russia says it you know it’s bad.

RagingRobot@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y

It sounds like he's just looking to fight

HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y

I mean Russia is actively partnered with Iran for Ukraine and have sold Hezbollah weapons for a loong time. Not like they suddenly grew a conscience

olympicyes@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

Russia is saying it because they have a political alliance with Iran and Syria. Last week, Israel bombed a Russian military base in Syria that had received arms headed for Iran.

fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y

The Kremlin couldn't care less, they're doing this because the Iranian government is their geopolitical ally.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

MyOpinion@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y

Here is comes. Good Job Israel now shit is going to get crazy.

mrfriki@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

...or else we nuke you