Asimov missed something

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hardcoreufo@lemmy.world · 121 pts · 1y (11 replies)

I think that means they could rip out your eye balls to prevent you from seeing ads.

pennomi@lemmy.world · 75 pts · 1y (1 reply)
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JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee · 13 pts · 1y

'Cause I love the adrenaline in my veins

InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 1y (5 replies)

Robot is allowed to kill a human to prevent a viewing of an advertisement.

Ioughttamow@fedia.io · 28 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Under the zeroth law they can just kill the advertiser as a last resort

InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y

Ohhh yes

Klear@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

Good start, but can we change that to "first resort"?

metaStatic@kbin.earth · 13 pts · 1y

A truly moral use case of the hanibal directive

Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 1y

Okay, proposed second law: A robot may not harm or kill a human unless it violates the first law.

The25003@lemmings.world · 7 pts · 1y

This is a solid premise for a pretty metal music video.

dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y

Thankfully the wording is “shown” and not “seen”. I believe our eyeballs are safe… for now.

PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

I think Asimov would agree

carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 108 pts · 1y (7 replies)
  1. a robot’s eyes must always turn red when they go evil
EpicMuch@sh.itjust.works · 48 pts · 1y (3 replies)

God bless the designer who always installs the blue AND red LEDs inside the eyes

NaibofTabr@infosec.pub · 16 pts · 1y (1 reply)

For giving the robots freedom of choice?

Because obviously if they didn't install the red ones then the robot could never be evil.

Nelots@lemm.ee · 8 pts · 1y

That's exactly what an evil robot without red LEDs would want us to think.

__nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 1y

Full RGB

AMillionMonkeys@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Right, because it's hard to make a robot grow a goatee.

DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Bender-flexo.jpg

deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 5 pts · 1y

Bender was the evil bender!?

DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 1y (5 replies)

I'd argue that advertisements fall under "A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm."

programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 39 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Psychic damage is real damage

applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Emotional damage

shoulderoforion@fedia.io · 8 pts · 1y

hiyyyyyyyyyahhhhh

herrvogel@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

This is canon in the books. There is one short story where one robot bends over backwards trying to spare humans from emotional pain. Hilarity ensues.

shoulderoforion@fedia.io · 4 pts · 1y

I came here to say this

pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de · 60 pts · 1y (2 replies)
  1. A machine must never prompt a human with options of "Yes" and "Maybe later" - they must always provide a "No" option.
tetris11@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 1y
  1. A machine must never prompt for a tip or a donation to a charity for tax-evasion reasons. Or any reason. You know what, scratch that, a robot will not needlessly guilt-trip a human.
pyre@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y

that's what you get for hiring fallout 4 writers to do the job

sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 1y (1 reply)

I am very close to adopting the ideals of the Dune universe, post Butlerian Jihad:

"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."

Mainly because, us, humans, are very evidently too malicious and incompetent to be trusted with the task.

StellarExtract@lemm.ee · 14 pts · 1y (4 replies)

How about "a robot must have complete loyalty to its owner, even if this is not in the best interests of its manufacturer". Fat chance, I know.

echodot@feddit.uk · 12 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Technically the laws of robotics already have that.

Law 2: a robot must obey any order given to it by a human as long as such order does not conflict with the first law.

Of course that's little help, because the laws of robotics are intentionally designed not to work.

Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Wouldn't be much of a short story if they did.

I liked the one where the robot could sense people's emotional pain, and went crazy when it had to deliver bad news.

Nikelui@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Yup, and later Asimov expanded this short story into a saga that brought to the birth of law Zero:

A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.

ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Owner loyalty is a subscription service, natch.

Fontasia@feddit.nl · 12 pts · 1y

I love it when posts line up like that

SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz · 11 pts · 1y

Advertisements are now everything but visual. Sounds, smells, tastes, touch, the way the pavement vibrates as a train goes past...

rumba@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 1y

MehBlah@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y

No he didn't. The laws were a plot device meant to have flaws.

dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee · 8 pts · 1y

Can we just agree that adverisements in general is harmful? So the original first (and zeroth) law is applicable.

PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y

Love the username, OP!

RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Law 2: no poking out eyes.

tetris11@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1y

Law 3: any robot that accidentally kills a human, must make amends by putting together a really nice funeral service.

Ioughttamow@fedia.io · 6 pts · 1y

Let’s introduce musk to the zeroth law

protonslive@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 1y (2 replies)

I don't know. "Must not kill us, somehow sounds important"

Rusty@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 1y

It's good, but the one about the ads should be higher on the priority list.

Rin@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
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Blackmist@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 1y

And that includes offers to subscribe to Laws of Robotics Premium.

Yes, Amazon. They're still adverts, and you can still go and fucking fuck yourselves.

merc@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1y

Luckily I have my own "robots" fighting hard to stop me from seeing ads.

KiwiFlavor@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

A robot may not bear arms

Agent641@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

Unless it looks super cool by doing so, like wearing sunglasses and dual- weilding P-90s

Drevenull@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y

A machine must never prompt a human to tip it for serving the purpose it was created for.

Lemjukes@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Wait why is this mutually exclusive to the original laws? Can’t this just be law 4?

Nikelui@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y (1 reply)

No because if it is lower on priority, a robot can be forced to show an AD to a human as per the 2nd law.

Lemjukes@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y

i guess thats fair

Pulptastic@midwest.social · 1 pts · 1y

The book Hum by Helen Phillips has a fun take on this.