I was watching "Sir Mix-A-Lot - Baby Got Back (Official Music Video)", and one line is "A lot of simps won't like this song", and I didn't know that the word was so old!
TIL that "simp" originated in West Coast hip hop culture in the 1980s
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/simp#Etymology_2
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JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee · 32 pts · 1y
Pretty common for American pop culture to adopt trends and slang from the black community without giving them credit
Tramort@programming.dev · 47 pts · 1y
What would you expect attribution to look like?
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y
Yeah. I don’t see too many people citing Shakespeare for the estimated 1700 words he popularized or invented. Of course many of those words were created by someone else and Shakespeare picked them up from the common vernacular and started using them in his plays.
But that’s how it works. That’s how language works. Nobody owns it.
Bezier@suppo.fi · 27 pts · 1y
How should people credit the words they pick up into their vernacular? This doesn't sound like a very workable idea to me.
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · 38 pts · 1y
You're such a simp^1
Easy.
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee · 7 pts · 1y
thirtyfold8625@thebrainbin.org · 4 pts · 1y
I was thinking about this while I was composing my post. I was thinking that I could cite literally every word with a "wiktionary.org" link, but there's probably a bootstrapping problem where if you don't already understand a reasonable amount about "wiktionary.org", you can't make use of my citations. Also, if the reader normally uses the "dictionary.com" definitions of words, and a definition conflicts with the "wiktionary.org" usage, that could cause problems.
Some states have an official group of people who determine what the "correct" way to speak is. I know that France has or had something like that. That could be useful for legal proceedings so that people who use language inconsistently don't stay free much more often than people who do.
I think that we just have to assume that everyone who's not in prison has some way to communicate with the majority of the people they meet, regardless of whether there is a group of people making prescriptive statements about definitions and/or grammar. That means that dictionaries (and any other detailed documentation like citations) don't need to be used for day-to-day communication.
Note that dictionaries and things like that will probably always be useful for "technical" interactions, like using a legal court, or making engineering plans, or directing time-sensitive operations (like how a pilot should know that someone saying "mayday mayday mayday" means that an emergency is being declared).
PunnyName@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 1y
Like saying this country was founded on freedom, when in reality it was founded on the suffering of an absolute fuck ton of black slaves.
thirtyfold8625@thebrainbin.org · 13 pts · 1y
Things started earlier than that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dnp7lOObjU&t=3119s&list=PLG1NADbefbENzGtVrh_bh-W6sfSWfopqS
refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 1y
Don't forget the suffering and genocide of the Native American population as well.
But yeah. Black people basically invented American culture as a whole. Hell, other than electronic music, I can't think of any music genre in the past 150 years that black people did not create.
Geetnerd@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org · 0 pts · 1y
I was specifically referring to the smallpox, actually. Native Americans did not have viral infections, so they did not know how to fight it. I believe the Azteks came up with antibiotics at this point already, as bacterial disease was common.
Also the Trail of Tears, but that was later.
lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1y
Uhh, citation needed lol. Certainly they did not have smallpox, but do you really think virii didn't exist in the Americas?
refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 1y
No, but viral infections spread most effectively from human to human, and Native Americans (with some exceptions) did not form large cities.
Stuff like STDs probably existed, for instance, and those are viral infections for the most part, but STDs do not spread nearly as well as something like smallpox does.
The big difference here is that smallpox can be transmitted through airbourne droplets from coughing or sneezing, or through physical contact. I am not saying it was intentional by the Europeans (I couldn't find much evidence for the smallpox blankets existing), but it was very effective in eradicating the Native American population.
Geetnerd@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
3dmvr@lemm.ee · 11 pts · 1y
its insanely common for white middleschoolers to claim words like (rizz, gyatt, thot, bop, etc.) and act like they are new things, since its mostly kids filling these comment sections it spreads and loses its meaning lol
3dmvr@lemm.ee · 13 pts · 1y
I think a lot of these tiktokers dont live around ppl using those words so they see it as tiktok slang
StaticFalconar@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
Nobody owns a language and the black community is literally a part of america.
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org · 28 pts · 1y
Newsflash: the kids never invented anything and everything that's old is new again.
nokturne213@sopuli.xyz · 14 pts · 1y
And Dale Gribble was the first to yeet.
tetris11@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1y
and Hank invented dabbing, hiding his eyes in shame of Bobby's continuing disappointment
Una@europe.pub · 2 pts · 1y
What about rizz? W and L in the chat?
not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Imba
thirtyfold8625@thebrainbin.org · 2 pts · 1y
This one is new to me! https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=imba
Lazhward@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Pretty sure that was Shakespeare.
It's always Shakespeare.
3dmvr@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
rizzle foshizzle
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
I remember it being a reference to Homer Simpson's face turned sideways looking like a shaved pussy.
macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
Yes, it means simpleton.
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Are you sure it isn't "simpering"?
Geetnerd@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
DrBob@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1y
I'm pretty sure it's something.
Asidonhopo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Perhaps, perhaps not. But the following verse shows simp to be synonymous with punk (derogatory)
kaklerbitmap@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
Think the first time I remember hearing it was in Boyz II Men's "Simpin' Ain't Easy" (https://youtu.be/SBrYKRh6Eeg)
ABasilPlant@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
Also there in Passin' Me By by The Pharcyde (1992)
Dhar@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1y
I always thought it was short for "simpering".