Modern Programming

Eh, reads pretty naturally to me. That said, (like I lisp)

It's kinda natural to me having used Perl a lot.

At least you guys have ternary syntax cries in kotlin.

I think it's just what you're used to. Imo it really matters that it's keywords and not operator symbols - it's meant to read closer to natural language. I prefer the c version when it's ? and :, but I like them this way round when it's if and else.

Python is kinda like that in general, unless you try to make it read like ass

I think the idea is it reads more naturally, so you can read it like this return A if statement is true else return B

Edit... I reread your comment and realized that python does it differently and that everything I typed was irrelevant... I'm still gonna leave it if anyone is interested in ternary expressions, but I suppose the answer to your question is, that's just how python does it.

That's how ternary operators are designed to work. In essence, if you're looking to do a single line if/then, you can directly assign a variable from the result of a ternary expression.

As an example, I was scripting something earlier where there may or may not be a value returned from a function, but I still had to do something with that return value later. For this thing, I was using JavaScript.

I ended up with:

return platform == "name"  ? "Option 1" : "Option 2"

If I were to write that out in a typical if/then it would be:

if (platform == "name") {
    return "option 1"
} else {
    return "option 2"
}

A ternary starts with a boolean expression, then the if true value, else the false value. That's returned to either a variable or if in a function like my example, to the object calling the function. It's just a way to write less code that in many cases is easier to read.

Full circle 😆

Because of all the garbage

Not as cursed as

print("eovdedn"[n%2::2]) 

Are you just referring to how Python uses the English and/or instead of the more common &&/||? I think what the user above you was talking about was Lua's strange ternary syntax using and/or.

def foo(a: list = None)
    a = a or []

Ah that makes sense.

It does. Empty collections, 0, None

They are not the same, but 0 can be implicitly converted to false.

What do you get if you do: 0 === false