This is the worst discourse strategy. Makes it incredibly easy to shrug of feminist arguments.
This is not radical or helpful as in changing discourse and help make the world a better place. It just helps to feel very radical.
Those are two entirely different goals and the left is self marginalizing and generally loosing a lot because we mix them up too often.
Also you should not censor this critique, so please don't
I really agree with you. This kind of discourse we see here in the comments are really harmful for everybody. Men and Women might be sympathetic to feminist arguments and want to learn are pushed away by memes calling all men rapists or even dangerous murderers. Think how you would react if you stumbled into a really misogynistic online forum like some incel forum - you'll think "incels are bunch of idiots" and well, that is exactly what these memes here are doing for online feminism.
it is either edgelord useful idiots who think saying edgy words make a fuck all of a difference or they want to let out steam because of patriarchy, or a prolonged and sustained psyop to completely discredit ferminism or to divide progressives/the left.
Is there even a remotely comfortable place for people to even talk about subjects like this without it devolving into "not all X" arguments and completely missing the point? I basically can't talk about any of my day to day experiences with sexism without fearing the majority of lemmy users. I shouldn't be fucking afraid dammit.
If 10% of the men that got offended by this shit would get offended by their mate catcalling or groping someone those behaviours would disappear in a week.
That's probably the most heinous sexual offense there is. I've been at a work function where a guy pinned me against a wall and insisted I come home with him, everyone just looked on with a couple of awkward laughs. I'm not saying your friends are all bastards, but you've gotta have a pretty narrow or pretty small social circle to avoid running into predatory men.
Ok so he was just anti-fem I guess. For all his upvotes I thought maybe twoX fell to runaway toxicity like FDS/RedPill or was taken over by terfs and I was just OOTL
There's a graffiti on an abandoned building nearby, about 8 stories tall, that just says "STOP MEN."
Strangely, neither myself nor any of the men I regularly hang with have been offended by this or felt targeted. It's almost like random graffiti can't hurt you.
Yes, I have. Heterosexual men aren't the only people who catcall - who knew!
I literally never once expressed even remote alignment with the meme - I simply pointed out an error in your hypothetical.
I've marginalised absolutely nothing, you are fighting ghosts.
I'm not the person fighting ghosts, and if we're going to talk about marginalising groups then maybe you shouldn't be using mental health as an insult.
52 Comments
astropenguin5@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 1y
Is this a kill all men thing or like
A threat saying to fight back against catcallers
gift_of_gab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Well, yes.
Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1y
Rockin' tune!
kwomp2@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 1y
This is the worst discourse strategy. Makes it incredibly easy to shrug of feminist arguments.
This is not radical or helpful as in changing discourse and help make the world a better place. It just helps to feel very radical. Those are two entirely different goals and the left is self marginalizing and generally loosing a lot because we mix them up too often.
Also you should not censor this critique, so please don't
brot@feddit.org · 7 pts · 1y
I really agree with you. This kind of discourse we see here in the comments are really harmful for everybody. Men and Women might be sympathetic to feminist arguments and want to learn are pushed away by memes calling all men rapists or even dangerous murderers. Think how you would react if you stumbled into a really misogynistic online forum like some incel forum - you'll think "incels are bunch of idiots" and well, that is exactly what these memes here are doing for online feminism.
appropriateghost@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 1y
it is either edgelord useful idiots who think saying edgy words make a fuck all of a difference or they want to let out steam because of patriarchy, or a prolonged and sustained psyop to completely discredit ferminism or to divide progressives/the left.
I think it's both.
jadedwench@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 1y
Is there even a remotely comfortable place for people to even talk about subjects like this without it devolving into "not all X" arguments and completely missing the point? I basically can't talk about any of my day to day experiences with sexism without fearing the majority of lemmy users. I shouldn't be fucking afraid dammit.
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org · 5 pts · 1y
!womensstuff@piefed.blahaj.zone
jadedwench@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1y
Bless you kind fae.
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org · 2 pts · 1y
Happy to help!
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y
!womensstuff@piefed.blahaj.zone
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
On the internet without curated access? No.
Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 1y
I have no tolerance for insecure men who are scared of their bad behaviour ever being held to account. I 💯 agree with you.
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -10 pts · 1y
If 10% of the men that got offended by this shit would get offended by their mate catcalling or groping someone those behaviours would disappear in a week.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 24 pts · 1y
How? We're not friends with those people. The Fratbro Alliance is a self contained circlejerk.
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -5 pts · 1y
guarantee you know some blokes that treat women like shit at least sometimes if you're at all social.
approx 15% of Aussie men admit they would rape a kid, most often married wealthy men with kids. https://www.humanrights.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/documents/Identifying%20and%20understanding%20child%20sexual%20offending%20behaviour%20and%20attitudes%20among%20Australian%20men.pdf
That's probably the most heinous sexual offense there is. I've been at a work function where a guy pinned me against a wall and insisted I come home with him, everyone just looked on with a couple of awkward laughs. I'm not saying your friends are all bastards, but you've gotta have a pretty narrow or pretty small social circle to avoid running into predatory men.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
Yes but then they would have to get angry at their bros, not just at bitches. It's totally different. We wouldn't understand.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 112d
most sane men are
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 18 pts · 1y
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org · 15 pts · 1y
Septimaeus@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 1y
Wait I liked that sub many years ago. Did something happen to it?
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1y
no.
Septimaeus@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 1y
Ok so he was just anti-fem I guess. For all his upvotes I thought maybe twoX fell to runaway toxicity like FDS/RedPill or was taken over by terfs and I was just OOTL
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y
Just finish harassing all women off the platform.
Or bring civilization to your garbage gender.
Either works.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 112d
GROWN ADULTS calling anither GENDER garbage
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org · 14 pts · 1y
codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 1y
There's a graffiti on an abandoned building nearby, about 8 stories tall, that just says "STOP MEN."
Strangely, neither myself nor any of the men I regularly hang with have been offended by this or felt targeted. It's almost like random graffiti can't hurt you.
EldenLord@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
Gender war propaganda on my wholesome communism app???
Not with me!
Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 1y
Source: https://ottawa.place/@auxonic/114910543908105307
_cryptagion@quokk.au · 5 pts · 1y
wait a minute... did you join my mastodon just to scrape memes for your meme comm? you leftist scum
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1y
The joke: Hey if you kill men that catcall they stop.
The comments: How dare you.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1y
Etterra@discuss.online · 6 pts · 1y
Dead men can't call ICE.
_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1y
Morningstar_bitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1y
true :3
kwomp2@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1y
kwomp2@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1y
Nice cencorship, you're doing great
macaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1y
Jokes on you, I’ve never experienced desire! So there! …. Oh wait….🫥
reactionality@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 1y
apotheotic@beehaw.org · 8 pts · 1y
Men can be attracted to men
reactionality@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 1y
apotheotic@beehaw.org · 10 pts · 1y
But men can catcall men... So your counter hypothetical doesn't work
reactionality@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 1y
apotheotic@beehaw.org · 10 pts · 1y
Yes, I have. Heterosexual men aren't the only people who catcall - who knew!
I literally never once expressed even remote alignment with the meme - I simply pointed out an error in your hypothetical.
I've marginalised absolutely nothing, you are fighting ghosts.
I'm not the person fighting ghosts, and if we're going to talk about marginalising groups then maybe you shouldn't be using mental health as an insult.
reactionality@lemmy.sdf.org · -2 pts · 1y
apotheotic@beehaw.org · 6 pts · 1y
Sweetheart I'm trans and a lesbian. I never called for anyone to die - please read all my comments again.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
What the hell kind of comment is this
reactionality@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 1y
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 112d
the death penalty for catcalling? 2 weeks of rehabilitation and reflection for them
Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 111d
who are you, the ghost of xmas past?
Afflictedlife@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
You know I made a comment to this effect not too long ago. I don't know that it was well received. Shame
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
I just kinda feel everyone should be aware of the phenomenon of rigor erectus, in case it factors in, at all.
biotin7@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 1y
biotin7@sopuli.xyz · -1 pts · 1y
Calling for death huh, not a good look
dukatos@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 1y
What to do if there is a man bleeding on your lawn?
Reload and shoot him again.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 112d
I HATE the OPPOSITE GENDER because I AM still mentally FIVE111111
KiWilly@lemmy.myserv.one · -10 pts · 1y
isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de · -10 pts · 1y
fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 1y
Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 1y
Dead racists can't get banned.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y
Provably untrue, if any are willing to give their lives for science.
_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y