IMHO every contract from any level in government should stipulate that data can't leave the EU without explicit consent. That would build up EU cloud providers since the big 3 would all be excluded.
The US PATRIOT Act makes data storage location irrelevant. If the USA sanctions your country, the cloud gets turned off whether the data centre is local or not.
The USA is able to exercise soft power around the world because of and through its control of finance and now data.
I think you missed OPs point. They shouldn't use data centres of US american companies even if they're located in the EU because they already can't guarantee that data isn't leaving the EU. CLOUD Act is more relevant here than the USA PATRIOT Act.
They do not mean anything if they are not GDPR Business compliant. They can not guarantee the inaccessability by us gov branches. The EU needs solutions independent off the haircolor of the next US President.
i mean they're not allowed to do business here if they aren't. i'm not saying they are, but they put up a good enough façade that governments trust them, and they haven't been caught yet.
it's required by law that they disclose that in their SLA, which means that when governments question it they at least say that they're making exceptions. apparently that's good enough, but it probably doesn't stand up to an independent audit.
I certainly hope we go further than that and also cut down on Chinese solar inverters, dubious smarthome/cloud appliances... And I wish we don't buy too many US weapon systems now that we invest in war/defense, so Trump can't just blackmail us with the ammunitions supply.
It's likely a Dell 2725QE, I have the exact same one because it's (or "was" if something new came out) the only choice with the new generation of the IPS Black panel (that has 120FPS) and a USB hub. Samsung (that owns the technology) hasn't released anything yet when I was buying mine.
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CAVOK@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 361d
IMHO every contract from any level in government should stipulate that data can't leave the EU without explicit consent. That would build up EU cloud providers since the big 3 would all be excluded.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 21 pts · 361d
The US PATRIOT Act makes data storage location irrelevant. If the USA sanctions your country, the cloud gets turned off whether the data centre is local or not.
The USA is able to exercise soft power around the world because of and through its control of finance and now data.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 26 pts · 361d
I think you missed OPs point. They shouldn't use data centres of US american companies even if they're located in the EU because they already can't guarantee that data isn't leaving the EU. CLOUD Act is more relevant here than the USA PATRIOT Act.
hydroptic@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 361d
lime@feddit.nu · 5 pts · 361d
microsoft alone has like 25 datacenters in the EU.
Gloria@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 361d
They do not mean anything if they are not GDPR Business compliant. They can not guarantee the inaccessability by us gov branches. The EU needs solutions independent off the haircolor of the next US President.
lime@feddit.nu · 1 pts · 361d
i mean they're not allowed to do business here if they aren't. i'm not saying they are, but they put up a good enough façade that governments trust them, and they haven't been caught yet.
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 361d
But they are a US company and US law can subpoena EU data without EU gov authorisation, so the fact their DC's are in the EU is basically irrelevant.
Should the EU use Russian or Chinese DC's based in the EU?
lime@feddit.nu · 1 pts · 361d
it's required by law that they disclose that in their SLA, which means that when governments question it they at least say that they're making exceptions. apparently that's good enough, but it probably doesn't stand up to an independent audit.
SpeedRunner@europe.pub · 23 pts · 361d
Yes?
NochMehrG@feddit.org · 21 pts · 361d
Yes!
kubica@fedia.io · 12 pts · 361d
Should Europe be prepared for the US not being as friendly as it was though?
eee@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 361d
US already isn't friendly, or do you consider tariffs and bullying a friendly gesture?
kubica@fedia.io · 4 pts · 361d
Maybe I was being gentle, but I also mean that it can still get worse.
TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 361d
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 361d
A rare case of betteridge not applying
Anonymaus@feddit.org · 8 pts · 361d
Its rhetorical question, right?
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de · 2 pts · 361d
I certainly hope we go further than that and also cut down on Chinese solar inverters, dubious smarthome/cloud appliances... And I wish we don't buy too many US weapon systems now that we invest in war/defense, so Trump can't just blackmail us with the ammunitions supply.
tal@lemmy.today · -2 pts · 361d
BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info · 8 pts · 361d
we should improve society somewhat
It's likely a Dell 2725QE, I have the exact same one because it's (or "was" if something new came out) the only choice with the new generation of the IPS Black panel (that has 120FPS) and a USB hub. Samsung (that owns the technology) hasn't released anything yet when I was buying mine.