Usually both are necessary, and relying only on words and not on actual organizing and coherent force ends up costing far more human lives than just committing to revolution. Non-violence just means your enemies get to use violence on you unopposed.
Its great seeing all the same arguments used to justify the US war on Iraq (where they murdered a million innocent people) again in 2025. Thanks, I needed to see this today. /s
He has to. Otherwise he's got no path to office. That said the status quo has moved enough to make criticizing Israel a net positive among D electorate.
Thank you for finding this quote. It's certainly not a great look. He does specifically condemn the action of killing of civilians. Which is lingo similar to how Europe recently condemned Israeli bombings on Qatar, while not condemning Israel itself but it's not a great look.
He has another one where he says he supports Israel's right to exist, but not as a Jewish state, but as a state with equal rights for everyone. Which in practice means that he doesn't believe Israel has the right to exist, but it's a great way to answer the question in a way that satisfies libs.
That said, I don't think it's possible to do anything about the October 7 libs without doing any of this kind of dodgy answering.
It's a simple matter of fact that many if not most of us, at least in NA have started with the default lib programming. There clearly is a path through deprogramming that creates likeminded people who then support people like Zohran. Playing the word gymnastics like Mamdani does enables libs to take on some of these ideas instead of rejecting all of them because of one thought-terminating slogan. That puts them on the deprogramming path. I don't think this contradicts any long-term leftist goals.
That's just nuance and working with the public. He's literally pro-palestinian. I don't understand why we need to paint everybody as an enemy because, what, they haven't asked for the expulsion of every last Israeli?
I don't think we're doing that. We can critique our own and we should. We should do a lot more of this before a candidate is locked in for an election. That doesn't mean we don't vote for those candidates at the election. I think almost anyone here who lives in NYC would vote for Zohran.
It's because ml's aren't trying to strategically win power and influence within the current system -- they want to tear it down completely. Mamdani and Trump are just 2 parts of the same whole to them.
Israel is by definition not a state with equal rights. This is a great way to answer the question to statisfy libs while also showing the issue with Israel: their Apartheid. Which is the raison d'etre of Israel as a Jewish ethnostate. Adding the equal rights part means believing Israel doesn't have a right to exist.
Liberal Zionism is still Zionism and so is the two-state solution proposed by the West, no matter how you put it. This is still clear-as-day support for a Euroanglo-Zionazi state. Please don't fall for prophetic entryism.
For Palestinians, to be subjected to almost a century of Lebensraum from Europeans and now recently others from other Western nations and then be told "Hey! Maybe we should live together in harmony with rainbows and sunshine to share!" is degrading beyond comprehension. Adding "with equal rights" means jack squat.
Not a single inch for Euroanglo-Zionazis. They know exactly where they come from.
Yeah but to complete the square, there has to be praise for the murder of Palestinian politicians. I assume that's about the strike in Doha and a brief search only shows them "being concerned" over it, not praising it. Of course it's a meme so there's no point litigating the accuracy to the T. I'm sure things aren't the same behind closed doors. But if there's a src for the lib praising Palestinian politicians' deaths that would be helpful.
They consistently demonize the Houthis, Hamas, and anyone fighting for their lives against Israel. Only a single democrat (Omar) didn't give standing ovations to Netanyahu when he visited congress earlier this year.
Someone else I'm sure has collected plenty of these.
This would be more meaningful if the type of person posting it wasn't doing the exact same thing with the parties reversed. Why is it so terrifying for people to have a modicum of compassion and empathy for all sentient life, or if not that at least human life. Having compassion and empathy is not endorsement, is not supporting their cause, does not reduce you.
I celebrate Kirk's murder precisely because I have empathy. I am fully aware of the harm Kirk and his ilk have caused. How many women were sexually assaulted because their rapists were motivated by Kirk? How many minorities were discriminated against or had hate crimes perpetrated against them because of Charlie 'I Think Empathy Isn't Real' Kirk? It is impossible to have empathy for people and not hate Kirk's guts.
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TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 334d
No it's ok because they always say it has no place in the United States
Palestine is a-ok!
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 37 pts · 334d
And Yemen of course. Where Israel bombed the entire cabinet last week
Grapho@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 334d
Political violence is a trademark of the Coca-Cola company ffs nobody gives a shit about intellectual property anymore
RedSnt@feddit.dk · 13 pts · 334d
::: spoiler Right on the money.
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::: spoiler More money.
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That last one almost makes it seem like non-political violence is OK?
Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works · 31 pts · 334d
Where are these liberals? I'm only seeing celebrations or "I don't condone but in this case I don't care either" for the fascist getting shot.
Or were you hearing them condemn gun violence for the school shooting that also occurred today?
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 52 pts · 334d
I've seen a lot of posts condemning political violence. Newsom, Bernie, Harris, Waltz, AOC.
It's in their best interest to condemn political violence, they work in politics.
Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 334d
I haven't seen any of them praising the assassination of Palestinians though.
spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 333d
Agreed, at best this is confirmation bias at play
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 25 pts · 334d
Then there must be some mismatch between what actual liberal leaders are saying, and their followers.
Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 334d
Pretty sure we saw that with Luigi too
hotdog_in_butt@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 334d
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 333d
Newsom, for one.
null@lemmy.nullspace.lol · -9 pts · 333d
They are lurking everywhere in the .ml brain-rotted hive-mind
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 333d
All the leading liberals in the US are doing this right now.
null@lemmy.nullspace.lol · -7 pts · 333d
"liberals" being whatever you need the term to mean in the moment.
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 333d
The politics understander has trouble believing US democrats are in fact, liberals.
null@lemmy.nullspace.lol · -13 pts · 333d
Sure, today you mean top Democrats, tomorrow you mean anyone a hair to the right of Marx.
ZeroHora@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 333d
If the person that is a hair to the right of Marx defend capitalism surprise surprise he is a liberal.
null@lemmy.nullspace.lol · -9 pts · 333d
I'm sure you'll accuse them of doing so, yes.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 332d
So your complaint is that, while they are using the term correctly now, in the future they might not be? Are you an idiot or just a troll?
null@lemmy.nullspace.lol · -3 pts · 332d
Grapho@lemmy.ml · 26 pts · 334d
Itsafraid.jpeg
idriss@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 333d
I pray for the safety of the Luigi's in our world. They gave us hope that we lost in politicians.
brem@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 333d
Words can be weapons as well. Not all who slay beasts do so with metal.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 332d
Usually both are necessary, and relying only on words and not on actual organizing and coherent force ends up costing far more human lives than just committing to revolution. Non-violence just means your enemies get to use violence on you unopposed.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 333d
"Womp womp" - Some republican, mocking the suffering of others on fox news
I think the above quote sums up the world's reaction pretty nicely
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 334d
I think we should issue dueling pistols to politicians if you have a disagreement, settle it at 12 paces.
reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 334d
I demand satisfaction, good sir!
I agree let’s bring back dueling for politicians
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 333d
Universe 25
crashfrog@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 332d
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 332d
Are you implying that "not being on a ballot" means it is OK to murder people?
crashfrog@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 332d
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 332d
No, they clearly aren't, dumbass
crashfrog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 331d
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 331d
damn, glad you are open about how shitty you are, makes it easier to block cunts
crashfrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 331d
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 332d
so you're both racist and incredibly stupid.
who would have guess that those two things are related
crashfrog@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 331d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 332d
Incredible levels of racism here, holy shit.
crashfrog@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 331d
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 332d
Its great seeing all the same arguments used to justify the US war on Iraq (where they murdered a million innocent people) again in 2025. Thanks, I needed to see this today. /s
crashfrog@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 332d
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 332d
Go off rudyard kipling / winston churchill, you tell those barbarian middle-easterners and asians just how superior you are. /s
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 332d
Holy shit, .worlders get more rascist by the day.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 332d
The one which was rigged by Israel to choose between Israeli slaves or people who would resist the occupation.
That said, your logic basically justifies 9-11 and the shooting of Charlie Kirk, so I am not sure where you are going with this.
crashfrog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 331d
Donjuanme@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 334d
Are these liberals in the room with you?
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 334d
Its a reference to this.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 14 pts · 334d
Yeah they just mean it's not okay here so it's still fine for them to be okay with it in other countries.
Fuck that's depressing it's most likely their actual reasoning. Or that they just don't care
Stovetop@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 334d
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 334d
3 democrat politicians who follow the party line on US imperialism, "condemning hamas" and supporting Israel's wars.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 334d
Mamdani has so far never condemned any Palestinian resistance groups* nor supported Israel. The others have.
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 334d
Mamdani condemns hamas just like every other democrat:
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 333d
He has to. Otherwise he's got no path to office. That said the status quo has moved enough to make criticizing Israel a net positive among D electorate.
Samsuma@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 333d
This actually just means parliamentarism/electoralism is a sham, workarounds to it or entryism be damned.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 333d
Thank you for finding this quote. It's certainly not a great look. He does specifically condemn the action of killing of civilians. Which is lingo similar to how Europe recently condemned Israeli bombings on Qatar, while not condemning Israel itself but it's not a great look.
He has another one where he says he supports Israel's right to exist, but not as a Jewish state, but as a state with equal rights for everyone. Which in practice means that he doesn't believe Israel has the right to exist, but it's a great way to answer the question in a way that satisfies libs.
That said, I don't think it's possible to do anything about the October 7 libs without doing any of this kind of dodgy answering.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 333d
It's a simple matter of fact that many if not most of us, at least in NA have started with the default lib programming. There clearly is a path through deprogramming that creates likeminded people who then support people like Zohran. Playing the word gymnastics like Mamdani does enables libs to take on some of these ideas instead of rejecting all of them because of one thought-terminating slogan. That puts them on the deprogramming path. I don't think this contradicts any long-term leftist goals.
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de · -1 pts · 333d
That's just nuance and working with the public. He's literally pro-palestinian. I don't understand why we need to paint everybody as an enemy because, what, they haven't asked for the expulsion of every last Israeli?
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 333d
I don't think we're doing that. We can critique our own and we should. We should do a lot more of this before a candidate is locked in for an election. That doesn't mean we don't vote for those candidates at the election. I think almost anyone here who lives in NYC would vote for Zohran.
null@lemmy.nullspace.lol · 0 pts · 333d
It's because ml's aren't trying to strategically win power and influence within the current system -- they want to tear it down completely. Mamdani and Trump are just 2 parts of the same whole to them.
Samsuma@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 333d
'Israel has the right to exist' he said, then added 'as a state with equal rights'
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 333d
Israel is by definition not a state with equal rights. This is a great way to answer the question to statisfy libs while also showing the issue with Israel: their Apartheid. Which is the raison d'etre of Israel as a Jewish ethnostate. Adding the equal rights part means believing Israel doesn't have a right to exist.
Samsuma@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 333d
Liberal Zionism is still Zionism and so is the two-state solution proposed by the West, no matter how you put it. This is still clear-as-day support for a Euroanglo-Zionazi state. Please don't fall for prophetic entryism.
For Palestinians, to be subjected to almost a century of Lebensraum from Europeans and now recently others from other Western nations and then be told "Hey! Maybe we should live together in harmony with rainbows and sunshine to share!" is degrading beyond comprehension. Adding "with equal rights" means jack squat.
Not a single inch for Euroanglo-Zionazis. They know exactly where they come from.
Stovetop@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 334d
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 334d
Yeah but to complete the square, there has to be praise for the murder of Palestinian politicians. I assume that's about the strike in Doha and a brief search only shows them "being concerned" over it, not praising it. Of course it's a meme so there's no point litigating the accuracy to the T. I'm sure things aren't the same behind closed doors. But if there's a src for the lib praising Palestinian politicians' deaths that would be helpful.
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 334d
They consistently demonize the Houthis, Hamas, and anyone fighting for their lives against Israel. Only a single democrat (Omar) didn't give standing ovations to Netanyahu when he visited congress earlier this year.
Someone else I'm sure has collected plenty of these.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 334d
Ah yeah, if you cast a wider timeline net then there's definitely been praise for killing Palestinian politicians.
guy@piefed.social · -1 pts · 333d
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 334d
Eww Newsweek
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 333d
Ok and? Are all these liberal leaders tweets and statements directly linked there fabricated?
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 333d
It’s about not bringing revenue to a fascist mouthpiece.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · -12 pts · 333d
This would be more meaningful if the type of person posting it wasn't doing the exact same thing with the parties reversed. Why is it so terrifying for people to have a modicum of compassion and empathy for all sentient life, or if not that at least human life. Having compassion and empathy is not endorsement, is not supporting their cause, does not reduce you.
astutemural@midwest.social · 11 pts · 333d
I celebrate Kirk's murder precisely because I have empathy. I am fully aware of the harm Kirk and his ilk have caused. How many women were sexually assaulted because their rapists were motivated by Kirk? How many minorities were discriminated against or had hate crimes perpetrated against them because of Charlie 'I Think Empathy Isn't Real' Kirk? It is impossible to have empathy for people and not hate Kirk's guts.
NickSchwanck@aus.social · 4 pts · 333d
@astutemural @jerkface
👏👏👏👏👏👏
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 333d
Bella Ciao
jerkface@lemmy.ca · -9 pts · 333d
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 333d
Why did you need ai for this
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 333d
To tell it to say:
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 333d
He must think it's a trustable source. I feel bad honestly, he's gonna learn eventually though
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 332d
Hypothetically, how would that benefit me?
jerkface@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 332d
Better question, why did our lovely mods remove it?