E: Is left centerism in its essence just antifasicsm? What can all left people agree on? Certainly antifascism, but what are other topics we can agree on?
E2: I mean many of us can't even agree on this meme it seems.
Considering the way "leftists" advocate for fascist countries posing as Communist utopia's, I am not convinced that all of us can agree on being anti-fascist, either.
No one understands what either one actually means, which in a way is fine, because neither side does even a reasonable job of describing a complex political beliefs. People select one to identify as the good guy, label the other the bad guy, and then dig in. I take issues with the authoritarians on both sides of this false dichotomy. Tankie, nazi, imperialist or neo-nazi, I don't care which side of the political spectrum they believe they identify with; fascists can fun off.
One means kings, one means no kings. We use the term Right to describe a set of political beliefs in which a societal elite rules and power & ideas flow from the top down. The further right you go, the smaller & more exclusive the elite gets, the steeper and stricter hierarchies get. The Left describes a set of political beliefs in which rule is shared or replaced with self rule, hierarchies are shallow or non-existent; power & ideas flow from the bottom up. The further left you go the less you're willing to compromise on those points and the more you start to see economic power as equivalent to political power.
Context my dude. Hunger is a term we apply to people having insufficient food available while you're applying it out of context to the bodily sensation of being motivated to eat.
None of those things are inherently left or right wing. You just don't know what words mean.
If you still support the system of private ownership of and control over capital/equity, where the allocation and distribution of goods/services is decided by the monetary-based markets for the goal of generating profit, you are inherently right-wing.
I love how this meme complains about pointless quarrelling while starting a quarrel with...
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The entire left! Like come on, you're not even practicing what you preach. You're not asking for unity, only trying to shame people into submission like the supposed smug leftists you're calling out.
26 Comments
Assassassin@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 330d
Smug centrism is obviously the answer
Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org · -9 pts · 330d
Or left centrism xD
E: Is left centerism in its essence just antifasicsm? What can all left people agree on? Certainly antifascism, but what are other topics we can agree on?
E2: I mean many of us can't even agree on this meme it seems.
Glide@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 330d
Considering the way "leftists" advocate for fascist countries posing as Communist utopia's, I am not convinced that all of us can agree on being anti-fascist, either.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 330d
Those aren't leftists, they're tankies
Glide@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 330d
Wanting full control in the hands of the state is still a set of beliefs aligned with the left, even if it is fascist authoritarianism.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 330d
What leftist philosophy accepts a fascist government in charge? And don't say nazis
F_State@midwest.social · 1 pts · 326d
Bolshevism came damn close.
F_State@midwest.social · 1 pts · 326d
If the state controls the means of production, then the workers don't. Full stop, no matter how much Bolsheviks want to argue with you about it.
Some people treat Left and Right as more akin to conferences that your sports team joins than actual descriptive terms for political beliefs.
Glide@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 326d
That's because they are.
No one understands what either one actually means, which in a way is fine, because neither side does even a reasonable job of describing a complex political beliefs. People select one to identify as the good guy, label the other the bad guy, and then dig in. I take issues with the authoritarians on both sides of this false dichotomy. Tankie, nazi, imperialist or neo-nazi, I don't care which side of the political spectrum they believe they identify with; fascists can fun off.
F_State@midwest.social · 1 pts · 325d
One means kings, one means no kings. We use the term Right to describe a set of political beliefs in which a societal elite rules and power & ideas flow from the top down. The further right you go, the smaller & more exclusive the elite gets, the steeper and stricter hierarchies get. The Left describes a set of political beliefs in which rule is shared or replaced with self rule, hierarchies are shallow or non-existent; power & ideas flow from the bottom up. The further left you go the less you're willing to compromise on those points and the more you start to see economic power as equivalent to political power.
F_State@midwest.social · 1 pts · 326d
The closest to a universal on the Left is opposition to hunger/starvation for any reason.
remon@ani.social · 1 pts · 326d
Not if you want to lose weight, that's a reason.
F_State@midwest.social · 1 pts · 326d
Context my dude. Hunger is a term we apply to people having insufficient food available while you're applying it out of context to the bodily sensation of being motivated to eat.
remon@ani.social · 1 pts · 326d
pilferjinx@piefed.social · 7 pts · 330d
What is actually important? ...
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 5 pts · 330d
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.
....Wait. 🤔 That's just the best things, not the important ones.
Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org · 2 pts · 330d
The points we can agree on for example. And the rise of what is against all of these points, aka. fascism.
Godric@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 330d
Rudee@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 330d
Well I support raising the blade of the guillotine on the wealthy, so clearly you're a centrist troll! /s
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 328d
None of those things are inherently left or right wing. You just don't know what words mean.
If you still support the system of private ownership of and control over capital/equity, where the allocation and distribution of goods/services is decided by the monetary-based markets for the goal of generating profit, you are inherently right-wing.
Godric@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 328d
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 328d
Congratulations for reaffirming you just don't have any concept of political theory.
Godric@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 328d
I love how this meme complains about pointless quarrelling while starting a quarrel with...
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The entire left! Like come on, you're not even practicing what you preach. You're not asking for unity, only trying to shame people into submission like the supposed smug leftists you're calling out.
Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org · 1 pts · 327d
Actually I'm just making fun of us. Being self-concious and self-ironic can be quite helpful. But I wont start a discussion about it.