Sadly, I agree. This is a hard-stop moment. Birthright citizenship was added by the 14th amendment in 1868 to give citizenship rights to the newly freed slaves. The amendment overruled Dred Scott v. Sandford, which held that black people could not be American citizens, either enslaved or free. The plain language of the amendment is clear and unambiguous, "All persons born . . . in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." It has consistently been construed as applying the principle of jus soli—right of the soil, as opposed to jus sanguinis—right of blood, which looks to the nationality of the parents to determine citizenship. Simply put, if you were born on American soil, you are an American citizen. Anything less than a unanimous decision rejecting Trump's efforts to destroy the Constitution would be deeply troubling. If birthright citizenship falls, there is no longer a binding Constitution.
If the regime designates someone as a dangerous Trans de Antifa leftist lunatic gang member, pretty sure I'm sure they'll soon propose to strip them of their citizenship even if they're 100% First Nation and deport them to Libya or wherever.
They can do whatever they want. They control the courts and every branch of government. So they're going to do whatever they want. The government is irreparably broken and anyone who thinks it isn't is either ignorant or delusional.
Because the conservative justices have signaled that precedence doesn't matter if they don't want it to. Maybe other judges need to follow suit to make a point...
The Supreme Court has been co-opted by MAGA. Haven't you heard?
They're Trump's rubber stamp. And all that for the price of a Winnebago for some justices. Who would have thought it would be so cheap to buy justice...
Sometimes I like to imagine what would happen if we got snapped into the alternate universe that isn't always doing the most stupid and terrible thing in the dumbest and most cruel way possible.
Well, they haven't gotten around to releasing those files yet. They're still working on it.
But they boldly released the Amelia Earhart files yesterday. And let me tell you: I can't wait to find out how this disgusting pervert abused underage airplanes, and who were her accomplices!
I mean, the language of the 14th Amendment couldn't be any clearer.
The 2nd Amendment, on the other hand, always mentioned the "well-regulated militia." When this is over, if SCOTUS decides the plain language of 14 doesn't matter, I guess it's time to seriously look at the public health emergency that is unregulated access to guns.
The Constitution is as good as the powers-that-be's willingness to abide by it. And right now, all it's good for is as toilet paper for Trump's ample ass.
It's weird they think they need a pretense for that since the 13th amendment legalizes slavery.
I've been saying since the beginning that they never planned on deporting every brown person. They were building their labor camps so they can use slave labor instead of having to pay illegals slave wages.
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spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works · 131 pts · 329d
At this point it would only be mildly surprising if the 6 evil fuckers on the Supreme Court declared the entire Constitution unconstitutional.
N0t_5ure@lemmy.world · 84 pts · 329d
Sadly, I agree. This is a hard-stop moment. Birthright citizenship was added by the 14th amendment in 1868 to give citizenship rights to the newly freed slaves. The amendment overruled Dred Scott v. Sandford, which held that black people could not be American citizens, either enslaved or free. The plain language of the amendment is clear and unambiguous, "All persons born . . . in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." It has consistently been construed as applying the principle of jus soli—right of the soil, as opposed to jus sanguinis—right of blood, which looks to the nationality of the parents to determine citizenship. Simply put, if you were born on American soil, you are an American citizen. Anything less than a unanimous decision rejecting Trump's efforts to destroy the Constitution would be deeply troubling. If birthright citizenship falls, there is no longer a binding Constitution.
RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world · 76 pts · 329d
I wonder how many of them will vote to void the constitution.
karashta@sopuli.xyz · 26 pts · 329d
I'm betting around 6
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 329d
I worry that I'll find out.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 53 pts · 329d
...with special exemptions for children of Slovenian gold diggers.
Gladaed@feddit.org · 9 pts · 329d
Why? They ain't talking about retroactivity are they?
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 30 pts · 329d
Do you want to take a bet on that?
If the regime designates someone as a dangerous Trans de Antifa leftist lunatic gang member, pretty sure I'm sure they'll soon propose to strip them of their citizenship even if they're 100% First Nation and deport them to Libya or wherever.
Illegal is what fascist regimes do.
Gladaed@feddit.org · 7 pts · 329d
Gonna do that with natural citizens anyway.
skeptomatic@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 329d
"(b) Subsection (a) of this section shall apply only to persons who are born within the United States after 30 days from the date of this order."
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 329d
Its not hyperbole to suggest that this is the end of the constitutional republic.
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 46 pts · 329d
This was already decided in United States v. Wong Kim Ark in 1898.
Why does the Regime get to try it again?
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl · 44 pts · 329d
They can do whatever they want. They control the courts and every branch of government. So they're going to do whatever they want. The government is irreparably broken and anyone who thinks it isn't is either ignorant or delusional.
Frozengyro@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 329d
They killed Roe v Wade, they will do anything they want.
3abas@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 329d
And the Dems moved on to Newsom making MAGA inspired merch. You need a revolution.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 19 pts · 329d
The sad thing about Newsom's trolling is that it's the only thing that works. That's what's truly pathetic.
3abas@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 329d
Yeah, it works at getting liberals to spend their money on ineffective nonsense...
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 328d
Instead of totally effectively not doing anything at all, including vote or show up.
zbyte64@awful.systems · 7 pts · 328d
Because the conservative justices have signaled that precedence doesn't matter if they don't want it to. Maybe other judges need to follow suit to make a point...
Geobloke@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 328d
Not saying I agree with it, but this is how they will try to reinterpret that case.
Note that this was published 2011 during Obama's term, presumably when arguing that he didn't have a long form birth certificate
https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/birthright-citizenship-fundamental-misunderstanding-the-14th-amendment
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 329d
American people ask the Supreme Court to allow end of Trump administration.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 30 pts · 329d
The Supreme Court has been co-opted by MAGA. Haven't you heard?
They're Trump's rubber stamp. And all that for the price of a Winnebago for some justices. Who would have thought it would be so cheap to buy justice...
ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 329d
Serious question, how is it possible that this guy is (still?) a judge at your highest court of justice?
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 10 pts · 329d
Same reason why the President is a convicted felon.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 328d
impeachment is the only way to remove supreme court justices. i don't know if it's ever been done.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 329d
Sometimes I like to imagine what would happen if we got snapped into the alternate universe that isn't always doing the most stupid and terrible thing in the dumbest and most cruel way possible.
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 328d
They were inclined to vote these ways anyway. The Winnebago money was just a sweetener.
toiletobserver@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 329d
Release the Epstein files
mudkip@lemdro.id · 7 pts · 329d
Needs to happen
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 3 pts · 329d
Well, they haven't gotten around to releasing those files yet. They're still working on it.
But they boldly released the Amelia Earhart files yesterday. And let me tell you: I can't wait to find out how this disgusting pervert abused underage airplanes, and who were her accomplices!
manxu@piefed.social · 19 pts · 329d
I mean, the language of the 14th Amendment couldn't be any clearer.
The 2nd Amendment, on the other hand, always mentioned the "well-regulated militia." When this is over, if SCOTUS decides the plain language of 14 doesn't matter, I guess it's time to seriously look at the public health emergency that is unregulated access to guns.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 4 pts · 329d
The Constitution is as good as the powers-that-be's willingness to abide by it. And right now, all it's good for is as toilet paper for Trump's ample ass.
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 329d
That's not how a Constitutional Republic works.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com · 18 pts · 329d
You think it's working right now?
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 329d
Fair point. But, it would be nice if he actually knew how it was supposed to work, even if just "in theory".
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 4 pts · 329d
In countries that have one, you're correct, it's not how it works.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 328d
This ends the same way fascist regimes always do.
They don't leave willingly and need to be forced out.
They can choose to end up like Hitler and Mussolini, or they can run away.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 329d
Doesn't that mean that Trump isn't a citizen?
Shit, my wife is actually technically safe from this one since she's 1/8 Native American, but is super white with red hair.
silence7@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 329d
Nah. It means that people wont be able to prove citizenship anymore, so they can just sell them into slavery or whatever
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 329d
It's weird they think they need a pretense for that since the 13th amendment legalizes slavery.
I've been saying since the beginning that they never planned on deporting every brown person. They were building their labor camps so they can use slave labor instead of having to pay illegals slave wages.
ghosthacked@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 329d
Paying illegals wasn't cheap enough. They had to try to go back to slavery. Far right folks are really nasty people aren't they
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 328d
Since when can an executive order or scotus decision just so nix a constitutional amendment?
ILoveUnions@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 326d
Constitutional amendments are like, explicitly a check against the supreme court. They can't... But that won't stop them.