With just over 24 hours before the government is set to shutdown, Donald Trump and congressional leaders from both parties emerged from a high-stakes White House meeting on Monday with no agreement, setting the stage for large swaths of the federal government to close after midnight Wednesday.
The impasse came after closed-door talks between the four top congressional leaders and Trump in the Oval Office, where lawmakers appeared to trade blame but make little progress towards a deal. “There are still large differences between us,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer told reporters after the meeting, claiming that Republicans refused to engage on their core demands around health care and restoring previous funding cuts.
“Their bill has not one iota of Democratic input,” he added, taking aim at a House-passed seven-week stopgap funding bill that Senate Democrats rejected last week. “That is never how we’ve done this before.”
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0ndead@infosec.pub · 145 pts · 314d
Trump wants this shutdown. He was never gonna deal.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 73 pts · 314d
It's a budget, he needs 50 votes and there's 53 senators with a R by their names...
If there's a shutdown it's cuz trump ordered it.
Schumer "negotiating" just makes it easier for idiots to blame it on Dems.
Mainstream media at large is acting like budget reconciliation isn't a thing...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)
trump doesn't need a single D vote in the House or Senate to pass a budget, he just doesn't want to
jacksilver@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 313d
This is a funding bill, which is different than the budget/reconciliation process. He needs 60 votes.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 313d
You think "budget reconciliation" which was literally invented to make sure a budget is passed...
Doesn't apply to the annual budget, which has been passed by budget reconciliation for like a decade straight?
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 313d
Budget reconciliation is the bill of sale, the funding measure is the credit card. They need 60 votes to get the credit card to pay the bill. This is the only negotiation tactic the dems have in their possession. That's why they are making their bones on the ACA funding. Tens of millions of Americans rely upon those subsidies to afford health insurance. The dems just have to make sure that the people know what's at stake. A job they are notoriously bad at.
ProfessorPeregrine@reddthat.com · 23 pts · 313d
Majority in House but 60 votes in Senate are needed to avoid a filibuster, which will require some Democrats.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 313d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)
But I mean, I literally quoted it last time and you still somehow missed it, so i guess it's on me if I get the same result....
jacksilver@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 313d
This is them passing the funding , it wouldn't be a reconciliation bill.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/13/politics/budget-resolution-reconciliation-spending-bills-explainer
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 313d
Did you and 14 other people just not read that?
It's literally about how budget reconciliation can only be used for budget related bills...
And the fucking annual budget is pretty obviously budget related
jacksilver@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 313d
From the link I provided
My understanding is that the budget resolution needs to pass before there can be a reconciliation bill.
Either way, if it really just required 50 votes, they would have done it already.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 313d
That's about as wrong as you can be...
Budget reconciliation was invented specifically for the budget... The Byrd rule is what is (hypothetically) used to prevent it being used for non budgetary bills.
Like, it's impressive you're able to be so completely and utterly wrong about this, unfortunately a lot of people also don't understand. Most likely because you're all still just listening to CNN and other billionaire owned media conglomerates instead of just looking it up.
Newsflash:
Billionaires care more about money than people. They're fine with a government shutdown and trump as long as profits go up.
They will lie to you
ech@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 313d
Wasn't that what they passed in July?
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 313d
All the more reason to use it once the new fiscal year starts....
If Schumer caves, they can abuse the rule and pass something 1000x times shittier under reconciliation.
They were able to pass that a few months ago, because they didn't use reconciliation for last year's budget, it was just a CR all year
Which is likely what will happen again, and why Schumer would be a giant fucking idiot to negotiate just so Republicans don't have to use it.
Like, good point, but it just brings us full circle.
Quick edit:
Because Senate can use reconciliation once a fiscal year
meco03211@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 313d
Is that simply a senate rule that can be bypassed with a simple majority?
CaptDust@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 314d
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 313d
No he doesn't. He needs to pay ICE agents. He needs the government to stay open.
Shutting the government down and keeping it shut down inhibits his ability to progress with fascism.
Shut the government down and what happens to the soldiers deployed to US streets?
No. Shut it the fuck down. Its idiotic to allow it to stay open.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 313d
I know some things continue to operate no matter what. I don't remember if ICE do. I'm sure border patrol continues to operate to some extent, but I have no idea to what degree. The same for the military. They still continue to some degree, but they have to scale down what jobs get done.
This is a long way to say, yes. I agree with you. However, it won't stop totally.
0ndead@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 313d
Don’t worry, the generals are there to step in and take over any dept Trump deems necessary.
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 314d
They have the majority. Should have told them to make a deal with themselves if they actually give a shit.
But controlled opposition, doing controlled opposition things, to maintain the illusion of democracy.
ysjet@lemmy.world · 96 pts · 313d
Time can go fuck itself for this bullshit headline. "Democrats leave White House with no deal"?
How about "Republicans refuse Democrat deal, setting stage for Republican Government shutdown"
Or maybe something like "Republicans Refuse To Give Americans Benefits and Medical they Pay For, Govenment Shutdown Imminent"
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 313d
It is pretty obvious, the narrative has been completely captured. All news only reports what these imbeciles say. No pushback, always giving them the deference.
This happened after 9/11 in a very pronounced way. No serious or widespread criticism was allowed in mainstream media. Although the government did apply some pressure it was mostly voluntary.
What do you do when all the pseudo rulling institutions capitulate to a tyrant willingly? What happen when the government becomes indistinguishable from the mob?
The answer is not much, because it has happened many times before already. People need to wake up.
boaratio@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 313d
We're so fucked.
timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 312d
Sanewashing in full force, yet again.
History books should note how everything tilted towards insanity led by a complicit media simply for the sake of money.
Won't change anything in the future surely but it'd be nice to note at least.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 82 pts · 314d
Americans will never miss their water until the well runs dry.
It's not that Americans are all racist, or all ignorant... it's that enough of them don't spare a thought to think things through until it effects them personally.
Theprogressivist@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 314d
Welcome to life in America. Where intelligence and common sense aren't so common. People will literally kill you so they can happily vote against their own interests.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 314d
Truth.
Living in Canada is like having crazy downstairs neighbours but for some reason one of our roommates keeps inviting them upstairs.
I have not been to the USA in a decade. Literally the only reason I'll ever, ever, return is to visit Casa Bonita in Colorado... ideally on a layover.
AWTM_James@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 314d
We made it in last October. Very well worth the visit, if you can get a reservation
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 314d
Glad to hear!
Any stories??
AWTM_James@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 313d
We sprung for the "premium seating." It was only maybe $10 more per person, but you get seated along the diving cliff so you can see the show better. And because we were one of the last tables of the night, we got lucky and ended up with the best table in the place, right next to/above the cliff divers. I'm not really sure how best to describe it, so it's a good thing I have video evidence 😅
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 313d
AWTM_James@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 313d
Well shit. I checked to see if it showed my name and it didn't seem to on my side 😮💨
blargh513@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 314d
Omg, I tried to get in there with almost a month planning ahead. NOPE.
You may need to find a local with whatever lifetime gold membership they sold. Bribe them to take you or something.
I had no idea it was so difficult to get in there. I signed up for the email where they will open a few times here and there, but as soon as the mail is sent, the reservations are gobbled up by the bots.
I wish you all the luck.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 314d
It's gonna be 3 years at least. I doubt I'd be getting the full experience visiting during the tariffs anyways.
thx for the heads up!
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 16 pts · 314d
This is true of people in general. While comfortable enough, or able to rationalize the discomfort away, people tend to not want to change. It takes a large shove to get people to act. Having a huge and diverse country with lots of built-in disconnects doesn't help.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 314d
Are you saying that diversity in a disconnected society can create more opportunities for conflict?
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 11 pts · 314d
It can, especially when there are systems in place to play upon those differences and fan flames, even create fires that wouldn't naturally erupt. Diversity is powerful, but can be used for good or bad purposes.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 314d
Totally. But yea the context of a disconnected society is important.
Psythik@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 313d
It affects me personally that you used the wrong form of "effect/affect".
crapwittyname@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 313d
I hope your comment effects a correction.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 313d
Republicans don’t want a deal. Then they can make up whatever they want about democrats and claim they’re the problem and maneuver for more power grabs.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 313d
They can (and do) do that anyway. I don't think that's the plan here. To the halfway reasonable people, Republicans control congress. This is on them. The minority party's job us to play hardball. To the people listening to whatever Republicans say without question, it doesn't matter. They can make up anything they want a blame democrats. This doesn't do anything for them.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 313d
This is a result of ideology becoming even more important to them than politics, I think.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 314d
Why are Democrats trying to make deals with fascists is the real headline.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 314d
TBF it is their job attend legislative sessions. I agree with the spirit of your comment.
To answer your question... clearly the weren't trying that hard.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 314d
I disagree. I would argue that their job is to represent their constituents. Sometimes that might involve attending legislative sessions. Other times that might involve intentionally not engaging with the opposition party, if that is in the best interests of the constituents.
Veedems@piefed.social · 5 pts · 313d
In this case, not engaging would mean intentionally choosing to shut down a government that has services that directly impact those constituents. Meeting with them is the bare minimum of their job.
I can’t imagine Trump had any good faith negotiations so it’s a fool’s effort, but it’s their job to try, nonetheless.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 313d
They should be shutting down the government. Not doing so is a derelection of their duty to their constituents and the constitution. Shutting down the government prevents DJT from doing more damage. Its a way the can actually stop/ stem the bleeding while being in the minority, and it would also show them having some spine.
Going into any kind of negotiations with Trump is idiotic. Its not their job to keep giving Trump everything he needs to destroy the country.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 314d
Well now you just sound impossible to please and completely ignorant of your own civic system.
Sorry.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 313d
I'm neither. I want the opposition party to be an opposition party when its important to do so, like it is now.
That means not trying to find common ground with fascists.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 313d
That's what they're doing. I'll be the first to gripe the DNC as a whole but the way you're mischaracterizing things is not helpful.
As per the article:
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 313d
Its not a mischaracterization to say I don't agree with what the Democrats are doing. They shouldn't be negotiating to keep the government open. Period. They can stop things from happening by shutting the thing down and preventing the real day to day damage. Don't open it back till after the midterms, and sure as shit don't do anything that Republicans will spin to help themselves.
I've been through two shut downs/ near shutdowns as a freddie. Its fine. Shut it down.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 313d
Yeah... that's how things work. What, should they just bring in guns and kill them all? No, their job is to get the best outcome they can get (in their opinion). You can let the Fascists do whatever they want or you can try to make it as painless as possible while they progress. I prefer the latter.
It's the citizenry's job to fight them. Legislators do what they can in congress to slow them down and we fight them where we can. Giving up all power in congress is stupid. It should be used as best as possible, which is not just giving up.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 313d
Let the federal government stay that way. Blue states should start picking up services where the federal government left off. And the feds don't need their tax money, either.
updn@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 313d
The Democrats caved to Trump the last time, they better not cave this time.
I think that's why Reps are gearing up for war. This could get nasty.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 313d
Going to be hard to get soldiers to fight for zero pay.
Triumph@fedia.io · 14 pts · 314d
Get ready for the coup.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 314d
What do they need a coup for? They control the whole damn thing.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 313d
The coup is us kicking them out of power.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 313d
They don't though, clearly. Republicans control congress, but Republicans clearly aren't a hive mind. A coup would put all power under the executive. It gives one person the power to make decisions where the party as a whole may disagree occasionally.
Also, mid terms are coming up. They very well may lose control of congress.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 313d
I think we can all safely say that Fetterman isn't a Democrat anymore. He should be ejected from the party.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 12 pts · 313d
yeah we all know trumps diplomatic skills he put on display at the un. Our country can survive if republicans grow a pair and impeach this guy.
easybre_bb@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 313d
Better headline, US government will shutdown because Republicans don’t want meet Democrat request for votes that are required to keep the government open, in exchange for allowing poor people or those in terrible situations to have a functioning health coverage safety net.
blave@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 314d
Who could have ever predicted this?
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 314d
The worst part is Trumps Cronies 100% expected this to be more difficult.
AmericanEconomicThinkTank@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 313d
What did anyone expect anything different?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 313d
Yes, I expected Democrats to spinelessly cave. Pleasantly surprised so far, though there's still time.
JHRD1880@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 313d
Good, let it shut down. Let the people know that Republicans can't govern and will 100% abandon them to protect Trump.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 313d
The Republicans shut down the government to prevent the release of the Epstein files.
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 313d
Genuine question, can't they just...not shut down?
khannie@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 313d
No. Someone may correct me if I'm wrong but they have an agreed debt ceiling and without an agreement raising it they're essentially out of money to fund federal stuff. I mean not really, but they are.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 313d
It's not like they honor the budget after they pass it anyways. Trump just comes in and says he's not paying it and the Republicans let him. Why bother with any deal like that
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 313d
Republicans want to believe they're the party of Fiscal Responsibility. They need at least some evidence to that affect, or else they lose their own perception of themselves. The debt ceiling is one of those.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 313d
They lost this a long time ago. At best, it is just a vestigial of the Republican party. A lame excuse everyone knows is a lie that they will trot out every once in awhile when they still find the need to show off their virtue against an opponent.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 313d
Yes, that's all correct. They still need to believe it about themselves.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 0 pts · 313d
Better question: can't we just fire the government and just live free?
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 313d
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 313d
Not a fan, but props to him for not caving (so far).
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 313d
"Anarchists celebrate and say let's keep it that way"
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 313d
Fuck MAGA
Shut it down!
Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 314d
Quelle surprise
billwashere@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 313d
Putin wants chaos so Trump and his gang deliver chaos.
OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 309d
When Republicans obstructed under Obama, it looked like a Republican shutdown because Obama intended to reach bipartisan compromise, they just didn't want him to accomplish anything of value.
This looks like a Republican shutdown because Trump announced at the beginning that they would NOT negotiate with Democrats at all and they should just vote for the Republican bill "just because".
This is the only time the Democrats have had leverage during the second Trump administration, so Trump needed to find some concessions to get their votes, and instead announced that he would give none. That's why this is the Trump shutdown.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 313d
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 314d
You need to pick a lane. Please tell me time.com editors have at least the brains god gave a gnat.