It's largely a made up story told well after the fact by several people, all of which are contradictory. I don't disagree with you, except that we don't really know how he acted. He may have been real, but he could have been a total ass and his followers just left that out.
The sermon on the mount is largely believed to have been delivered by the historical Jesus which was pretty cool stuff to say and which the modern Evangelical movement almost entirely ignores except for vague references to judgement which they misinterpret as it suits them
My favorite biblical conspiracy theory.
Simeon bar Yonah, was a fisherman until he became a disciple. Jesus had faith in him so he called him his rock, the steady foundation that could always be relied on. The Greek for rock is Petros. As it just so happens, Simeon was son of Yonah, as the prefix "bar" shows, in English it would be Simon "the Rock" Johnson.
And in case anyone is curious, Dwayne happens to mean fish hook. Also, the modern day Rock has a daughter called Simone, bringing us full circle. And thus we have proven biblical prophecy, or something, I'm not a quantum.
He also seemed to have hallucinations / schizophrenia, also got in a fight with Jesus’s brother in a temple in Jerusalem like 12 years after Jesus's death. At least this is some information we can scrape together.
Also shout out to a book called Zealot by Reza Aslan all about cobbling together an historic representation of the Jesus the man, from various pieces of evidence.
My favorite part has always been how all those middle eastern guys had total fucking British white guy names like Peter, and Paul, Timothy, Thomas, Andrew, fucking Bartholomew ( fucking Bart‽ Really‽), James, Philip. If you're stupid enough to go along with that horseshit, how in the fuck do you remember to breathe? Nobody that believes a word of the bible is qualified to operate metal eating utensils.
In case anyone wants them, here's one of the translations (we're changing alphabet, millenia, as well as language, so you're not going to get any consistency)
When you try to sell your horseshit story as the infallible word of god but you changed the names for audience palatability. Here's your plastic spoon.
Their names aren't infallible words of god. The infallible words are those spoken by Jesus and are the words in red (usually) in the bible.
Also the infallibility is only about the bible being a source for spiritual guidance. It's not considered infallible in things like science.
As another atheist I'm embarrassed for you if you don't know these things since you seem so adamantly against religion. Most atheists learn about religions so they don't look like idiots when they talk to people of faith and refute their religion.
"The Bible is infallible if and only if it makes no false or misleading statements on any matter of faith and practice."
Respectfully, I must disagree. Even a social media equivalent of a medical waste dump like reddit serves some minimal kind of a function. Those comments have Twitter cringe written all over them, if not Truth Social.
The name was Petros, which is the Greek translation of the arameic word Cephas, meaning rock, or stone. Andrew was Andreas, Philip was Philipos, and so on. The translators of the Bible changed the names to sound more relatable. Your lack of the most fundamental knowledge of history puts you in the category you so flavorfully defined.
Sure, sure, Fish, translation. Translation requires interpretation and as you say the names were changed to appeal to the target demographics. That's some infallible word of god alright. No better than King James's further alterations of your favorite fairytale.
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Taco2112@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 333d
It’s not surprising, it’s what cult leaders do all the time.
MotoAsh@piefed.social · 20 pts · 333d
Hey, in defense of Jesus, he's like the singlularly good thing about modern Christians... If only they acted like him, they'd be far more respected.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 333d
It's largely a made up story told well after the fact by several people, all of which are contradictory. I don't disagree with you, except that we don't really know how he acted. He may have been real, but he could have been a total ass and his followers just left that out.
MotoAsh@piefed.social · 5 pts · 333d
Yea, but that's also true of Muhammad and every other figure from history.
The point is their freaking namesake deity's prescription for behavior is infinitely more mature and respectable than them.
makyo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 333d
The sermon on the mount is largely believed to have been delivered by the historical Jesus which was pretty cool stuff to say and which the modern Evangelical movement almost entirely ignores except for vague references to judgement which they misinterpret as it suits them
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org · 4 pts · 333d
The guy that said that he didn't come to bring peace but to bring the sword?
The guy that said that everyone who isn't with him is against him?
The guy that said that compared to your feelings for him you should hate your parents, wife and children?
Christianity is rotten to the core.
Bigfishbest@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 333d
Mark 9:40 for whoever is not against us is for us.
Context is important when reading any historical text.
MotoAsh@piefed.social · 4 pts · 333d
Yes, Jesus is STILL better than his followers.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 333d
Lol yeah, even with all that baggage.
imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 333d
Jesus will always be Josh to me
massive_bereavement@fedia.io · 12 pts · 333d
Josh Christ or just Josh?
I mean, when other people will yell JESUS CHRIST! what do you cry out?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 333d
Josh the Oiled!
too_high_for_this@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 333d
Greasy Josh
watson387@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 333d
Just Yeshua...
massive_bereavement@fedia.io · 6 pts · 333d
Josh Yeshua?
Gork@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 333d
Yesh.
imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 333d
Joshua the Nazarene. It sounds better in Aramaic
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 333d
Cheese and crackers!
massive_bereavement@fedia.io · 3 pts · 333d
Also known as Cheese and Biscuits in the UK.
Sausage_Mahoney@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 333d
Ahh, the lost Gospel of Levi who is called Biff
dalekcaan@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 333d
Oily Josh and the greasy boys
Bigfishbest@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 333d
My favorite biblical conspiracy theory. Simeon bar Yonah, was a fisherman until he became a disciple. Jesus had faith in him so he called him his rock, the steady foundation that could always be relied on. The Greek for rock is Petros. As it just so happens, Simeon was son of Yonah, as the prefix "bar" shows, in English it would be Simon "the Rock" Johnson. And in case anyone is curious, Dwayne happens to mean fish hook. Also, the modern day Rock has a daughter called Simone, bringing us full circle. And thus we have proven biblical prophecy, or something, I'm not a quantum.
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 333d
Didn't that also happen to Paul or Saul or whatever his name was?
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 333d
He changed his name himself because he got brain damage from falling off a horse and decided to become a Christian
Kalothar@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 333d
He also seemed to have hallucinations / schizophrenia, also got in a fight with Jesus’s brother in a temple in Jerusalem like 12 years after Jesus's death. At least this is some information we can scrape together.
Also shout out to a book called Zealot by Reza Aslan all about cobbling together an historic representation of the Jesus the man, from various pieces of evidence.
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · -12 pts · 333d
My favorite part has always been how all those middle eastern guys had total fucking British white guy names like Peter, and Paul, Timothy, Thomas, Andrew, fucking Bartholomew ( fucking Bart‽ Really‽), James, Philip. If you're stupid enough to go along with that horseshit, how in the fuck do you remember to breathe? Nobody that believes a word of the bible is qualified to operate metal eating utensils.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 64 pts · 333d
... are you being serious right now?
The reason that those are British names are:
1 Because of Christianity's immense influence - native British names would be more like 'Æthelwulf' and 'Ecgberht'
AND
2 Because those names are heavily anglicized. 'Peter' coming from 'Petros', itself the Hellenized form of 'Cephas'.
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk · 32 pts · 333d
In case anyone wants them, here's one of the translations (we're changing alphabet, millenia, as well as language, so you're not going to get any consistency)
Jesus
Hebrew - Yeshua
Greek - Iesus
Simon (called Peter)
Hebrew - Shim'on, (surnamed Kefa/Kepha)
Greek - Petros
James, son of Zebedee
Hebrew - Ya'akov Ben-Zavdai
Greek - Iakōbos
John, son of Zebedee
Hebrew - Yochanan Ben-Zavdai
Greek - Iōannēs
Andrew
Hebrew - Andreas
Greek - Andreas
Phillip
Hebrew - Phillipos
Greek - Philippos
Bartholomew
Hebrew - Bar-Talmai
Greek - Bartholomaios
Matthew
Hebrew - Mattityahu
Greek - Matthaios
Thomas
Hebrew - T'oma
Greek - Thōmas
James, son of Alphaeus
Hebrew - Ya'akov Ben-Halfai
Greek - Iakōbos tou Alphaiou
Thaddeus
Hebrew - Taddai
Greek - Thaddaios
Simon the Canaanite
Hebrew - Shim'on the Zealot
Greek - Simōn ho Kananitēs
Judas Iscariot
Hebrew - Y'hudah from K'riot
Greek - Ioudas Iskariōtēs
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · -30 pts · 333d
Cool story bro, here's your plastic spoon.
MotoAsh@piefed.social · 6 pts · 333d
Your ignorance only proves how willfully fucking braindead YOU are.
Congratulations. You've played yourself.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 333d
This is a smooth sharks situation
Son_of_Macha@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 333d
How do YOU remember to breathe 😆
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 333d
Well to begin with I don't waste any brain power on having an imaginary friend. You people really are all mentally ill.
teft@piefed.social · 30 pts · 333d
Those aren’t their names in Hebrew. Those are their translated names. Like how Jesus isn’t called Jesus in Hebrew. He’s called Yeshua.
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · -23 pts · 333d
When you try to sell your horseshit story as the infallible word of god but you changed the names for audience palatability. Here's your plastic spoon.
teft@piefed.social · 21 pts · 333d
Their names aren't infallible words of god. The infallible words are those spoken by Jesus and are the words in red (usually) in the bible.
Also the infallibility is only about the bible being a source for spiritual guidance. It's not considered infallible in things like science.
As another atheist I'm embarrassed for you if you don't know these things since you seem so adamantly against religion. Most atheists learn about religions so they don't look like idiots when they talk to people of faith and refute their religion.
"The Bible is infallible if and only if it makes no false or misleading statements on any matter of faith and practice."
SalamenceFury@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 333d
This is why reddit atheists need to be shot into the sun
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 333d
Respectfully, I must disagree. Even a social media equivalent of a medical waste dump like reddit serves some minimal kind of a function. Those comments have Twitter cringe written all over them, if not Truth Social.
Son_of_Macha@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 333d
Don't forget to breathe dude.
Bigfishbest@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 333d
The name was Petros, which is the Greek translation of the arameic word Cephas, meaning rock, or stone. Andrew was Andreas, Philip was Philipos, and so on. The translators of the Bible changed the names to sound more relatable. Your lack of the most fundamental knowledge of history puts you in the category you so flavorfully defined.
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 333d
Sure, sure, Fish, translation. Translation requires interpretation and as you say the names were changed to appeal to the target demographics. That's some infallible word of god alright. No better than King James's further alterations of your favorite fairytale.