I wish we could have a community for science and not political bashing. Like, I get it, but it would be nice if you actually contributed to the conversation.
Where's your constructive contribution to the conversation? Be the change you want to see.
Anyway, this is a matter of US policy and thus it makes sense to discuss the issues of US policy. Republicans making laws that increase the likelihood of diseases is a fact.
I understand your point. And you are correct. But, there some wiggle room here because this is a regional problem only, in only a few countries, and that is caused by lax laws for food handling and preparation.
That the Republicans are actively dismantling the infrastructure and extorting the funding for science and driving a brain drain to other nations means I agree with the other person.
I wonder if wearing gloves during food prep is the answer.
Stay with me here
most infections are caused by by basic hygiene, scratching your hoo haw with hands that have touched other things, including other parts of your body.
you touch raw meat as part of food prep (and women do most of the cooking)
it’s well known and adopted that you need to wash your hands after touching raw meat, which ought to help prevent
fingernails. Slime from raw meat also gets under your fingernails and most of us do not wash that well.
We have a series of observations leading to germs under fingernails after handling uncooked food as a possible disease vector. If it is a significant vector, how do you prevent it? I doubt people will start washing hands to that level of detail, but you already have a lot of cooks wearing latex gloves during food prep which should prevent it in the first place
Sadly it won't help much if at all (that is why they are not required in professional kitchens per se)- people still touch things they should not and then touch these things ungloved.
Unironically, that might be the way. I used to have UTIs like every few months and now that I think about it, I haven't had one since going vegan in January.
None of that matters if you cook to biological extinction (e.g. 60C for 1 minute, there are food safety curves and that was a guess, look it up). There are viruses and spores that can cope, but if that were a general issue we'd all be dead...
Huh, what ? I mean it's really easy to sterilize food by cooking (meat or not, hence food safety curves, how long at what temperature kills all bacteria). If you want your fingers in it that's your issue.
Seriously. Sex is already dirty, help your partner by maintaining your hygiene. But seriously wash any raw meat you buy or butcher, and be careful of who cooks your food.
Edit: People assuming I don't keep a clean kitchen and that I wash raw meat under a running faucet.
I only learned that "Washing" meat was a thing from people saying "Washing your meat is actually bad". I never knew anyone to do this, and it sounds absurd to me.
Washing meat is pretty common in Chinese cooking. It’s not done over the tap however. Meat is fully immersed in cold water and soaked for a while, then pulled out, squeezed to drip-dry, then the water discarded. This helps to wash off any juices or blood and results in a cleaner taste. It can also help improve marinade results and further improve flavour (ostensibly by reducing the amount of off flavours).
That's very similar to what I meant lol. Not sure why everyone assumes it's bad to do. Like with a lot of things, there's a right way and a wrong way to do it.
I think 1 is inaccurate -- bacteria themselves (not just their excretions) can make you sick.
I think the idea is that the bacteria are supposed to be too cold to multiply and make their excretions by the time you cook the meat (and thus kill them off), so unless the meat is already spoiled, cooking alone would be fine.
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cheeseburger@piefed.ca · 45 pts · 297d
In case anyone's wondering, this is for USA; study done in California.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 297d
Don't fuck hamburger!
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 297d
With buns like that, the burger was askin’ for it.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 297d
How about with a condom?
spazzman6156@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 297d
Or at least cook it to a temperature of 165 f first (then probably let it cool)
Scolding7300@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 297d
T156@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 297d
Or chicken breasts. That's how you end up a greentext.
Spacehooks@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 296d
It was Spotted dick!
cheeseburger@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 297d
What about cheeseburger? 😘
Scolding7300@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 297d
Krudler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 297d
now you tell me
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 297d
Me, holding an entire ham between two buns:
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 296d
Women always get more UTIs because of the shorter urethras.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 39 pts · 297d
Bet the Republicans are going to change the law to increase the risk of this. They love spreading diseases.
Spacehooks@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 296d
They Servants of Nurgle, spreading his "blessings".
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · -18 pts · 297d
I wish we could have a community for science and not political bashing. Like, I get it, but it would be nice if you actually contributed to the conversation.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 20 pts · 297d
Where's your constructive contribution to the conversation? Be the change you want to see.
Anyway, this is a matter of US policy and thus it makes sense to discuss the issues of US policy. Republicans making laws that increase the likelihood of diseases is a fact.
limer@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 297d
I understand your point. And you are correct. But, there some wiggle room here because this is a regional problem only, in only a few countries, and that is caused by lax laws for food handling and preparation.
Catpurple@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 297d
That the Republicans are actively dismantling the infrastructure and extorting the funding for science and driving a brain drain to other nations means I agree with the other person.
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 297d
Yeah, I said I get it.
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 296d
You don't, though.
FenderStratocaster@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 296d
Ok, thanks.
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 296d
Totally. Yep. Love the sincerity. Huge fan.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 297d
Very few serious replies here, so I’ll try one …
I wonder if wearing gloves during food prep is the answer.
Stay with me here
We have a series of observations leading to germs under fingernails after handling uncooked food as a possible disease vector. If it is a significant vector, how do you prevent it? I doubt people will start washing hands to that level of detail, but you already have a lot of cooks wearing latex gloves during food prep which should prevent it in the first place
philpo@feddit.org · 6 pts · 297d
Sadly it won't help much if at all (that is why they are not required in professional kitchens per se)- people still touch things they should not and then touch these things ungloved.
There sadly are various studies proving this.
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 296d
In fact, while gloved, they touch more things they shouldn't and then some with fewer hand washings overall, so... Win. 🤢🫡
AA5B@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 296d
Bummer
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 296d
Yeah, they touch that too
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 3 pts · 297d
Just go vegetarian.
python@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 295d
Unironically, that might be the way. I used to have UTIs like every few months and now that I think about it, I haven't had one since going vegan in January.
astutemural@midwest.social · 1 pts · 295d
As an alternative, consider not eating meat.
MalReynolds@piefed.social · -7 pts · 296d
None of that matters if you cook to biological extinction (e.g. 60C for 1 minute, there are food safety curves and that was a guess, look it up). There are viruses and spores that can cope, but if that were a general issue we'd all be dead...
Ross_audio@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 296d
Prep occurs before cooking while the meat is raw.
Unless you're suggesting cooking our fingers after food prep I think I'll let someone else try that first.
MalReynolds@piefed.social · -3 pts · 296d
Huh, what ? I mean it's really easy to sterilize food by cooking (meat or not, hence food safety curves, how long at what temperature kills all bacteria). If you want your fingers in it that's your issue.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 296d
Excellent point, but unrelated
dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 297d
biofaust@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 296d
As an Italian I wonder: how do you manage that, not to say do it comfortably, without a bidet?
dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 296d
Either via the shower, or using sanitary wipes (e.g. Dude Wipes) when a shower is not available. In a pinch, a wet paper towel will help too.
EditsHisComments@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 297d
Seriously. Sex is already dirty, help your partner by maintaining your hygiene. But seriously wash any raw meat you buy or butcher, and be careful of who cooks your food.
Edit: People assuming I don't keep a clean kitchen and that I wash raw meat under a running faucet.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 40 pts · 297d
Washing meat is really just a good way to spread contamination around your kitchen, and mess up the meat. Wash your hands and prep surfaces, keep a clean kitchen, and cook the meat properly.
otp@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 297d
I only learned that "Washing" meat was a thing from people saying "Washing your meat is actually bad". I never knew anyone to do this, and it sounds absurd to me.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 297d
Washing meat is pretty common in Chinese cooking. It’s not done over the tap however. Meat is fully immersed in cold water and soaked for a while, then pulled out, squeezed to drip-dry, then the water discarded. This helps to wash off any juices or blood and results in a cleaner taste. It can also help improve marinade results and further improve flavour (ostensibly by reducing the amount of off flavours).
otp@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 295d
Oh damn, that makes a lot more sense. I feel like there should be a different word than "Washing" for that, haha
EditsHisComments@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 297d
That's very similar to what I meant lol. Not sure why everyone assumes it's bad to do. Like with a lot of things, there's a right way and a wrong way to do it.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 297d
Some people do run the tap over a piece of meat and splash juices all over the place, contaminating the kitchen.
EditsHisComments@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 297d
Yeah that's definitely the wrong way
AA5B@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 297d
Think of it this way
It can seem very compelling, it can seem like it ought to be true. It used to be commonly recommended.
otp@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 295d
I think 1 is inaccurate -- bacteria themselves (not just their excretions) can make you sick.
I think the idea is that the bacteria are supposed to be too cold to multiply and make their excretions by the time you cook the meat (and thus kill them off), so unless the meat is already spoiled, cooking alone would be fine.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 297d
Ya, dirty sex sounds fun but it smells funny and can lead to infection. It's not only smellz
otp@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 295d
Most washing is done under a running faucet, no? Or otherwise running water.
A_A@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 297d
::: spoiler obvious joke :
be careful to not contaminate your "meat" :::
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 296d
For a very brief period in 2020, men properly washed their hands. By 2025, barely 5% do, as before 2020.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 297d
muxika@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 297d
/ball-washing intensifies/
CheapPontoon@beige.party · 3 pts · 297d
@usernamesAreTricky
Never a meat inspector around when you need one.