Zenni’s Anti-Facial Recognition Glasses are Eyewear for Our Paranoid Age
https://www.404media.co/zennis-anti-facial-recognition-glasses-are-eyewear-for-our-paranoid-age/
https://www.404media.co/zennis-anti-facial-recognition-glasses-are-eyewear-for-our-paranoid-age/
85 Comments
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 233 pts · 307d
STOP CALLING IT PARANOIA! FFS, This stuff is being used to track people that go to protests.
404 needs to shove their paranoia and normalize using truth and real words and not hedging like CNN or something.
utopiah@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 307d
I don't disagree so curious, what would be your title instead?
chillpanzee@lemmy.ml · 73 pts · 307d
Zenni eyewear: the urban surveillance countermeasure you didn't know you need.
-or-
Why the feds and Wal Mart hate Zenni eyewear.
Dampyr@piefed.social · 25 pts · 306d
Or just to change the obnoxious adjective
"Zenni’s Anti-Facial Recognition Glasses are Eyewear for Our Dystopian Age"
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 306d
Replace "paranoid" with "highly surveilled." Just say what it is.
Easy swap out.
PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml · 57 pts · 307d
TonyOstrich@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 307d
You aren't wrong, but I still see two distinct benefits assuming there is an IR reflective or absorbent coating that can interfere with facial recognition.
Realistically will either of the above matter? Probably not. For it to be effective a large portion of the population would need to care about their privacy, or even their principles above convenience, which they usually don't. However, I can't control what other people do, only what I do. So in this kind of situation I do my best to be a good example of the behavior I would like to see from others and do my best to not contribute to the Prisoner's Dilemma or Tragedy of the Commons.
It's not much, arguably it's basically nothing, but it's what I have.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 307d
I would also distinguish between investigations and drag nets. If they're specifically looking into you and your business, then glasses won't help. If they just want to identify 90% of people at a pretes pretest, these may be useful.
TonyOstrich@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 306d
Great addition. That was what was kinda in my head, but I didn't state it explicitly.
evilcultist@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 307d
Some of those mean the more people that use anti facial recognition tools, the more effective they will be for everyone. So we should probably just encourage everyone to use it.
zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 307d
Which is why everyone should put stones in their shoes, especially if going to a protest. 🙂
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 307d
I'd strongly advise against doing this every day. I developed osteoarthritis in my 20s just from my feet being slightly misaligned. Walking wonky can very easily permanently wreck your joints.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 307d
Are you going to protests every day?
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 306d
They just said especially for protests, implying you'd best do it more often than that. Didn't want anyone to take them too literally.
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 306d
Even just protest shoes being different style then your normal ones probably make a difference. Different bag loadouts could affect it too.
chillpanzee@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 307d
Yeah, It's one tool in the toolbox. and it won't stop all those other things for sure, but products like this can help build awareness of the ubiquitous surveillance we live under. Awareness might eventually lead to policy change. So it's not a bad thing, and the article does describe the limitations and weaknesses.
Also, not for nothing, I saw a test on YouTube (Dr. John Padfield - Business Reform) where his tests showed that IR reflective hats worked better than glasses.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 306d
Best thing is to destroy all the cameras near your house.
deranger@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 307d
Yeah, you might as well turn off your antivirus and firewall seeing as those can be bypassed by a skilled actor anyways.
paequ2@lemmy.today · 41 pts · 307d
Here's an actual link to the tech: Zenni ID Guard
Gstocklein@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz · 23 pts · 307d
Pretty wild getting hit with a message to accept all cookies.
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 307d
Huh. I didn't get a notice to accept cookies. The only thing I have enabled in their stack is:
adn.cloudtags.pw.adn.cloudaffirm.com<----probably the culpritcdn1.affirm.com<----probably the culpritalgolia.nethf4kjv5rn3-dsn.algolia.netalgolianet.comhf4kjv5rn3-1.algolianet.comhf4kjv5rn3-2.algolianet.comhf4kjv5rn3-3.algolianet.comphlegmy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 305d
uMatrix?
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 305d
Ublock Origin with the 'I am an advanced user' option ticked at the bottom of the settings page. But uMatrix works similarly.
paequ2@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 306d
I agree it sucks.
But: Manage Cookies > select none > Confirm my choices
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 304d
Need something to mask your identity? Best I can do is send your info to 20 brokers.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 306d
Wouldn't trust the company selling it to be honest about it
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 33 pts · 306d
"All-in-one defense across the light spectrum —reflects near-infrared light, filters blue light, blocks 100% UV rays, and is light-adaptive for all-day comfort."
Apart from defending against facial recognition, this is really dope.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 304d
Holy shit. That's awesome.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 20 pts · 306d
Please dont link to paywalled articles, unless you paste the whole article contents in the post
zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 306d
Oops, sorry!
https://archive.ph/KxZ8M
Fourth@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 306d
Ty
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 306d
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trailee@sh.itjust.works · -9 pts · 305d
Providing the text or an archive link separately may be polite, but your request goes too far. If somebody shares a paywalled link that is on topic for the community, you have several options. You can ignore it and miss out, and be no worse off. You can find an archive copy yourself, and even share it in a comment to receive fake internet points. You can enjoy the discussion in the comments and maybe find other relevant links there. But you’re suggesting that the community is better off with fewer posts and less participation (“please don’t [post] unless”).
The community rules include
That’s a much nicer way of stating a preference to have OPs do the legwork. Please don’t discourage community participation.
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 305d
To be fair, the sidebar itself suggests copying the content over if they're paywalled. It's nuts that you've highlighted that, and then complained about a rephrasing of what it says.
trailee@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 305d
It’s nuts to me that you can’t see the nuance in the difference between “please don’t [post]” and “maybe copy [the article text] into the post”.
The “maybe” in there is doing a lot of work converting that into a suggested guideline rather than being a hard rule, and a polite request to follow the guideline is appropriate. But the nuance of “don’t post unless” is distinctly discouraging participation, and not appropriate.
webadict@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 305d
???
Why are you being so rude?
trailee@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 305d
???
I don’t think I’m being particularly rude here, but the reason why I’m engaging is that OP didn’t do anything wrong and I’m glad they made the post.
I dislike paywalls and registrationwalls as much as most people, but the overall lemmyverse isn’t large enough to discourage posters who link to interesting on topic content. That is rude.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 305d
Low effort posts harm our communities. Please don't encourage harmful participation
trailee@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 305d
At the time I’m submitting this one, this post has 77 comments, including a few with OP engaging in replies. There are several distinct healthy discussions that occurred in this post long before you complained that OP didn’t put in enough effort by violating 404’s copyright because you feel entitled to have a low-effort doomscrolling experience. OP isn’t the one hurting the community here.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 305d
People are commenting on a headline they can't read. Lots of misinformation follows. Yes, that's harmful
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 307d
So, how are these different that wearing a pair of very dark, wrap around sunglasses?
SmoothIsFast@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 306d
Those don't block infrared. They're basically transparent to it.
trailee@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 307d
I’ve been thinking for a little while that it might be interesting to build on a pair of glasses with a couple IR LEDs at either edge and a battery pack to light them up. I can’t decide if that would be good to wear to a protest because the glare would likely obscure your entire face to cameras, or if it would be a bad idea because you’d stick out immediately on any surveillance.
specialwall@midwest.social · 12 pts · 307d
That would probably be more effective as a form of protest against such technologies.
prex@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 307d
Yeah but:
https://xkcd.com/1105/
trailee@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 306d
So you’re saying we need to make plans and soldering parties with all of our new friends. That’s a good plan, actually.
ToastMaster@eviltoast.org · 6 pts · 307d
DIY hoodie https://www.popsci.com/technology/camera-shy-hoodie-privacy/
These glasses are pricey tho, so maybe DIY based on the hoodie https://www.reflectacles.com/#home
trailee@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 306d
That’s awesome, thanks for sharing!
tgcoldrockn@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 306d
a character in the new DEXTER uses this
Auli@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 307d
I don't even know if it would work. Most cameras have an IR filter they use during the day.
recklessengagement@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 306d
There's another site that sells actual privacy sunglasses (full IR blocking + reflective frames) but they've been sold out for months.
theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 306d
Reflectacles?
I've had two pairs of these I bought years ago but unfortunately lost one pair. Chatted with the guy when I bought them and he seemed like a sound guy. I hope being sold out means his business is doing well!
Only issue I have with them is they aren't really wide enough and I have a small head. Not that they fit badly, they aren't too tight but the design looks too small on my face that it looks a bit comedic tbh.
They are also really nice to drive in at night as they stop you from being blinded by the absurdity that is modern headlights.
recklessengagement@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 306d
I've had my eye on them for ages and would love to get a set. And that's such a good idea! For the night driving do you use the light lenses or the dark lenses? High beams are the bane of my existence...
theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 306d
The ones I use are the light lenses. They are yellow in colour and so don't drastically decrease the light your eyes are getting like a darker glass might but tales away that glare.
I recommend giving it a try if you can!
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 305d
Version alpha
root@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 307d
So, these actually work great when IR is used (for example you won't be able to unlock your iPhone when wearing them), however my question is, does this help at all when just a normal photo is taken? You can wear these, have a 'normal' photo taken and it just looks like you're wearing standard glasses. That could then be fed through CV, etc?
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 307d
Article says no.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 307d
Ma'am, this is the Internet. That's the last place I would think of checking. If it ain't in the headline, it didn't happen.
grue@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 307d
Especially when the article is paywalled (or at least login-walled).
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 306d
Most of us can't read the article.
We can read fine. The site linked-to by OP is paywalled, and they didn't do the minimum courtesy of copying and pasting the article contents into the Lemmy post.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 306d
Just google “bypass paywall”, there’s several sites that you can enter a URL and they’ll link you to common ways to bypass paywalls (usually by directing you to a site that archives news stories).
https://archive.is/20251027135740/https://www.404media.co/zennis-anti-facial-recognition-glasses-are-eyewear-for-our-paranoid-age/
Archive.is is a good site to try first. It typically doesn’t get articles from major news sources for a few hours after publication, but most everything else is available pretty much as soon as it is published.
There’s so many of these paywall-lite sites now, it’s hard to read news without knowing how to bypass these paywalls.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 0 pts · 305d
Those sites don't work. They're locked behind cloudflare and ban access for hardened browsers.
Just fucking paste it. Or don't post it.
NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 307d
I can unlock my phone while wearing them.
[edit]
-I don't rely on biometrics, though.
root@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 307d
Is it an iPhone? They use IR to map your face where as (AFAIK) most Android just use CV, which is kinda my point. These would only help when IR is involved.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 306d
CV = Computer Vision?
root@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 306d
Computer vision * sorry
altphoto@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 306d
Canadian computing...
mctoasterson@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 307d
I like the idea, but don't just buy these assuming you're good to go, and then walk around with a normie iPhone or Android device that phones home constantly with your precise location and device ID, SIM information etc.
There is always at least some error rate and deniability in probabilistic matching by something like facial recognition. There is a lot less deniability of your specific device ID, tied to your real identity (thanks to KYC laws), being in X location at Y time.
artyom@piefed.social · 5 pts · 307d
I actually recently bought a pair of Zennis and saw this advertising before it made the rounds in the media. The advertising was extremely generic in describing how it worked.
So this is it? Just IR blocking? Like, your eyes are not your whole face. Put a pair of sunglasses on and achieve the same thing...
deranger@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 307d
The idea is it reflects IR and blows out the exposure.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 307d
But IR Is only on during low light conditions.
deranger@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 307d
I’m just pointing out that it’s not IR blocking, it’s IR reflecting.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 306d
The sun emits IR in non low light conditions
artyom@piefed.social · -5 pts · 307d
Prove it
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 306d
I agree with your sentiment. Security is trust but verify kind of field and some proof from a third party to kind of audit this claim would be great.
Also it's not the guy you linked to jobs lol
MalReynolds@piefed.social · 3 pts · 306d
Nope, security is an archetypal verify before trust kind of field.
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 306d
You I guess it more depends on the threat model. That can also be a fully valid stance as well
deranger@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 307d
Prove what? I’m merely relaying the info from the article you didn’t read.
artyom@piefed.social · -7 pts · 307d
...what you said? That these lenses reflect IR and blow out the exposure.
...the paywalled article? Yeah, didn't read it.
socsa@piefed.social · 4 pts · 306d
It kind of has a red tinted layer which creates red blobs in quite a lot of different lighting conditions. Even with non IR photography, if you are standing outside or under bright lights there's a good chance any pictures will end up with red artifacts in the lenses, partially or completely obscuring your eyes.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 307d
Videos testing these glasses show that face-id doesn't work when wearing them. This demonstrates that (at least for Apple), covering your eye area is enough to defeat IR-based facial recognition.
taiyang@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 307d
Oh, I tend to grab Zenni glasses every couple of years and saw that option. I opted against since I didn't think they were much more than a gimmick, but also at time (and probably still is) they were not compatible with the kind that auto tint in the sun.
I'm also pretty sure if I do get tracked, they have my phone and my unique appearance. I'm not sure someone of my height and build is going to be able to Luigi someone.
Scolding7300@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 307d
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org · 3 pts · 306d
Do i have to wear glasses because of some glassholes now? What a time to be alive
Scolding7300@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 305d
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 306d
Who is Matthew Gault?
CheerfulPassionFruit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 306d
He used to host the cyber podcast at vice, and now also hosts the angry planet podcast. He is also a guest contributor to 404.
1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 306d
thank god i don't need glasses.