Thunderbird since forever. Before that, Seamonkey and the Mozilla suite.
There are some changes I didn't like over the years like the tabbed interface for everything, but nothing else ever came along that worked as well and was multi-platform.
PGP integration? Thunderbird has in-built support for PGP, isn't it?
BTW, most of my incoming emails are routed (and encrypted) via addy.io and never faced any issue in opening encrypted (and signed) emails in Thunderbird.
I use msync and notmuch, to provide Google-like tagging and searching, and to keep a local email cache so it's faster, but aerc supports boþ notmuch and IMAP, so you get boþ.
Geary is very polished and shiny. I ended up not using it because I have a lot of folders, automatic rules to sort things, different signatures and addresses and some of the advanced email stuff isn't in there. But definitely worth a look for someone with a simpler private email inbox. And so much more intuitive to use than for example Thunderbird.
If you want a GUI, I was using Evolution before aerc and I was happy with it. I just prefer keyboard navigation which naturally is well supported by any TUI application.
I use AERC. TUI that is just so painfully easy to use. integrates with whatever editor you use like vim or emacs or whatever. Account setup is a breeze via a config file thus making it easy to backup. I have it in my nix config so whenever I take my nixos anywhere or reinstall it I instantly have my email ready to go.
Came to say this. I was a Thunderbird user like we all but it started to annoy me with tabs and too many features. I gave Evolutiona a try and haven't looked back since. It's as simple and solid as the Email protocol, with build in contacts, tasks and calendar. I'm managing a hand full of email addresses with it, it's responsive, no bells nor whistles, perfect for me!
How about isync + notmuch + afew + alot + msmtp? gpg decryption not directly supported but using alot's pipeto it can be used to decrypt messages. As using notmuch as indexer it's flow is pretty similar/compatible to/with gmail.
Do you really use all of those? I don't see the point in using so many tools when there are many standalone programs that can accomplish the same task.
It depends on your preferences of course. Notmuch offers a way fast indexer you can't get with traditional gui applications, but by itself it's not pretty useful, however the integration with other tools makes it really powerful, with afew you get your personal tagging when messages arrive (filters), with alot you just get the email frontend. If you like the terminal experience, then you'd know you need something extra for smtp (writing emails) and there you have for example msmtp. It's a matter of choice. I mentioned notmuch since the traditional approach to the terminal is plain neomutt, but there are alternatives. isync (mbsync) actually interacts well with neomutt but it also does it with notmuch, and neomutt can be used as a frontend for notmuch as well. A matter of choices.
The thing with solutions like thunderbird is that you have to adhere to their design decisions. For example I don't like their librnp implementation, and I had to create alpm hooks on artix to keep updating such library with sequoia-octopus-librnp, not because I like rust (I don't dislike it either), but because at least I can keep just one keyring, and thunderbird when not having a master password (the default) keeps its keyring unencrypted, and I pretty much see no reason not to use gnupg. So I decided I better kept using gnupg's keyring and stuff. Integrating different tools designed for specific purposes you have more freedom of choice. At any rate that's how unix was conceived, and you can choose to do it that way if you want.
what is this, is it anything like Delta Chat? (i.e. the UI of a chat app but using email for sending/receiving messages)
I've been trying out Delta Chat for messaging my family. It's a bit kludgy and messy though, at least when interacting with others who are using regular email clients. For instance, it sometimes sends multiple emails rather than bundling it up as one.
Nice, I'll give it a whirl. Their their website says, "ArcaneChat is a Delta Chat client" so maybe it deals with the issues I've had better.
bug reporting
I'm looking for projects I can contribute to in some way, so definitely not averse to bug reporting. From some discussions on the forum, the way I'm using it isn't really supported and they're really aimed at people who want to chat securely without being tied to proprietary networks. But I'm certainly not the only one who would prefer not to use proprietary chat protocols like WhatsApp, but there's just too many other people I'd have to convince to switch to yet another chat app. Delta Chat / ArcaneChat really seem to offer a way forward for people like me, but the chat experience for people using regular email clients has to be very good - people get annoyed quickly if they receive 5 emails in a row each containing a single picture followed by a 6th email that just contains text (which is how my attempt at a message sharing some photos came through for email users)
cool that you are of a mind to contribute to the projects you rely on.
i am personally curious now: are you using another email provider for chatting with other's regular email addresses? i imagine the deltachat programs are optimized for use with chatmail addresses exclusively- and other email providers either playing nice with open standards or not. for example i hear there is a hassle tuning things to fit proprietary email providers.
yes I'm using my regular email and messaging family members using theirs.
It's working fine, except for the occasional issue like I mentioned, i.e. sending multiple emails for one message.
I don't know what it's doing about encryption - it seems to use it when it knows the other party supports it, but that's not my priority at this point, my aim is to encourage people to move off WhatsApp (this is what all my chatting takes place on). I'm kind of using the family chat as guinea pigs really.
here's an address to a sockpuppet account i just made using ArcaneChat and the official chatmail servers, for anyone's interest in testing it out in vitu
Easiest way is use Tuta as a backup email for an IMAP-compatible email provider working with Delta. That way you don't need any real phone #s or emails and nothing links back to one identity
Any halfway decent desktop email client will do the job—people have already listed several. I use claws-mail, but getting it to work with GMail involves the computer equivalent of doing a triple backflip through a hoop, so you may want to go with something more common.
I've tried Vivaldi mail. Might be something for you, but I just didn't like the UI so I'm also still using the web interface for each. Looking forward to seeing others answer as well.
Vivaldi is great IF you don't use the web UI. outside of that it's fast and decent. I still use my Vivaldi email account from when I used to use the browser. now I just use it in aerc as a sort of 'junk drawer' email.
I don't. That's the entire point about having different mailboxes in the first place : they stay isolated and I manage notifications (or not) exactly how I want, when I want.
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harmbugler@piefed.social · 76 pts · 298d
I use Thunderbird.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 298d
Sometimes you just cant beat the classics.
youngGoku@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 298d
Especially when the classic Thunderbird was just overhauled with modern UI
turbowafflz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 298d
(Which you can disable, luckily. I still use the classic layout with the table of emails on top and the selected email below)
ohlaph@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 298d
Oh, I didn't know they did an overhaul, I'll check it out!!
SOULFLY98@slrpnk.net · 29 pts · 298d
Thunderbird since forever. Before that, Seamonkey and the Mozilla suite.
There are some changes I didn't like over the years like the tabbed interface for everything, but nothing else ever came along that worked as well and was multi-platform.
Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 298d
Thunderbird.
It is the worst email client besides all the alternatives
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 298d
I like Betterbird, I find it slightly more less worst.
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 298d
Betterbird
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 297d
Thunderbird
mikedd@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 297d
Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 297d
Thunderbird - on my PC and Mobile... Always worked flawlessly - both with my different mail-services and my own domain name mail server...
redxef@feddit.org · 12 pts · 298d
Starfighter@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 298d
Interesting, GPG has been working just fine for me so far.
My main issue with it remains that barely anyone else uses GPG.
KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 298d
PGP integration? Thunderbird has in-built support for PGP, isn't it?
BTW, most of my incoming emails are routed (and encrypted) via addy.io and never faced any issue in opening encrypted (and signed) emails in Thunderbird.
redxef@feddit.org · 1 pts · 297d
Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de · 10 pts · 298d
Good ol Thunderbird
thingsiplay@beehaw.org · 9 pts · 298d
Thunderbird. I even use Thunderbird as my RSS reader too.
KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 298d
Off-topic: For RSS feed, you might want to have a look at Miniflux[1] if your also into self-hosting.
[1] https://github.com/miniflux/v2
balsoft@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 298d
aercSxan@piefed.zip · -2 pts · 298d
Þis is þe way.
I use msync and notmuch, to provide Google-like tagging and searching, and to keep a local email cache so it's faster, but aerc supports boþ notmuch and IMAP, so you get boþ.
tuck182@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 297d
I'm almost disappointed to learn you don't use Þunderbird.
Sxan@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 297d
On Android, I do.
oeuf@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 298d
I really respect your comittment to using þorns here, even though it means people probably down vote you because they don't know what's going on.
Just wanted to let you know. Keep it up :)
Sxan@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 298d
Cheers!
oyo@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 297d
The people downvoting absolutely know what's going on.
oeuf@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 296d
Why are they downvoting then?
Gueoris@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 298d
As a Gnome/GTK enthusiast, I really love Geary. I think it’s the email client that integrates best with the Gnome environment!
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de · 6 pts · 298d
Geary is very polished and shiny. I ended up not using it because I have a lot of folders, automatic rules to sort things, different signatures and addresses and some of the advanced email stuff isn't in there. But definitely worth a look for someone with a simpler private email inbox. And so much more intuitive to use than for example Thunderbird.
BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 297d
Same! Geary is really nice, especially if you're trying to spend less time on the internet. It does one thing, really well: read and write emails.
Unfortunately I'm not ready to simplify my life like that I guess.
ubergeek@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 298d
Thunderbird and neomutt.
hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org · 7 pts · 298d
seamonkey and thunderbird are both good
fratermus@lemmy.sdf.org · 6 pts · 298d
Evolution.
communism@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 298d
aerc+mbsync+notmuch
If you want a GUI, I was using Evolution before aerc and I was happy with it. I just prefer keyboard navigation which naturally is well supported by any TUI application.
gi1242@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 298d
RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 298d
Betterbird
ringpop@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 297d
why is your name red?
RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 297d
Bcs i'm a server admin on dbzer0
rozodru@pie.andmc.ca · 5 pts · 298d
I use AERC. TUI that is just so painfully easy to use. integrates with whatever editor you use like vim or emacs or whatever. Account setup is a breeze via a config file thus making it easy to backup. I have it in my nix config so whenever I take my nixos anywhere or reinstall it I instantly have my email ready to go.
swelter_spark@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 297d
I use FairEmail on phone and Sylpheed on desktop.
merde@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 298d
claws ☞ https://www.claws-mail.org/
nope@jlai.lu · 5 pts · 298d
I like evolution a lot
Teppichbrand@feddit.org · 3 pts · 298d
Came to say this. I was a Thunderbird user like we all but it started to annoy me with tabs and too many features. I gave Evolutiona a try and haven't looked back since. It's as simple and solid as the Email protocol, with build in contacts, tasks and calendar. I'm managing a hand full of email addresses with it, it's responsive, no bells nor whistles, perfect for me!
kixik@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 298d
How about isync + notmuch + afew + alot + msmtp? gpg decryption not directly supported but using alot's pipeto it can be used to decrypt messages. As using notmuch as indexer it's flow is pretty similar/compatible to/with gmail.
PumpkinDrama@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 297d
Do you really use all of those? I don't see the point in using so many tools when there are many standalone programs that can accomplish the same task.
kixik@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 297d
It depends on your preferences of course. Notmuch offers a way fast indexer you can't get with traditional gui applications, but by itself it's not pretty useful, however the integration with other tools makes it really powerful, with afew you get your personal tagging when messages arrive (filters), with alot you just get the email frontend. If you like the terminal experience, then you'd know you need something extra for smtp (writing emails) and there you have for example msmtp. It's a matter of choice. I mentioned notmuch since the traditional approach to the terminal is plain neomutt, but there are alternatives. isync (mbsync) actually interacts well with neomutt but it also does it with notmuch, and neomutt can be used as a frontend for notmuch as well. A matter of choices.
The thing with solutions like thunderbird is that you have to adhere to their design decisions. For example I don't like their librnp implementation, and I had to create alpm hooks on artix to keep updating such library with sequoia-octopus-librnp, not because I like rust (I don't dislike it either), but because at least I can keep just one keyring, and thunderbird when not having a master password (the default) keeps its keyring unencrypted, and I pretty much see no reason not to use gnupg. So I decided I better kept using gnupg's keyring and stuff. Integrating different tools designed for specific purposes you have more freedom of choice. At any rate that's how unix was conceived, and you can choose to do it that way if you want.
bluemoon@piefed.social · 2 pts · 297d
unix philosophy
kepix@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 297d
fairmail on phone, postbox on pc
bluemoon@piefed.social · 4 pts · 297d
ArcaneChat on mobile
MouldyCat@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 297d
what is this, is it anything like Delta Chat? (i.e. the UI of a chat app but using email for sending/receiving messages)
I've been trying out Delta Chat for messaging my family. It's a bit kludgy and messy though, at least when interacting with others who are using regular email clients. For instance, it sometimes sends multiple emails rather than bundling it up as one.
mistermodal@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 297d
Cool cuban dev adds features that generally come to delta chat shortly afterward
bluemoon@piefed.social · 2 pts · 297d
fork in close relation with DeltaChat!
cleans up some cludge for some smoothness instead :3
maybe those issues you're having will go away after some bug reporting? /genuine encouragement, neutral tone
MouldyCat@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 297d
Nice, I'll give it a whirl. Their their website says, "ArcaneChat is a Delta Chat client" so maybe it deals with the issues I've had better.
I'm looking for projects I can contribute to in some way, so definitely not averse to bug reporting. From some discussions on the forum, the way I'm using it isn't really supported and they're really aimed at people who want to chat securely without being tied to proprietary networks. But I'm certainly not the only one who would prefer not to use proprietary chat protocols like WhatsApp, but there's just too many other people I'd have to convince to switch to yet another chat app. Delta Chat / ArcaneChat really seem to offer a way forward for people like me, but the chat experience for people using regular email clients has to be very good - people get annoyed quickly if they receive 5 emails in a row each containing a single picture followed by a 6th email that just contains text (which is how my attempt at a message sharing some photos came through for email users)
bluemoon@piefed.social · 2 pts · 297d
maybe! =)
cool that you are of a mind to contribute to the projects you rely on.
i am personally curious now: are you using another email provider for chatting with other's regular email addresses? i imagine the deltachat programs are optimized for use with chatmail addresses exclusively- and other email providers either playing nice with open standards or not. for example i hear there is a hassle tuning things to fit proprietary email providers.
MouldyCat@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 297d
yes I'm using my regular email and messaging family members using theirs.
It's working fine, except for the occasional issue like I mentioned, i.e. sending multiple emails for one message.
I don't know what it's doing about encryption - it seems to use it when it knows the other party supports it, but that's not my priority at this point, my aim is to encourage people to move off WhatsApp (this is what all my chatting takes place on). I'm kind of using the family chat as guinea pigs really.
bluemoon@piefed.social · 2 pts · 297d
applause that you move your family off of those exploitative spywares!
bluemoon@piefed.social · 1 pts · 297d
here's an address to a sockpuppet account i just made using ArcaneChat and the official chatmail servers, for anyone's interest in testing it out in vitu
Contact me on ArcaneChat:
https://i.delta.chat/#992AB3B1F0583AE4098AF213844A867C0BCD1F79=&a=cwt7u93s7%40arcanechat.me&n=bluemoon&i=hUw4EPwhDYp5dwp9GuZGlYZs&s=I_EGeOzvWKqA6ZZ-2nZiZfh5
mukt@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 297d
Does it work for gmail, yahoo, etc ?
bluemoon@piefed.social · 2 pts · 297d
stop using those oppressive email providers already??
idk if those billionare monopolies let you use IMAP & POP
try anything else- like StartMail, from dutch GDPR championing StartPage organization
mistermodal@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 297d
https://providers.delta.chat/
mistermodal@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 297d
Easiest way is use Tuta as a backup email for an IMAP-compatible email provider working with Delta. That way you don't need any real phone #s or emails and nothing links back to one identity
https://providers.delta.chat/
mistermodal@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 297d
Bröther...
KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 298d
Thunderbird
nyan@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 298d
Any halfway decent desktop email client will do the job—people have already listed several. I use claws-mail, but getting it to work with GMail involves the computer equivalent of doing a triple backflip through a hoop, so you may want to go with something more common.
Militias@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 298d
I've tried Vivaldi mail. Might be something for you, but I just didn't like the UI so I'm also still using the web interface for each. Looking forward to seeing others answer as well.
rozodru@pie.andmc.ca · 1 pts · 298d
Vivaldi is great IF you don't use the web UI. outside of that it's fast and decent. I still use my Vivaldi email account from when I used to use the browser. now I just use it in aerc as a sort of 'junk drawer' email.
stsquad@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 298d
mu4e inside my Emacs session.
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 298d
Also Thunderbird, but specifically the Betterbird fork.
It works well, its fast, its lightweight (like 100-200MB of RAM), and has lots of features.
I also have my calendar in it.
utopiah@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 297d
I don't. That's the entire point about having different mailboxes in the first place : they stay isolated and I manage notifications (or not) exactly how I want, when I want.
melroy@kbin.melroy.org · 2 pts · 298d
At this point I'm thinking of creating my own client haha.
I believe MailSpring is really powerful. But some advanced features are behind a pro account. MailSpring itself is open source.
BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 297d
Kmail on Android, Evolution on laptop.
Evo is a little clunky looking but it integrates calendar, contacts, and does PGP seamlessly using Gnome's key manager.
ChocolateFrostedSugarBombs@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 297d
I use Mailspring. Thunderbird was crashing a lot for me a few months ago but I had used TB for a long time so I will probably move back to it soon.
OmarTwoTone@lemmy.org · 1 pts · 296d
KMAIL
waldo_was_here@piefed.social · 1 pts · 298d