Megyn Kelly questions whether Jeffrey Epstein's desire for “very young teen types” made him a pedophile
https://www.mediamatters.org/megyn-kelly/megyn-kelly-questions-whether-jeffrey-epsteins-desire-very-young-teen-types-made-him
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Sunflier@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 281d
Okay conservatives, ask yourself: are those young girls not the very people you seek to protect from the transgender persons? Like, if you're fine with the shit that tRump and Epstein pulled with kids because that level of depravity is suddenly okay, then you must clearly be fine with kids peeing in the stall next to a transgender person or seeing a transgender person wash their hands. After all, seeing a transgender person wash their hands is nothing compared to the now-not-a-risk from the pedophile-in-chief.
Oh, it's never been about protecting children? It's just been about hate?
tym@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 281d
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 38 pts · 281d
Ephebephilia or possibly hebephilia rather than pedophilia, but the distinction is moot, because non-psychology litterate people mean all minors when they say pedophile.
missingno@fedia.io · 39 pts · 281d
Ephebophile (noun): A pedophile with a thesaurus.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 281d
Or a Psychology litterate with the DSM-V
themeatbridge@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 281d
This is one of those technical distinctions where if you're making the distinction, you're already on the wrong side of everything.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 281d
Psychology and precision in language using the diagnostic terminology of the DSM V is on the wrong side of everything?
No one is excusing or belittling anything. People who hurt children must fry.
themeatbridge@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 280d
Yeah, if you're quoting the DSM V to defend yourself as technically not a pedophile, then yes you've crossed the rubicon of decency.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 280d
I'm not defending anyone from anything. Your repeated, blatent and misguided attempts to mischaracterise what's being said makes me think "He doth protest too much.".
It's the litteral terminology from the diagnostic manual from the APA. You may want to book an appointment.
themeatbridge@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 280d
I'm not suggesting you're doing it specifically. I'm saying generally if you feel the need to make that distinction in your normal day to day life, you're almost certainly a sexual predator.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 280d
Or any number of psychology related or adjacent professions, or just well read.
What is really really weird is that you seemingly equivocate ephebephilia and hebephilia as some lesser crime. They are all equally child abuse. There is no lesser crime being implied here. All punishable the same. All irreperably damaging to the victims.
You got some serious issues to work out. Imagine a courtroom where the lawyer present evidence of the accused stabbing someone, then you stand up in the gallery and scream accusing the lawyer of being a murderer because he said the accused stabbed the victim, rather than shot the victim. Ridiculous right? That's what you're doing.
Your saying generally that being correct, accurate and precise with the nature of the crime means the lawyers, judge, medical practitioners testifying and anyone with a loose awareness of standards and terminology are murderers in my analogy.
Did you know there is an entire section in wikipedia on various forms of chronophilia You better report the researchers, the writers of the articles, the publishers of textbooks, the entire psychology profession and anyone who clicked that link for sex crimes against children.
Your bigotry is insane. Get help.
themeatbridge@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 279d
Ok, you caught me. I'm prejudiced against pedophiles and pedophile enablers, and I'm not sorry. If that offends you, I assume you're a member of one of those two groups, and I don't want to continue talking with you. I suppose that's a sort of bigotry, but I'm not really worried what you think or what offends pedophiles and pedophile enablers.
snooggums@piefed.world · 9 pts · 281d
Just like the difference between a scientific theory and a layman's theory!
sheridan@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 280d
Can't wait to try these words at the next Scrabble game.
tal@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 281d
Another technical aspect: all of the philias relate to attraction to something, rather than having sex with it.
One could have necrophilia and yet never have sex with a corpse or not have necrophilia and still have sex with a corpse.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 281d
Yep. I don't care if he's a pedophile, not, or something else entirely. He is a rapist and child sexual abuser.
Asidonhopo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 279d
Perhaps also a trafficker
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 281d
And presumably one could have sex with a corpse yet not be attracted to it.
TheBlackLounge@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 281d
I'd say there's nothing inherently wrong with any of these. It's the child trafficking and child molestation that's the issue.
lobut@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 281d
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 280d
The difference between a pedophire and hebephile might matter in a clinical setting, if you're a psychiatrist or something. This isn't that. He was a child rapist who sold children to be raped by other rich fuckers. Donald trump was one of those. Trump is a child rapist.
Asidonhopo@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 279d
Donald Trump owned teen beauty pageants and you think hes just an end consumer of Epstein's child sex trafficking? Wait til more comes out and hes revealed as just as involved in moving these girls around as Epstein, if not more.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 279d
We also know that multiple girls were recruited by Ghislaine Maxwell while working for Trump. My theory for a while has been that Trump actively used his properties to scout potential victims. He’d find girls he wanted, and use their job to give them a small taste of how the rich lived. He’d let the girls see him and his rich friends living it up on his private resorts, and start dropping breadcrumbs that they could join that same class of elites if they remained loyal. He’d make them feel welcomed, but not comfortable. He would ensure they remembered their place at the bottom of the hierarchy, but he gave them a glimpse of what they could have in the future… All you need to do is remain loyal, and you’ll get your shot.
Then Trump would pass their info to Maxwell, so she could get to work grooming them. The girls would obviously have their walls up around Trump and co. After all, they’re a bunch of creepy old men. Having a woman as part of the recruiting team would normalize the situation and cause the girls to lower their walls. “Oh hey, this rich woman is really nice and understanding, and she seems to be on my side. And if she isn’t creeped out by the gross old men, maybe I was overreacting? I don’t want to miss a good opportunity just because I was overthinking things…”
Maxwell would eventually start the “you’re still young, so you have some time to figure your life out… But opportunities don’t wait, and you don’t want to be a beer girl on a golf course forever. Have you ever considered where you’re going to go from here” type of stuff. The girl has had a taste of wealth, and she’s wondering how to get it for herself. “I just need to be given a chance to prove myself” would inevitably be running through her mind on repeat. Maxwell would leverage that, and start pivoting them towards alternate lines of work. As if she were just helping out a friend. “You’re really pretty. Do you work out? Have you ever thought about modeling? I know some people who would pay a lot of money to have you in a Levi’s ad.” And eventually, Maxwell would invite them to the island for something that sounded benign, like a massage, modeling gig, cocktail waitressing for a party, etc…
When they arrive on the island, Maxwell will continue to normalize the overly sexual nature of the work. If Epstein is naked, Maxwell won’t even flinch. This is just how the rich live, right? He owns this private island, after all. He can be naked wherever he wants, right? This may be your only shot, so don’t mess it up by getting offended over some wrinkly skin.
If you read Virginia Giuffre’s account of how she was originally recruited, it pretty much matches my theory directly. She was initially hired to work on Trump’s property, then got approached by Maxwell. Maxwell was the one who actually recruited her and invited her to the island. And once Virginia was on the island, Maxwell was right next to her, acting completely unfazed and ensuring she didn’t panic when she saw a naked man on the massage table.
But the important part is that it all started with her getting hired by Trump. Trump was the one who scouted the girls and tipped off Maxwell. Trump even joked about Epstein stealing “his” girls, because so many were recruited from Trump’s properties. Trump was the opener, and Maxwell was the closer. Epstein was just the logistics, inventory, and scheduling manager
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 278d
the difference is also very important in general.
it tells you a lot about the people who make that difference.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 281d
ruuster13@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 281d
Conservatives are compelled by cognitive dissonance to argue for this distinction because all the men they know like to ride a very fine legally-defined line.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
Not all. Some prefer riding over state lines.
Hikermick@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 280d
This is preparing for the inevitable release of the Epstein files. Softening the blow by insisting it wasn't pedophilia. They could have made this argument a long time ago but didn't
MuskyMelon@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 280d
"MEGYN KELLY IS PRO-PEDOPHILIA IF THEY'RE OLDER THAN 5 YEARS OLD"
That's the correct headline.
redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 280d
One of the girls Trump is accused of raping was 12. Not a teen.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 281d
Technically... Technically.
TBi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
I was just about to post this!
collapse_already@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 279d
Sounds like Megan knows there is a video of Donald in Epstein's files (He had a bunch of carefully documented CDs). I think I can envision how her deposition would go:
Q. Did Donald make child porn?
M.K. No, Donald didn't know he was being filmed, Epstein did that to have leverage over him.
Q. Did Donald get blackmailed by Epstein?
M.K. No, they were friends.
Q. So Donald just started in the child porn / statutory rape video for fun?
M.K. Fuck you, Donald's a great man and the president.
Q. Objection, non-responsive.
We can't see the video because it is child porn, but Donald is not a pedo because she was 15. At least that is how I see this playing out.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 279d
I need a remindmebot for this
MyOpinion@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 280d
Well it sure does if they are under aged which they were.
kandoh@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 280d
This is the sort of intellectual discussions that you miss out on if you're a woke leftist.
Tedesche@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 280d
Pedophiles, by clinical definition are people who are attracted to prepubescent people. That means people who are attracted to simply mid- to late-level teenagers are not pedophiles. Sad as it is to say, post- or mid-pubescent teenagers have already developed adult sexual features and normal adults can be attracted to them.
Sorry, folks. Pedophilia is a real disorder with specific criteria, and it doesn’t align with the casual term we use as “pedophilia,” which is just sexual involvement with people under 18 years old.
SparroHawc@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 280d
It does make him an ephebophile though if he preferred them to adults.
And a rapist. Let's not forget that.
Tedesche@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d
No, it does not make him a pedophile if he preferred post-pubescent, young women to more mature adult women.
That he manipulated and/or forced himself upon anyone, however, does make him a rapist.
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 280d
Found the pedophile!
Tedesche@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d
Hur hur hur. Person makes clinically relevant commentary to politically charged post. Label them the problem! Hur! Hur! Fucking Hur! Me intelligent! Me know best! Me not troll! Me defender uv troof! Hur hur hur!