Statement by McLaren team principal Andrea Stella:
“During the race, both cars experienced unexpected, high levels of porpoising not seen in the Practice sessions, which led to excessive contact with the ground.
We are investigating the reasons for this behaviour of the car, including the effect of accidental damage sustained by both cars, which we found after the race, and that led to an increase of movement of the floor.
We apologise to Lando and Oscar for the loss of points today, at a critical time in their Championship campaigns after two strong performances from them all weekend. As a team, we also apologise to our partners and fans, whose support means so much.”
You mean they rainy practice sessions that got cut short? yeah, how did they not just press the fix it button
Come on man, Las Vegas was a shit show: new track (3rd time ever), street circuit, crappy logistics (in 2 out of the 3 they have failed to secure sewer caps), it rained throughout practice and quali... to have basically anything unexpected is an understatement considering how little reliable information they could get.
Totally their fault anyway, but I cast doubt and the implications you are making
So in Qatar, we need Max to win the race, Oscar to come second, Lando to come 9th, and then in the sprint, Oscar to win, Max in 8th and Lando behind Max. There's other ways to do it as well of course but that sets up a three way tie going into Abu Dhabi.
McLaren drivers Lando Norris and Oscar Piastri have been disqualified from the Las Vegas Grand Prix after both their cars were found not to comply with technical regulations.
Post-race, the rearmost skid wear on both McLaren MCL39 machines was found to be below the minimum 9mm thickness by technical delegates on inspection.
Hardly. Norris would have to bottle the next races or Yuki would have to do Crashgate 2: Electric Boogaloo or divine intervention strikes down the car. And of course Max would have to keep giving 100%.
Max has driven phenomenally and he is well deserving of the championship title, but it's not a question of whether he wins it, it's a question of whether Norris will lose it.
24 point difference right now, up to 58 points left to earn.
I agree Norris has to fumble, but it's not unforseeable that Max wins.
1 DNF from Norris and it's likely over. Alternatively, Max wins everything, Norris gets a 3rd and a 4th place in the main races and 2nd in the sprint (or another combination where Norris isn't 2nd or 1st each race). Both scenarios are unlikely to happen, but not exactly a long shot either.
Does pole position still give a point? Those could really make a difference in these last races.
You mean fastest lap? Qualifying has never given points (to the best of my knowledge).
Fastest lap point was retired after Ricciardo's humiliating final action of his career, nicking points away from McLaren on behalf of his team Red Bull Racing Bulls
But that's the point made today: it's not only down to the drivers. If a team fumbles - be it with scrutineering like today, or with a pit stop, or strategy, or sending the driver out at the wrong time in quali - that could easily change things up again. F1 is a team sport. Even if Norris locks in, his team could fuck up.
Honestly, I was a bit uninterested in seeing him win by a billion seconds and walk to the championship in recent years... But this season is a close title fight and it would be a pretty cool story to see him come from so far back, in my opinion! What a collapse from McLaren! And that's not to discount Max's incredible driving skill, we've seen it on display in spades this season.
Yeah the issue isn't 'max winning bad' so much as 'max winning boring' at least from a neutrals perspective. If he pulls this one off I don't think people will be nearly as upset/disappointed as last year
A year after first reports of McLaren cheating w/ skid blocks surfaced, finally caught. So are they gonna disqualify them for the whole season? Because they definitely been running them the whole time. Last week in brasil they were already found out. This week they had to run without. And boom: Plank wear.
If the skids expanded, they would protrude more and therefore be more prone to wear. That is the exact opposite of what the "trick" should do. Furthermore they wouldn't be flush with the plank after cooling down again for re-scrutineering, which would be weird because that is tightly regulated.
So I don't know who came up with this rumor, but it makes sense on no level whatsoever.
53 Comments
despite_velasquez@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 266d
Championship back on
frank@sopuli.xyz · 23 pts · 266d
Max is within a race points haul again, I cannot believe how much you can't count him out
despite_velasquez@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 265d
Too bad for Hungary unfortunately
Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 266d
Almost, I still think it needs a collosal fuck up again next week.
Nanook@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 266d
Bottle Norris won’t let you down
Egonallanon@feddit.uk · 29 pts · 266d
Incredible work from McLaren in the second half of this season to give max a viable shot at the championship.
Microw@piefed.zip · 26 pts · 266d
Statement by McLaren team principal Andrea Stella:
“During the race, both cars experienced unexpected, high levels of porpoising not seen in the Practice sessions, which led to excessive contact with the ground.
We are investigating the reasons for this behaviour of the car, including the effect of accidental damage sustained by both cars, which we found after the race, and that led to an increase of movement of the floor.
We apologise to Lando and Oscar for the loss of points today, at a critical time in their Championship campaigns after two strong performances from them all weekend. As a team, we also apologise to our partners and fans, whose support means so much.”
OrekiWoof@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 265d
why is he straight up lying, Lando was complaining about that in practice
Jhex@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 265d
You mean they rainy practice sessions that got cut short? yeah, how did they not just press the fix it button
Come on man, Las Vegas was a shit show: new track (3rd time ever), street circuit, crappy logistics (in 2 out of the 3 they have failed to secure sewer caps), it rained throughout practice and quali... to have basically anything unexpected is an understatement considering how little reliable information they could get.
Totally their fault anyway, but I cast doubt and the implications you are making
OrekiWoof@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 265d
did any other drivers complain so much about it?
Jhex@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 264d
don't know, it didn't even make it to the highlight reel, and literally nothing tv worthy happened during that pratice
Drusenija@aussie.zone · 21 pts · 266d
So in Qatar, we need Max to win the race, Oscar to come second, Lando to come 9th, and then in the sprint, Oscar to win, Max in 8th and Lando behind Max. There's other ways to do it as well of course but that sets up a three way tie going into Abu Dhabi.
TammyTobacco@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 265d
Oh good, another final race the stewards can give to Max.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 265d
and why not, modern F1 fans will literally watch anything.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 265d
at least this one he is winning it way back...
Jumi@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 266d
Piastri will bottle and we get Yuki to take out Lando, easy peezy.
Cyclist@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 265d
The only way Yuki is taking out Lando is if he's getting lapped.
Drusenija@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 264d
Or if Lando has car problems and has to take a new engine or something and ends up at the back of the grid.
lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 266d
Colossal fumble by McLaren. Can't believe Verstappen is equal in points to Piastri now.
davetortoise@reddthat.com · 17 pts · 266d
This season is actually kino
hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 266d
Best season since 2021.
ambitious_bones@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 266d
Source
hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 266d
kikutwo@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 266d
They gambled and lost. Oh well.
nerfherder@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 266d
This is some Ferrari clown show BS
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 266d
Unlearned9545@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 266d
Oh goody. Another fucking max championship.
Goodeye8@piefed.social · 14 pts · 266d
Hardly. Norris would have to bottle the next races or Yuki would have to do Crashgate 2: Electric Boogaloo or divine intervention strikes down the car. And of course Max would have to keep giving 100%.
Max has driven phenomenally and he is well deserving of the championship title, but it's not a question of whether he wins it, it's a question of whether Norris will lose it.
Mavytan@feddit.nl · 8 pts · 266d
24 point difference right now, up to 58 points left to earn. I agree Norris has to fumble, but it's not unforseeable that Max wins.
1 DNF from Norris and it's likely over. Alternatively, Max wins everything, Norris gets a 3rd and a 4th place in the main races and 2nd in the sprint (or another combination where Norris isn't 2nd or 1st each race). Both scenarios are unlikely to happen, but not exactly a long shot either.
Does pole position still give a point? Those could really make a difference in these last races.
calamitycastle@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 266d
You mean fastest lap? Qualifying has never given points (to the best of my knowledge).
Fastest lap point was retired after Ricciardo's humiliating final action of his career, nicking points away from McLaren on behalf of his team
Red BullRacing BullsMicrow@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 265d
But that's the point made today: it's not only down to the drivers. If a team fumbles - be it with scrutineering like today, or with a pit stop, or strategy, or sending the driver out at the wrong time in quali - that could easily change things up again. F1 is a team sport. Even if Norris locks in, his team could fuck up.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 265d
Max is going to lose it by the amount of points he could have made if Kimi didn’t crash into him.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 265d
what's with this "bottle" thing? I get what you mean, I just don't know where the expression comes from
Goodeye8@piefed.social · 2 pts · 265d
It originates from British slang.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 265d
Thanks for the reply!
rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 266d
Honestly, I was a bit uninterested in seeing him win by a billion seconds and walk to the championship in recent years... But this season is a close title fight and it would be a pretty cool story to see him come from so far back, in my opinion! What a collapse from McLaren! And that's not to discount Max's incredible driving skill, we've seen it on display in spades this season.
itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 265d
Yeah the issue isn't 'max winning bad' so much as 'max winning boring' at least from a neutrals perspective. If he pulls this one off I don't think people will be nearly as upset/disappointed as last year
Jhex@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 265d
Correct!... we want competitiveness, not foregone conclusions before the races even start
Etnaphele@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 266d
Spicyyy
cyrano@piefed.social · 6 pts · 266d
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 266d
cyrano@piefed.social · 2 pts · 266d
Eideen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 266d
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/norris-and-piastri-disqualified-from-las-vegas-gp-as-mclarens-fail-post-race.10uHwsN6mLfCNoZ6nKQvPy
hydrashok@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 266d
Simply lovely!
Nanook@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 266d
A year after first reports of McLaren cheating w/ skid blocks surfaced, finally caught. So are they gonna disqualify them for the whole season? Because they definitely been running them the whole time. Last week in brasil they were already found out. This week they had to run without. And boom: Plank wear.
m8052@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 266d
What ?
smeg@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 265d
AliSaket@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 265d
If the skids expanded, they would protrude more and therefore be more prone to wear. That is the exact opposite of what the "trick" should do. Furthermore they wouldn't be flush with the plank after cooling down again for re-scrutineering, which would be weird because that is tightly regulated.
So I don't know who came up with this rumor, but it makes sense on no level whatsoever.
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 265d
Fascinating. I wonder how that works, how titanium would expand when heated?
smeg@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 265d
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 265d
True, but I guess I was hoping it'd involve some interesting machining to encourage growth in one direction or something.
Kinda like a bellows, for ex.
smeg@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 265d
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 265d
Most knowledgeable online F1 fan
Nanook@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 265d
Ah I see you follow F1 for the WAGs
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 264d
Oh. You're one of those "fans".
AliSaket@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 265d
Please enlighten us. What reports on 'McLaren cheating w/ skid blocks' surfaced a year ago?