I'm not even sure that final third is legitimate either. We have lots of home grown astroturfing here in America too. Wouldn't surprise me if a big chunk of those accounts are just locally run bots.
A lotta people need to be dealt with for any real change. You cannot rely on the swaying of the masses via news. Too many people are too dumb to actually think.
At this point a person can be standing with a bloody knife and a dead corpse that was clearly mutilated by said knife, but if the person holding the knife is a billionaire, absolutely nothing will happen to him.
Given that every single potential fracture line in Western society (gender, generation, religion, politics, mod vs rocker) is now hyper polarised, it’s kind of hard to argue in good faith that the Russian troll-farms set up to agitate this weren’t in some part a success. Best case we were going to end up doing to ourselves in the online era anyway and they get to pretend they did it.
I don't think it's a natural tendency in humans.
The whole echo chamber phenomenon yes but the idea that people would misrepresent the other on a way that is just pure fabrication.... Who am I kidding we've been doing this to the other since the damn of time!!!
I'm fairly confident the vast majority of people don't even know what lemmy is. In fact I'd wager more than 75% of the users on reddit don't even know what lemmy is or how to access it.
Yeah. So it's a great place to test-drive social engineering with a smaller sample. Plus since most people here think they are the smartest of society, it becomes even easier.
Also it could be a psychological strategy. Like ... "Hey look it wasn't us, it was these foreigners!" When in reality it's still Americans controlling these things regardless of a VPN or location. Basically digital proxy war.
We live in a time of 5th generation warfare... Humanity is basically dead and raped already if you are really paying attention. And like... The American lifestyle isrnt even what humans should be trying to save right now.
Fifth-generation warfare
Definition: A form of warfare that uses social engineering, misinformation, cyberattacks, and other non-kinetic actions to manipulate populations and achieve political goals.
Tactics: Involves using propaganda, gaslighting, social media to create confusion, and psychological operations to undermine an opponent's morale and resolve.
Goal: To influence public perception and control the information space, with the battlefield being the collective consciousness of the masses, not just physical territory.
Key characteristic: It is often fought during peacetime and can involve both kinetic and non-kinetic force.
That makes it sound like you see "America" as a monolith, which it absolutely isn't.
I don't think that divisions by national border are really at the heart of the issue at all. Rather, it's the division between the rich and powerful and everyone else, as well as divisions within the rich and powerful.
I am against all of the rich and powerful, personally. I think that they should be equal to the rest of us. But there is certainly an element of them trying to undermine each other in this. Some of the rich and powerful of other countries rightfully see MAGA as bad for America (including the elites) and therefore see it as a way to get a leg up over their competitors.
Some of the rich and powerful in the US think that MAGA will be good for them, so they support it. Many of the others don't want to support it, but they also are strongly opposed to any real counter to MAGA.
I see Americans as naive and stupid. I see modern politics as something essentially nationless. Rounding up cattle (Americans left or right) to be used.
Oh look, there’s that monolith they’re talking about. You see the entire country of 330,000,000+ as all being of one hive mind, carbon copies of one original, with no distinction for race, religion, creed, or self identity.
You effectively see all Americans as the Borg, who for all their faults, are not.
Not really... I think the world's intelligence agencies play them out and are throwing a coup tbh. The end goal is not American, it's a new world lifestyle being adopted by leading nations to create a culture that is completely surveilled and controlled. These nations, and the subcultures within them are a tool for the "enemy" ...manipulated and played out.
Fifth-generation warfare
Definition: A form of warfare that uses social engineering, misinformation, cyberattacks, and other non-kinetic actions to manipulate populations and achieve political goals.
Tactics: Involves using propaganda, gaslighting, social media to create confusion, and psychological operations to undermine an opponent's morale and resolve.
Goal: To influence public perception and control the information space, with the battlefield being the collective consciousness of the masses, not just physical territory.
Key characteristic: It is often fought during peacetime and can involve both kinetic and non-kinetic force.
It is funny because it comes across as something new. Propaganda has been around a long time now and its modern counterpart public relations has been as well.
Perhaps the use of technology could be considered new, but the battle for the human pysche is nothing new.
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natecox@programming.dev · 69 pts · 271d
newthrowaway20@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 271d
I'm not even sure that final third is legitimate either. We have lots of home grown astroturfing here in America too. Wouldn't surprise me if a big chunk of those accounts are just locally run bots.
Mac@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 271d
Lbh, Musk has more alts than the MAU of the entire Fediverse.
Donkter@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 271d
Sad that this won't amount to anything.
Too much plausible deniability, no immediate consequences. This will blow over in a week or less.
I'm frustrated, it's frustrating.
Makhno@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 271d
A lotta people need to be dealt with for any real change. You cannot rely on the swaying of the masses via news. Too many people are too dumb to actually think.
Valmond@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 271d
Maybe they're too dumb for thinking, but they have other qualities, like a natural propention of getting angry.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 271d
And they can easily spin this to say the system wasn't working correctly and that all the locations were wrong for reasons.
HurlingDurling@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 271d
At this point a person can be standing with a bloody knife and a dead corpse that was clearly mutilated by said knife, but if the person holding the knife is a billionaire, absolutely nothing will happen to him.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 270d
For MAGA it isn't really about plausible deniability. They are pretty much immune to reality.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 270d
NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org · 34 pts · 272d
Heikki2@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 271d
Shocked Musk would hide the location feature he wanted added.
Or
The MAGA are actually foreigners fanning flames on US tensions?
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 271d
Denjin@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 271d
Yes.
I mean not that shocked.
Heikki2@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 271d
Is there a more shocked? I feel like we need a poll.
BigBenis@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 270d
This guy's capacity for idiocy and own-goaling is astounding
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 270d
He might be so surrounded by yes men and sycophants that he believes the grift and thinks honesty will help prove his points.
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 271d
Ostrichgrif@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 270d
Fun story but this is the fourth time I've seen this today, think you could lay off a bit?
ameancow@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 270d
NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org · 2 pts · 271d
Best Story EVER!!!
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 270d
Given that every single potential fracture line in Western society (gender, generation, religion, politics, mod vs rocker) is now hyper polarised, it’s kind of hard to argue in good faith that the Russian troll-farms set up to agitate this weren’t in some part a success. Best case we were going to end up doing to ourselves in the online era anyway and they get to pretend they did it.
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 270d
I don't think it's a natural tendency in humans. The whole echo chamber phenomenon yes but the idea that people would misrepresent the other on a way that is just pure fabrication.... Who am I kidding we've been doing this to the other since the damn of time!!!
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 270d
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 8 pts · 271d
Problem solved.
ghosthacked@lemmy.wtf · 6 pts · 271d
Prabdeep Kumar, bastion of the ideals of the American right.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 270d
I’m actually shocked they didn’t think to use fucking VPNs.
f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 270d
Paid protestors. (Every accusation is a confession.)
Randomgal@lemmy.ca · -5 pts · 270d
And yet people think every extremist in Lemmy is DeFiNeTeLy nOt a BoT/PrOpAgaNdIsT
Jyek@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 270d
I'm fairly confident the vast majority of people don't even know what lemmy is. In fact I'd wager more than 75% of the users on reddit don't even know what lemmy is or how to access it.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 270d
Uh try 99% of Reddit users. Beep boop bop.
Randomgal@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 270d
Yeah. So it's a great place to test-drive social engineering with a smaller sample. Plus since most people here think they are the smartest of society, it becomes even easier.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · -42 pts · 271d
They could be using vpns, no?
Also it could be a psychological strategy. Like ... "Hey look it wasn't us, it was these foreigners!" When in reality it's still Americans controlling these things regardless of a VPN or location. Basically digital proxy war.
We live in a time of 5th generation warfare... Humanity is basically dead and raped already if you are really paying attention. And like... The American lifestyle isrnt even what humans should be trying to save right now.
Triumph@fedia.io · 20 pts · 271d
All of them?
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · -26 pts · 271d
No. But I definitely do not believe America is NOT behind this. They just weasel out scapegoats to blame like the Mafia.
Also check out 5th generation warfare if you haven't looked into it before.
Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 271d
That makes it sound like you see "America" as a monolith, which it absolutely isn't.
I don't think that divisions by national border are really at the heart of the issue at all. Rather, it's the division between the rich and powerful and everyone else, as well as divisions within the rich and powerful.
I am against all of the rich and powerful, personally. I think that they should be equal to the rest of us. But there is certainly an element of them trying to undermine each other in this. Some of the rich and powerful of other countries rightfully see MAGA as bad for America (including the elites) and therefore see it as a way to get a leg up over their competitors.
Some of the rich and powerful in the US think that MAGA will be good for them, so they support it. Many of the others don't want to support it, but they also are strongly opposed to any real counter to MAGA.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · -18 pts · 271d
I see Americans as naive and stupid. I see modern politics as something essentially nationless. Rounding up cattle (Americans left or right) to be used.
don@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 271d
Oh look, there’s that monolith they’re talking about. You see the entire country of 330,000,000+ as all being of one hive mind, carbon copies of one original, with no distinction for race, religion, creed, or self identity.
You effectively see all Americans as the Borg, who for all their faults, are not.
RustyShackleford@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 271d
It’s a common trend these days, enter any American topic and someone will stereotype/broad-stroke that it’s all Americans.
skeptomatic@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 271d
Median, not mean.
Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 271d
I agree with the second statement. Modern politics is essentially nationless.
So, why are you singling out Americans as a group and painting them all with a stereotype?
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 271d
Tell us more, oh wise one.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 271d
Why would an American patriot want to VPN via Russia or Bangladesh, anyway?
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 271d
So they can watch porn on the wifi in their office.
oplkill@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 271d
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · -14 pts · 271d
Because they know america (or anyone) watches them...
njm1314@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 271d
You are attributing way too much intelligence and foresight to ultra right wing influencers and grifters here.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · -20 pts · 271d
Not really... I think the world's intelligence agencies play them out and are throwing a coup tbh. The end goal is not American, it's a new world lifestyle being adopted by leading nations to create a culture that is completely surveilled and controlled. These nations, and the subcultures within them are a tool for the "enemy" ...manipulated and played out.
yucandu@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 271d
Fifth generation warfare, like hiring a bunch of bot farms in foreign world countries to prop up a corrupt government.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 270d
It is funny because it comes across as something new. Propaganda has been around a long time now and its modern counterpart public relations has been as well.
Perhaps the use of technology could be considered new, but the battle for the human pysche is nothing new.
Valmond@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 271d
You sound like those people who read the dictionary, having to force in their newly learned word into everything.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · -7 pts · 271d
You sound like a pathetic cunt that makes fun of learning.
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 270d