What's if instead of a dead internet we end up with a dark forest internet

I like seeing them try and then thinking "begone thot! There is no entry for you"

In fact, I might make a honeypot that issues exactly that

But an IP can have multiple websites and even not return anything on plain IP access. How do crawlers find out about domains and unlinked subdomains? Do they even?

Servers which are meant to be secure usually are configured to not react to pings and do not give out failure responses to unauthenticated requests. This should be viable for a authenticated only walled garden type website op is suggesting, no?

It's not as simple as "only security through obscurity". You could say the same thing for an encryption key of a certain length. The private key to a public key is still technically just an obscurity, but it's still impractical to actually go through the entire range

IPv6 is big enough where this obscurity becomes impractical to sweep. But of course, as you said, there may be other methods of finding your address

I love your "multiple orders of magnitude". I don't think you appreciate or realise how much larger ipv6 address space is :)

Almost certainly. There are only 4,294,967,296 possible IPv4 addresses, i.e. 4.3ish billion, which sounds like a lot but in computer terms really isn't. You can scan them in parallel, and if you're an advanced script kiddie you could even exclude ranges that you know belong to unexciting organizations like Google and Microsoft, which are probably not worth spending your time messing with.

If you had a botnet of 8,000 or so devices and employed a probably unrealistically generous timeout of 15 seconds, i.e. four attempts per minute per device, you could scan the entire IPv4 range in just a hair over 93 days and that's before excluding any known pointless address blocks. If you only spent a second on each ping you could do it in about six days.

For the sake of argument, cybercriminals are already operating botnets with upwards of 100,000 compromised machines doing their bidding. That bidding could well be (and probably is) probing random web servers for vulnerabilities. The largest confirmed botnet was the 911 S5 which contained about 19 million devices.

I don't know exactly how they do it, but probing every ipv4 address isn't that hard

DNS only translate a string address (www.mywebsite.com) to its IP address (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) so that it is easier to remember.

Bots just try a range of address and they don't need to know your domain name. You could have the most unintelligible domain name in the world, bots would still ping your website because they use direct IP addresses.

Seriously, I live in the woods and people keep moving in and clear cutting. The woods are just suburbia after covid lol

I'm sure they'll use instance killing AI scrapers anyway because they don't give a shit.

Efficiency is not what AI is known for.

China and Russia do this shit all the time. Now they used a new tool. It's really not big headline news. I'd love for it to be and burst that AI bubble tho.

That's the point

Tbh I mixed up a couple videos I saw in my feed, I was watching a new PBS space time video and saw an old cool world's lab video on the dark forest hypothesis in the side bar.

So like past torrent search providers, ike demoniod?

You know, maybe that's not so bad, there would be real world links between users rather than the random collection of absolute strangers you get now. Oh wait no that's just facebook again

This is something I'm very curious about. It seems like a really necessary utility in the future.

A way for people to validate other people but not totally blow away all privacy. Large group chats, email providers, etc already try to solve it. It would be cool to see some powerful open source tooling. Like what Signal is to E2E encrypted chats.

You only invite those you know, personally.