The Russian government is a rogue, hostile entity at this point and it needs to be dismantled. There is no way a peaceful future is possible with Russia still existing as it does today.
Nah. There was a clear choice between letting shit get much worse, or picking a sane-ish candidate.
FPTP means you don't vote for the candidate you like the most, but rather the candidate that will do the least damage. Even if you have to hold your nose. Voting for Kamala at that point wasn't a vote for her but a vote against the orange turd.
Sh, jerboa doesnt like free thinkers. Just propaganda. I mean why acknowledge we're living in the most peaceful time in human history....when they'd rather track down a Phillies karen.
Putin's leaked position at the start of this(read: take with truck of dubious salt) is that Russia had a potential armed forces pool of 25 million people.
As far as I understand that statement, until he burns through most of that, he likely won't see himself as losing.
Crimea and Donbas sounds like a good compromise, but if accepted all these people have basically died for nothing. History aside, Crimea is ethnically Russian and wants to be Russian. Donbas is much the same but wants to be independent instead of Russian, which is basically what started the war with pre-government Azov massacring civilians in Donbas that didn't want to be Ukrainian anymore.
Bro you're literally suggesting appeasing an invading aggressor who has shown that no matter the international agreements, no matter how many times they'll promise "okay we stop now", they'll continue their warmongering.
There's no appeasing people like that. When they come up with such a ridiculous demand, you don't consider part of it, you send back an equally ridiculous demand of your own. You don't let them control the game.
Also, that whole "Crimea is actually russian" bullshit talking point is literally Russian propaganda. It's only "sort of true" today due to forced relocation of local Ukrainians to who knows where and allowing Russian nationals to move in after the annexation. Russian population was actually declining from the post-WW2 forced relocations.
Also an area having a large ethnic group - even a majority - gives no right to the home country of the ethnic group to annex the area. If that was a right, e.g. Hungary would've had a legitimate claim to most of Transylvania, Slovakia, half of Slovenia, the border regions with Croatia, Serbia, Romania, and even parts of Ukraine. Hell, imagine how easy it would be for a county to use the EU open borders to mass emigrate to another country, establish ethnic/national majority in a region just in time for census then claim that territory...
I said history aside. We can't change that ethnic Russians were put in Crimea around 100 years ago. Do you want to displace the generations that have been living there ever since to "right the wrong"? Because of their ethnicity? It's essentially the same thing as Israel being created in Palestine except Crimea doesn't expand every year.
It's about ending bloodshed in a place that has basically never seen peace. I feel like the best way to achieve that is to let the people that live there decide. Last I checked they overwhelmingly chose Russia. If those elections are disputed for whatever reason, run them again if it ends the conflict but the west doesn't get to decide it disagrees with the election if the results are not in their interests.
So funny hearing russian-loving scum talking about Azov nazis as if your entire political class aren't fucking nazis too. Go eat shit and die on the front line, cyka
And so what? We freeze it and "end" it? We had done that with Crimea and we all know that for Putler, this is a pause to recover and attack again later.
The problem is not Ukraine. The problem is that Putler thinks that Russia is too 🤏 and needs more area, although that's not the actual problem of the people in Russia.
Crimea is ethnically Russian and wants to be Russian. Donbas is much the same
With this logic, the whole Europe would be at war right now.
Is this based on elections like on Crimea that happened during war and were only recognized by North Korea, Serbia, Iran and like 2 other countries? BTW: If you invade a country and kill the people there and other have to run away or hide, they can't vote anymore. eLeCtIoN
Fuck you. All the Russian speaking Ukrainians and even the Russians themselves are suffering because of Putin's clearly imperialist war that are based on lies and here you are spitting those lies. If you do not want to lie, then write that Ukraine is in a dire position. That is true. The rest is cheap fucking lies. Fuck you.
46 Comments
CannonFodder@lemmy.world · 82 pts · 254d
putin can go fuck himself.
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca · 73 pts · 254d
The Russian government is a rogue, hostile entity at this point and it needs to be dismantled. There is no way a peaceful future is possible with Russia still existing as it does today.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 254d
Russia is a gas station cosplaying as a country.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 254d
A mob run gas station.
SippyCup@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 254d
So a gas station
fonix232@fedia.io · 7 pts · 254d
A gas station has more civility even if it's half filled with crack addicts than the Russian government.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 254d
Sick. I was thinking of their enablers more than them but yeah fuck them too.
Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io · 44 pts · 254d
How about money for reparations, and cede Russian land to Ukraine for starting all this bullshit.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 254d
You fuckers put Trump in charge. You’re still not getting what you want but for a totally different reason this time.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 254d
I hope everyone who abstained/protest voted is happy that they voted for this
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · -20 pts · 254d
They don’t vote for this either. Stop trying to press the idea of you are with us or against us. That shit is exactly what got us into this mess!
fonix232@fedia.io · 23 pts · 254d
Nah. There was a clear choice between letting shit get much worse, or picking a sane-ish candidate.
FPTP means you don't vote for the candidate you like the most, but rather the candidate that will do the least damage. Even if you have to hold your nose. Voting for Kamala at that point wasn't a vote for her but a vote against the orange turd.
Nomorereddit@lemmy.today · -10 pts · 254d
Sh, jerboa doesnt like free thinkers. Just propaganda. I mean why acknowledge we're living in the most peaceful time in human history....when they'd rather track down a Phillies karen.
switcheroo@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 254d
Talks with the US? Lol, you mean marching orders for your shit stained puppet?
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io · 15 pts · 254d
Have to admit its a smart play from the orks.
Rebase the western position to your previous position by convincing a narcissistic senile moron to adopt it.
Move your new position to complete takeover of Ukraine.
Agree to "compromise" on a new agreement that is considerably better for you than your original position.
BeautifulMind@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 253d
Rhetorically it's clever, sure, but effectively it amounts to demanding unconditional surrender or else they'll continue to lose until demands are met
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io · 1 pts · 253d
Putin's leaked position at the start of this(read: take with truck of dubious salt) is that Russia had a potential armed forces pool of 25 million people.
As far as I understand that statement, until he burns through most of that, he likely won't see himself as losing.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 254d
He does not want peace. He demanded a capitulation, didn't get one, and is now pissed that his American asset failed to deliver.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 251d
Technically be wants peace, almost every violent aggressor throughout history has wanted peace... On their terms.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 254d
Release the bubba photos!!!!
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 254d
Russia first
Bonesince1997@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 254d
Weak ass bitch
Reddfugee42@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 254d
A rapist doesn't get to demand ownership of a portion of their victim. Go fuck yourself.
Bristlecone@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 254d
Fucking bastards
ryannathans@aussie.zone · -61 pts · 254d
Crimea and Donbas sounds like a good compromise, but if accepted all these people have basically died for nothing. History aside, Crimea is ethnically Russian and wants to be Russian. Donbas is much the same but wants to be independent instead of Russian, which is basically what started the war with pre-government Azov massacring civilians in Donbas that didn't want to be Ukrainian anymore.
fonix232@fedia.io · 29 pts · 254d
fuck off russian bot
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 254d
I’ve noticed an uptick in bot activity lately
ryannathans@aussie.zone · -12 pts · 254d
Bot? Lmao
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 254d
That’s an easy ban.
fonix232@fedia.io · 6 pts · 254d
dontcha love it when an obvious propaganda trollbot exposes itself in the first move?
ryannathans@aussie.zone · -12 pts · 254d
You are so deluded if that's what you make of my account
fonix232@fedia.io · 15 pts · 254d
Bro you're literally suggesting appeasing an invading aggressor who has shown that no matter the international agreements, no matter how many times they'll promise "okay we stop now", they'll continue their warmongering.
There's no appeasing people like that. When they come up with such a ridiculous demand, you don't consider part of it, you send back an equally ridiculous demand of your own. You don't let them control the game.
Also, that whole "Crimea is actually russian" bullshit talking point is literally Russian propaganda. It's only "sort of true" today due to forced relocation of local Ukrainians to who knows where and allowing Russian nationals to move in after the annexation. Russian population was actually declining from the post-WW2 forced relocations.
Also an area having a large ethnic group - even a majority - gives no right to the home country of the ethnic group to annex the area. If that was a right, e.g. Hungary would've had a legitimate claim to most of Transylvania, Slovakia, half of Slovenia, the border regions with Croatia, Serbia, Romania, and even parts of Ukraine. Hell, imagine how easy it would be for a county to use the EU open borders to mass emigrate to another country, establish ethnic/national majority in a region just in time for census then claim that territory...
ryannathans@aussie.zone · -14 pts · 254d
I said history aside. We can't change that ethnic Russians were put in Crimea around 100 years ago. Do you want to displace the generations that have been living there ever since to "right the wrong"? Because of their ethnicity? It's essentially the same thing as Israel being created in Palestine except Crimea doesn't expand every year.
It's about ending bloodshed in a place that has basically never seen peace. I feel like the best way to achieve that is to let the people that live there decide. Last I checked they overwhelmingly chose Russia. If those elections are disputed for whatever reason, run them again if it ends the conflict but the west doesn't get to decide it disagrees with the election if the results are not in their interests.
Bristlecone@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 254d
I'm genuinely impressed at how far up your own ass you can get your head. Go suck Putin's dick
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 24 pts · 254d
So funny hearing russian-loving scum talking about Azov nazis as if your entire political class aren't fucking nazis too. Go eat shit and die on the front line, cyka
ryannathans@aussie.zone · -18 pts · 254d
My brother in christ what part of that is Russian loving? The conflict needs to end and Ukraine isn't in a favourable position
Furbag@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 254d
Been hearing that take for 4 years now. At this point, you're just trying to wish it into existence every time you say it.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · -4 pts · 254d
Which part of this is favourable for Ukraine
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 254d
And so what? We freeze it and "end" it? We had done that with Crimea and we all know that for Putler, this is a pause to recover and attack again later.
The problem is not Ukraine. The problem is that Putler thinks that Russia is too 🤏 and needs more area, although that's not the actual problem of the people in Russia.
Furbag@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 254d
Which part of this is favorable for the Soviet Union?
Bristlecone@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 254d
You sound like fucking Trump dick head
ryannathans@aussie.zone · -13 pts · 254d
Love the adhominem attacks
andxz@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 254d
It's almost impressive how you managed to get all the bs russian talking points into such a short post. Almost.
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 12 pts · 254d
With this logic, the whole Europe would be at war right now.
Is this based on elections like on Crimea that happened during war and were only recognized by North Korea, Serbia, Iran and like 2 other countries? BTW: If you invade a country and kill the people there and other have to run away or hide, they can't vote anymore. eLeCtIoN
kek_kecske_31@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 254d
Fuck you. All the Russian speaking Ukrainians and even the Russians themselves are suffering because of Putin's clearly imperialist war that are based on lies and here you are spitting those lies. If you do not want to lie, then write that Ukraine is in a dire position. That is true. The rest is cheap fucking lies. Fuck you.
twinnie@feddit.uk · 11 pts · 254d
Get fucked.