Incredible art. Any time I see marble look like cloth, it blows my mind.
As to the physics, the amount of material holding up the hammock is likely much more significant than it appears. Not to say it isn't delicate, I'm sure much side to side movement would break it quite easily, but the vertical strength is probably significantly more than it seems, it's sort of like a bridge with a truck on it...
Sort of. Put it in a crate, then put wooden batons across to support each section of the sculpture and stop it moving. Each wooden baton is covered in polyethylene foam. Depending on the material of the sculpture, it may be wrapped in plastic, tissue or fabric.
Once it's barred into the crate and cannot wobble about at all, it's sealed up, then moved about on a palette truck or hand-forklift.
I would imagine they would put something between the hammock and the floor to support the sculpture during transit. Kind of like expanding foam packs used to ship computers.
That's what I assumed. I'm sure you could make this without that arm being a pillar, but it's a slightly odd position that obviously they used it for support. Still incredibly impressive, and honestly it only adds to it in my opinion that they had the foresight to extend the arm down to act as a column. I'm sure it wouldn't have lasted long without it.
Both ends which make it look like the poles at the end are supporting the center but they're only part, most of the support is an optical illusion that makes the blanket or hammock fabric look visually thinner if you look diagonally across you'll see the fabric is actually much thicker than it looks from either side. The third leg is her arm which acts a a minor support by actually touching the base.
But really, non contaminated marble is very strong in a load bearing sense, and the ends of the statue are plenty thick enough to support that weight. The arm that rests on the ground as well was much more likely there to be a support to keep the arm from getting damaged, and not a part made to keep the statue from snapping elsewhere.
On the physics, marble on the legs and torso seem quite dense where they connect to the pillars, and also the base seems complete and flat, the three likely causing enough pressure for the center of the piece to not be crushed under its own weight.
User thinkyfish in another comment also mentioned the cloth at both ends of the hammock are solid stone too, adding even more resistance to the sculpture. Fantastic work not just in beauty, but engineering too.
First thing is that even though it looks like separate objects, they are actually all connected and solid, like her face on the pillow, the cloth and the posts. Note that the cloth actually has a large interior volume you cannot see--it's all solid. Also, her hand actually touches the bottom and is providing support, so its really like two small arches.
B. Rebar rusts even if totally encased which would split the marble from within. (Marble is porous anyway so total encasement isn't super easy anyway.)
C. It isn't needed, Bernini was doing more with less before the advent of rebar.
Artists were using metal bars inside marble statutes for joining and shaping for centuries. But I’m not going to argue about it as this is lemmy and opposing facts are not wanted here.
Yes ai is always correct. This is true, just for much larger statues like David though iirc it has no support either just a hole in the base to connect it to the roof it was intended to be on.
That said no there is no rebar, no metal insert of any kind just fun optical illusion.
It’s amazing how an “AI” summary is gospel when we need it to be, and simultaneously shunned as blasphemy when we need it to be. And ironically you used a specific error that was over a year old as an example to illustrate your point that all “AI” summaries are wrong as a result.
A: “But Anna Anguissola highlights a still more extraordinary aspect of the New York figure, the evidence its marble parts preserve for the original presence of supports and struts, left in position when the figure itself was chiseled free from the marble block”
B: illustrates the effort of restoration in marble art pieces that have structural support.
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AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social · 100 pts · 279d
Incredible art. Any time I see marble look like cloth, it blows my mind.
As to the physics, the amount of material holding up the hammock is likely much more significant than it appears. Not to say it isn't delicate, I'm sure much side to side movement would break it quite easily, but the vertical strength is probably significantly more than it seems, it's sort of like a bridge with a truck on it...
BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 279d
How do they move this between exhibitions? Put it in a box, cover it in plastic and fill it with plaster or PU foam?
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk · 63 pts · 279d
Sort of. Put it in a crate, then put wooden batons across to support each section of the sculpture and stop it moving. Each wooden baton is covered in polyethylene foam. Depending on the material of the sculpture, it may be wrapped in plastic, tissue or fabric.
Once it's barred into the crate and cannot wobble about at all, it's sealed up, then moved about on a palette truck or hand-forklift.
Example of a sculpture half-packed:
devdoggy@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 279d
This was very cool to learn about! Thank you for the picture as well!!
M137@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 279d
Carefully, I'm pretty sure.
heydo@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 279d
I would imagine they would put something between the hammock and the floor to support the sculpture during transit. Kind of like expanding foam packs used to ship computers.
logicbomb@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 279d
My brain always intuitively parses this shit as literal witchcraft. Like:
It's so impressive that it literally doesn't compute to me, and I have to remind myself that this is indeed stone.
user_name@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 279d
Hard to tell from the crop, but if the arm is touching the ground that’s a third support pillar.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 279d
It does indeed touch the ground and act as another pillar.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 279d
That's what I assumed. I'm sure you could make this without that arm being a pillar, but it's a slightly odd position that obviously they used it for support. Still incredibly impressive, and honestly it only adds to it in my opinion that they had the foresight to extend the arm down to act as a column. I'm sure it wouldn't have lasted long without it.
harsh3466@lemmy.ml · 33 pts · 279d
zbyte64@awful.systems · 5 pts · 279d
Occam's razor says it gotta be antigravity
RamenJunkie@midwest.social · 24 pts · 279d
I mean, isn't it basically a bench?
Madison420@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 279d
Sorta yeah. Just with three supporting legs.
Both ends which make it look like the poles at the end are supporting the center but they're only part, most of the support is an optical illusion that makes the blanket or hammock fabric look visually thinner if you look diagonally across you'll see the fabric is actually much thicker than it looks from either side. The third leg is her arm which acts a a minor support by actually touching the base.
https://historyvisit.one/sweet-dreams-1892-sculptor-antonio-frilli/
Picture 2 shows the ends diagonally, you'll see they're actually fairly thick pyramids-ish triangular shapes.
Pictures 3, 5 and 6 show her arm touching the base.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 278d
Oh, I'd sit on that.
wetsoggybread@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 279d
Okay ill be the child here - he he boobies
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 14 pts · 279d
If I may join in, is that a sculpture of someone fingering someone else's butt in the background too?
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 279d
oil check
derpgon@programming.dev · 1 pts · 279d
Naaah, it's probably an enema between two friends.
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 278d
With friends like that, who needs enemas?
toeblast96@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 279d
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 20 pts · 279d
Bro, did you just call her fat?
But really, non contaminated marble is very strong in a load bearing sense, and the ends of the statue are plenty thick enough to support that weight. The arm that rests on the ground as well was much more likely there to be a support to keep the arm from getting damaged, and not a part made to keep the statue from snapping elsewhere.
Auster@thebrainbin.org · 17 pts · 279d
On the physics, marble on the legs and torso seem quite dense where they connect to the pillars, and also the base seems complete and flat, the three likely causing enough pressure for the center of the piece to not be crushed under its own weight.
NickeeCoco@piefed.social · 29 pts · 279d
load-bearing dangly arm
Auster@thebrainbin.org · 12 pts · 279d
User thinkyfish in another comment also mentioned the cloth at both ends of the hammock are solid stone too, adding even more resistance to the sculpture. Fantastic work not just in beauty, but engineering too.
qarbone@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 278d
It's rude to talk about a lady's weight like that.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 278d
It really does look like a marble blanket is draped over the statue. But the "blanket" is structural. So is the arm.
I love these sculptures and the immense talent behind them. Boobies or not, this is incredible work.
thinkyfish@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 279d
First thing is that even though it looks like separate objects, they are actually all connected and solid, like her face on the pillow, the cloth and the posts. Note that the cloth actually has a large interior volume you cannot see--it's all solid. Also, her hand actually touches the bottom and is providing support, so its really like two small arches.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 279d
Probably by hiding a hole underneath the drape that they used to hollow it out.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 2 pts · 279d
Or reinforcements
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 279d
Assuming the figure is mostly hollow and the floor is a couple inches solid or the sides "blankets" are very supporting.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 278d
Did she know that he was sculpting her while she slept!? This feels a little invasive.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 279d
Metal rebar reinforced supports inside it.
Madison420@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 279d
No.
A. It was made 1890ish
B. Rebar rusts even if totally encased which would split the marble from within. (Marble is porous anyway so total encasement isn't super easy anyway.)
C. It isn't needed, Bernini was doing more with less before the advent of rebar.
Circa 1682:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_and_Daphne_(Bernini)#/media/File:Apollo_and_Daphne_(Bernini)_(cropped).jpg
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 278d
Artists were using metal bars inside marble statutes for joining and shaping for centuries. But I’m not going to argue about it as this is lemmy and opposing facts are not wanted here.
Madison420@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 278d
Yes ai is always correct. This is true, just for much larger statues like David though iirc it has no support either just a hole in the base to connect it to the roof it was intended to be on.
That said no there is no rebar, no metal insert of any kind just fun optical illusion.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 278d
That's just the AI summary, my dude. The very same AI summary that instructed how to make spaghetti with gasoline and pizza with glue.
You still need to fact-check that shit.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 278d
ffs….
Here, and here
It’s amazing how an “AI” summary is gospel when we need it to be, and simultaneously shunned as blasphemy when we need it to be. And ironically you used a specific error that was over a year old as an example to illustrate your point that all “AI” summaries are wrong as a result.
Madison420@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 278d
A. Has supports because it's a copy of a bronze statue. (Not metal but marble ones)
B. Is talking about adding supports for preservation.
Notably neither talk about metallic struts within the structure as part of its design.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 278d
A: “But Anna Anguissola highlights a still more extraordinary aspect of the New York figure, the evidence its marble parts preserve for the original presence of supports and struts, left in position when the figure itself was chiseled free from the marble block”
B: illustrates the effort of restoration in marble art pieces that have structural support.
I’m done arguing about this.
Madison420@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 278d
The struts are pictured, exterior and marble.
Restoration which includes pinning broken pieces together, again pictured and explained.
lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 277d
I never use those AI summaries. It's important to fact check, otherwise we risk spreading misinformation.