When you plug Sonic 3 into Sonic & Knuckles, that's what Sonic 3 was intended to be. But they couldn't finish it in time, so they split them into separate games. That's why when you play Sonic 3 & Knuckles, you don't just play Sonic 3 as Knuckles, you play through both Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles (as opposed to Sonic 2 where you only play through Sonic 2 levels as Knuckles).
Absolutely, and it makes all three games better for it. But I don't know anyone who had Sonic & Knuckles that felt they got an incomplete or bad game. Yes. S3&K is "more complete", with the Super and Hyper Emeralds. It's a peanut butter & chocolate deal.
Except that it wasn't. It was the second half of Sonic 3. You had to buy both Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles to get the full Sonic 3 experience as the developers originally intended.
BTW, everyone probably already knows this by now, but Michael Jackson produced a good chunk of the soundtrack. However, he left partially through production when the child abuse allegations started and thus went uncredited.
Instead of microtranactions, you just bought the whole fucking game again to get Vega or M Bison as playable characters or to get a projectile for Chun-Li.
Came here for this, sf2 is worse than the sonic 3 & knuckles example. Sonic and Knuckles is a fine game on its own, combining them gives you extra content, lets you play Sonic 3 as knuckles, and it even does some minor things for Sonic 1 and 2 as a bonus.
To be fair on PC older games very often got expansion disks. On top of that people with nostalgia tend to forget a lot of games used to release with game breaking glitches and just never get updated because that wasn't possible.
The example being Sonic and Knuckles specifically is relevant, because despite being released and marketed as an expansion, that content was originally supposed to be part of Sonic 3 but was cut due to deadlines and development time.
What i really hated about that was, that you never really knew if it was a bug that got you stuck or the game is just incomprehensible. I'm looking at you, Simon's quest.
The spanish version of the first Digimon World was literally unplayable lmao, the game had a glitch with an Agumon NPC that is a softlock and makes impossible to continue from that point
German Version Too, expect you played it in a specific order...
But to defend old games (aka when Nintendo didn't sucked): when you wanted to release a game on a Nintendo console, you had to send a tape with the full gameplay from start to finish without cheats, otherwise it wouldn't be released.
It sounds so sad, but these are some of my best memories. I don't think people will ever understand the joy of reading while imagining what the game actually plays like
Super Mario Bros 3 and Street Fighter 2 both had arcade versions. Which I just want to point out is just a previous iteration of monetization bullshit.
Okay, fair, but this is about the home releases. And I'd argue that PC-10 SMB3 is just the NES version, but instead of the KMart kiosks, you had to pay for it.
Yeah, its only ever been as bad as technology has allowed, and this trend shows it will only get worse. Dont really see how that doesnt pertain to the meme but ok chief.
When i look back, games definitely weren't all great. But what made them great was that you could plug them in and play. When you had a friend over, you could give him a controller and he could play, the games usually explained themselves.
I still play online with friends, but even with all the games steam has to offer, we often just play nothing. I don't like extraction shooters and call of duty games, my friends don't like pve games, this game is too complicated, here you have to play for 20 hours to get to the fun bit....
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FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 275d
Sonic and Knuckles was its own game. As a bonus it added Knuckles to the previous games.
GiantRobotTRex@lemmy.sdf.org · 35 pts · 275d
When you plug Sonic 3 into Sonic & Knuckles, that's what Sonic 3 was intended to be. But they couldn't finish it in time, so they split them into separate games. That's why when you play Sonic 3 & Knuckles, you don't just play Sonic 3 as Knuckles, you play through both Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles (as opposed to Sonic 2 where you only play through Sonic 2 levels as Knuckles).
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 17 pts · 275d
Absolutely, and it makes all three games better for it. But I don't know anyone who had Sonic & Knuckles that felt they got an incomplete or bad game. Yes. S3&K is "more complete", with the Super and Hyper Emeralds. It's a peanut butter & chocolate deal.
Psythik@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 275d
Except that it wasn't. It was the second half of Sonic 3. You had to buy both Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles to get the full Sonic 3 experience as the developers originally intended.
BTW, everyone probably already knows this by now, but Michael Jackson produced a good chunk of the soundtrack. However, he left partially through production when the child abuse allegations started and thus went uncredited.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 275d
Street Fighter 2 is an especially bad example.
In like 18nmonths you had:
Street Fighter II
Street Fighter II:Champion
Street Fighter II:Hyper Fighting
Super Street Fighter II
Super Street Fighter II: Turbo
Instead of microtranactions, you just bought the whole fucking game again to get Vega or M Bison as playable characters or to get a projectile for Chun-Li.
tehmics@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 275d
Came here for this, sf2 is worse than the sonic 3 & knuckles example. Sonic and Knuckles is a fine game on its own, combining them gives you extra content, lets you play Sonic 3 as knuckles, and it even does some minor things for Sonic 1 and 2 as a bonus.
Samsy@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 275d
I started the genre with Super Street Fighter 2: the new challengers. Nothing before and after was better than this one.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 34 pts · 275d
To be fair on PC older games very often got expansion disks. On top of that people with nostalgia tend to forget a lot of games used to release with game breaking glitches and just never get updated because that wasn't possible.
tiramichu@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 275d
The example being Sonic and Knuckles specifically is relevant, because despite being released and marketed as an expansion, that content was originally supposed to be part of Sonic 3 but was cut due to deadlines and development time.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 8 pts · 275d
What i really hated about that was, that you never really knew if it was a bug that got you stuck or the game is just incomprehensible. I'm looking at you, Simon's quest.
kyoko916@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 275d
The spanish version of the first Digimon World was literally unplayable lmao, the game had a glitch with an Agumon NPC that is a softlock and makes impossible to continue from that point
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · 3 pts · 275d
German Version Too, expect you played it in a specific order...
But to defend old games (aka when Nintendo didn't sucked): when you wanted to release a game on a Nintendo console, you had to send a tape with the full gameplay from start to finish without cheats, otherwise it wouldn't be released.
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · 2 pts · 275d
Or you had game magazines :D I remember buying one specific magazine to get the patch for half life :D
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 275d
We actually got a whole lot more in terms of swag in the box. Maps, tokens, figures, etc.
grue@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 275d
Or at least a manual that actually contained substantive information.
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 275d
Seriously. Imagine if silksong had a swag bag. Itd make a killing.
I mean. It'd have made even more of a killing.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org · 2 pts · 275d
Reading that in the car on the way home was such a magical experience.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 1 pts · 275d
It sounds so sad, but these are some of my best memories. I don't think people will ever understand the joy of reading while imagining what the game actually plays like
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 275d
Vaguely gestures towards the multiple versions of Pokémon.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 9 pts · 275d
I dont remember arcades being free
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 4 pts · 275d
It's talking only about home consoles & PCs.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 275d
Idk man it says old games and there are 2 arcade games there.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 4 pts · 275d
I mean, I would assume that the SF2 is the SNES version, but if not, it could be Amiga, Saturn, or another version.
But, wait, "2"?
The games shown are:
Super Mario Bros. 3 | Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link: Sonic the Hedgehog
Street Fighter 2
Sonic and Knuckles | [meme]
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · -1 pts · 275d
Super Mario Bros 3 and Street Fighter 2 both had arcade versions. Which I just want to point out is just a previous iteration of monetization bullshit.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 4 pts · 275d
Okay, fair, but this is about the home releases. And I'd argue that PC-10 SMB3 is just the NES version, but instead of the KMart kiosks, you had to pay for it.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 2 pts · 275d
Yeah, its only ever been as bad as technology has allowed, and this trend shows it will only get worse. Dont really see how that doesnt pertain to the meme but ok chief.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 275d
and a cartridge that didn't have to connect to the internet to download before playing
FatVegan@leminal.space · 4 pts · 275d
When i look back, games definitely weren't all great. But what made them great was that you could plug them in and play. When you had a friend over, you could give him a controller and he could play, the games usually explained themselves.
I still play online with friends, but even with all the games steam has to offer, we often just play nothing. I don't like extraction shooters and call of duty games, my friends don't like pve games, this game is too complicated, here you have to play for 20 hours to get to the fun bit....
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 275d
Not exactly. Instead of DLCs you had sequels.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 11 pts · 275d
As opposed to not having sequels today? What are you smoking and where can I get some?
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 275d
but the sequels were good