‘My advice actually would be don’t go’: Expert warns Canadians about U.S. travel risks
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/my-advice-actually-would-be-dont-go-expert-warns-canadians-about-us-travel-risks/
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SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 51 pts · 244d
As an American, I say why TF would anyone sane come to this shithole? I wish I could get out!
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 19 pts · 244d
There are more than enough people who just don't give a fuck or don't know what's happening. I talked to a friend last week about the social media stuff and she just shrugged and told me she has nothing to hide.
can@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 244d
for now
who can say what mundane topic could be necessary to hide in the future
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 15 pts · 244d
Years after you've submitted the data.
The worst thing is, we're in Germany. Stasi wasn't that long ago.
can@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 244d
Oh boy that adds another level of irony for sure.
"and once again"
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 13 pts · 244d
Stasi was the Ministerium für Staatssicherheit of the GDR. It kept tabs on everyone and everything, decided if you were a citizen good enough to be allowed to go to college, decided if you were allowed to be in certain positions, spied on you with technology, friends, neighbors. They captured citizens they thought were a danger for their government, they killed people they deemed spies, they let people vanish over night.
This ended 1990 when the Berlin wall fell. It's been some time, but it's something you learn in school over here. And I would expect people to see parallels. But no, some have nothing to hide.
can@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 244d
That's very interesting and something I will have to do further reading on. Our closest parallel would probably be indigenous reserves and residential schools (read: assimilation schools). I was taught it but I think that may have just been partially where I grew up and a specific teacher that really put care into the subject. Anyone older or who grew up in other parts of the country (Alberta) even today probably don't learn anything about our horrid past (and present, reconciliation is a goal, not reality).
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 244d
If she's ever posted anything that can be interpreted as anti-trump, anti-republican, pro-democrat, pro-lgbt, or just anything the regime doesn't like, she has something to hide
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 7 pts · 244d
And here comes the worst part, that list isn't final. They're ready to move the goal posts further as we speak. What's OK now could get you in custody tomorrow.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 242d
Ask her for her passwords so you can see everything she posted asn all the DMs. See if she has anything to hide from you.
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 243d
Hahaha won’t gaf when US marines are taking over Canadian resources and governments, turning Canada into a territory. And hellfiring our cities. Maybe then they will notice?
can@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 244d
We have our share of insane individuals too sadly.
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 11 pts · 244d
Did I miss where your nut jobs proudly went all gestapo on your own citizens? I mean I remember the truckers shutting things down, and Ford... well what more need be said? But you're still noticably better off from what I can tell.
can@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 244d
I believe we are but we mustn't be so foolish as to think we couldn't slip further. I don't think we will, partially because of the states' example, but I'm still cautious.
TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 244d
Just like in your country, there are many here who would just like to pretend this is all business as usual, "ignore the politics", and carry on
adespoton@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 244d
And there are Canadians with those predatory timeshares in Florida that are damned either way….
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 243d
Since you are stuck there, hopefully you can work together with others in the same position to fix your country's problems.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 244d
Why are people still going to the Untied States? Are they that oblivious?
DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 243d
Yes. That's the result of decades of American propaganda.
My university just notified us about this academic year's round of an exchange program with the US. You'd be surprised how many students legitimately consider it a great opportunity.
It depends on the country, but in general it looks like about half of the general population has no idea what is going on in the US. Even fewer realise what has been going on for years.
zebidiah@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 243d
were you not paying attention during COVID? People are childish, and self centered assholes and don't give a shit about anything but themselves.
I'm fucking disgusted by the number of people, that I personally know, who still go to Detroit for concerts...
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 242d
FFFFs.
Fat
Fucks in
Flip
Flops
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 243d
But even if they don't care about other people, aren't they concerned for their own safety as non-citizens in Trump's America?
can@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 243d
No, that's something that happens to other people.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 242d
Not till they get caught in the net.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 244d
Yes, I think Australia travel to the US is down 4-7% or some such.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 243d
Terry and Barb Boomer need to spend that rental income in Florida.
Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 243d
Probably a mix of the oblivious, the aligned (we have our contingent that's OK with the direction of the U.S. They just suck), and people with family in need of support (lot of retirees in warm/dry places).
I was praying my grandfather would get his head out of his ass and come back to Canada for familial support after my grandmother died, but he's a stubborn old bastard who still gripes about PET and apparently renounced his Canadian citizenship at some point. So it's scheduled visits from his kids and a system where they get a text message if people don't see him at the dog park two days in a row. They kinda have to go, he's got no one else at this point.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 22 pts · 244d
I'm not an expert, but I'm American. Please, do not come. Please discourage US imports to wherever you are.
Let us keep our stuff and have less people.
TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 244d
Americans must be now finally realizing what's going on or something cause the amount of year and a half too late "dire warnings" to Canadians about shit we've been dealing with for a year now I've seen these past few days is crazy
can@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 244d
CTV is a Canadian news source, probably the biggest aside from our public one CBC
TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 243d
Thanks?
can@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 243d
Point is this article* is about Canadian experts.
recursive_recursion@piefed.ca · 20 pts · 244d
Anyone traveling to the US for one reason or another are playing IRL games of Buckshot Roulette against ICE
At this point I've got no clue who's still traveling to the US but either way, good luck👍
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 244d
Commercial drivers only I'm hoping.
can@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 244d
Even that will only get more risky
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 244d
I know quite a few people who still go all the time. Fucking Disney world Florida.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 243d
My kids are teens now, we survived not going to Disney world, and all we heard was the horror stories. It's our generation's Viet nam.
can@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 244d
They've already bought into the cult. Getting them out of it is possible but will be more challenging.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 244d
to escape the harsh winter in canada no doubt.
nyan@lemmy.cafe · 4 pts · 243d
Sensible people had rather deal with ice than with ICE.
non_burglar@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 244d
I have to go once a year because veterinary services are about 4x more expensive in my area of Canada.
Edit: but I'm not sure it's worth it anymore.
recursive_recursion@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 244d
With flights likely being cheaper due to increased demand; perhaþs Mexico might be a good option nowadays👍🍀
non_burglar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 244d
I was going to comment to clarify that I meant a short 4min drive, but holy damn....
can@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 244d
gotta love when that happens
asg101@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 243d
Anyone who still goes to the U.S. when they don’t absolutely have to is an open supporter of fascism, and deserves whatever happens to them.
Ininewcrow@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 243d
I'm Indigenous from northern Ontario and we have family all over the province. A month ago I had a group of friends tell me that they crossed over for day shopping over at Cornwall.
I told them that was stupid because they were brown non-white native people and that there was a high chance they would get in trouble.
They didn't care and said that all that was just stuff that happened somewhere else and wouldn't happen to them.
Now it worries me that at some point, we're going to hear news of some stupid thing happening soon where a group of native people will just get in trouble at a border crossing just because they were dumb enough to go there.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 242d
Wasn't there already stories about natives in America being swept up by ICE. I mean they don't care your not the white colour. And even being white doesn't mean you won't get grabbed by ICE.
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 243d
No shit. Lots of Canadians are from the groups being targeted and persecuted by the US. Why TF would we go there! Also we’re not going there, and it’s generational - fuck that shithole place.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 244d
Why the fuck would you wanna visit that shit hole in the first place? I mean, I get if you have family there or close friends, but whatever the means, why not make then come to Canada instead? (unless sick or handicapped ofc)
Auli@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 242d
One way relationship. Probably always go there and they never come here.
Bullerfar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 238d
Then screw them. If they can't deal with these great reasons why a canadian wouldn't wanna visit thr usa in it's current state, they are probably a part of the reason why.
jibjib14@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 243d
I feel bad for people who have to visit there for work.
ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social · -3 pts · 244d
Gotta love America still subtly implying that they are the leaders by assuming we need their word to not come to their fascist state. Yeah bud. We know. We've been watching the whole time
can@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 244d
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FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 244d
Gotta love the US defaultism online. Even people in Canada assume every article they see is coming from the Untied States