Elon Musk’s brand sold 12,130 new cars across the EU last month, down from 18,430 in November 2024
Tesla continued a run of weak sales in the EU in November, with new car registrations of Elon Musk’s brand down a third, while Chinese carmakers’ sales soared.
Tesla sold 12,130 new cars across the EU last month, down from 18,430 in November 2024, shrinking its market share from 2.1% to 1.4%, according to data from the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association (Acea), a lobby group.
The Chinese carmaker BYD recorded by far the fastest sales growth, with registrations across Europe almost tripling year on year up to November, to 42,500. Chinese state-owned SAIC, the owner of the MG brand, recorded sales increases of 26% to push sales to 217,000.
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Aarrodri@lemmy.ca · 79 pts · 241d
12k is still too high.
ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world · 17 pts · 241d
My thoughts exactly
BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca · 50 pts · 241d
I get why Americans might still buy them. But why the actual fuck would someone from the EU buy a Tesla now?
sausager@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 241d
I don't get why Americans would still buy them but then again I'm not a Nazi or pedo
NullTheWolf@pawb.social · 15 pts · 241d
I realize this isn't a real question but the US doesn't have access to the cheap Chinese cars
MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 241d
The US has access to lots of cheap used EVs. What’s holding up American adoption isn’t cost, it is propaganda and charger access for renters.
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 241d
They also don't have access to quality European cars without steep tariffs.
The US market is massively favoring American cars. Meaning they can only have shitty expensive American cars.
I just bought a used 4 year old VW ID.4 with 120.000 km (75.000 miles) on it, not a squeak to hear when I drive it. with Tesla they make noises already when delivered new from the factory!! At least the ones we get in Denmark do.
Horsey@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 241d
the US has very little choice in the EV space. Tesla is the cheapest and most technologically advanced. Anything else you buy here has some sort of compromise compared to the comparable Tesla product. I’d buy Renault if they weren’t banned here in the US.
sausager@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 240d
Hyundai electric cars are better in every way, from what I've read
Horsey@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 240d
With the Ioniq/Ev6(3), their closest competition is the model y because it’s priced way above the model 3. The displays in the Korean EVs today are paltry and nowhere near as well considered as Tesla software. Tesla software is like using an iPhone, while everything else on the market is like using a flip phone. In the US, our available “Android” option is either Rivian or polestar (neither of which are in the model 3/y budget, nor as smooth and well considered as Tesla). There’s a reason why the model y was the most popular car on the planet until China started making cars with software to match. Here is the US, I would only buy an Ioniq/Ev6 if it were 20k because of how small the screen is and how bad the software is.
paranoia@feddit.dk · 25 pts · 241d
0% finance which most other car companies don't offer.
deHaga@feddit.uk · 11 pts · 241d
Fleet buyers getting massive discounts probably
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 240d
I see Teslas on the road here in England, but seldom one that looks new. The new EVs I see are Kias, Renaults, MGs, and a small but growing number of BYDs. Once in a while you'll see a new Jaguar EV or Polestar.
Stefan_S_from_H@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 241d
Not everybody reads the news or is online a lot.
mcv@lemmy.zip · 33 pts · 241d
Who is still buying from Elon at this point?
Also, why aren't we buying European or Japanese EVs? Where are they?
Horsey@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 241d
There are no competitive Japanese EVs. European EVs are basically only available as premium brands outside of Europe.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 241d
Gonna have to agree there.
Years ago, I thought Toyota would pivot and become a forerunner in the EV revolution. They already put electric motors in their cars, they had hybrid versions of nearly everything they made a decade ago already!
Now it's been over a decade since Tesla made EVs an actual thing you could drive in the public's eyes... and the only electric Toyota that's not a van, that I can buy right now, is still the bZ4X which was kinda uninspiring when it came out.. let alone now.
At least earlier European electric cars (Volvo, BMW, Audi mostly) have started depreciating enough that they're in my ballpark now. I don't want to pay 30k EUR for a car that costs 30k EUR new, but I'll pay 30k EUR for a car that was 80k just 2-3 years ago. It's just one of my quirks, I want to get as much car as possible for as little money as possible, and to make up for it, I'll do my own repairs on formerly expensive, complex European automobiles.
yeather@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 240d
Toyota went all in on hybrids and hydrogen. Which isn’t available outside of California.
mirshafie@europe.pub · 1 pts · 240d
There are many advantages to hybrids over EVs, especially plug-in hybrids. In many scenarios PHEVs are not only more convenient/viable than EVs, they're cleaner than EVs over the vehicle's lifespan too. Think: shorter daily trips, mostly runs on electricity but with a smaller battery, in a scenario where electricity production comes from combustion.
For a majority of the world hybrids simply make way more sense, and that will continue to be the case for a decade at least. While I personally would prefer an EV for myself, I'm glad that Toyota is prioritising hybrids.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 240d
There are some unfortunate facts to consider.
mirshafie@europe.pub · 1 pts · 240d
Why do you need Toyota specifically to make EVs?
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 239d
I don't. I'm gonna keep buying European cars. I was replying to the person who said Japanese manufacturers are no longer competitive when it comes to EVs, then you came in and implied it's better that they focus on hybrids instead of EVs.
mirshafie@europe.pub · 2 pts · 239d
I responded to your expectation that Toyota should have become a leader for full EVs. I just tried to explain why I think it makes sense for them to keep doing what they're good at, which is hybrids. But overall I agree with the points you made, and I think lots of people like Toyota for being no-nonsense and reliable, and some of those people (like you and me) prefer EVs. I'm sure they will make some EVs soon enough though.
Scrollone@feddit.it · 5 pts · 241d
Toyota made a huge mistake going all in on hybrid cars.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 240d
Hybrids are not a bad transitional technology, and Toyota's hybrids are better than anyone else's. Their much bigger strategic mistake was sinking hundreds of millions into developing hydrogen-powered cars that nobody wanted, at the neglect of building up EV expertise.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 240d
The problem with hydrogen isn't that no one wants the cars, it's that it fundamentally makes no sense.
And it never will.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 241d
I thought they gambled on the hydrogen car?
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 240d
Yeah they did, and lost their shirts.
redplayer5@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 241d
Not true. They had record sales on their hybrids.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 241d
And still do. They're also about to release their solid state batteries, leapfrogging over lithium ion packs, which seems like the way to go considering people want more than 200-300 miles of range out of their vehicles.
xeekei@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 240d
I see plenty of Nissan Leafs on the roads. Sweden, EU.
Horsey@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 240d
The leaf is uncompetitive in the US at least because it still uses chademo charging, which is really outdated and will disappear
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 240d
SpaceX. No joke, Elon is just selling Cyber trucks to his other companies to pump up the sales numbers.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 241d
Nazis with money. That's who
ameancow@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 240d
mcv@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 239d
Which is why I want there to be more European and Japanese EVs. Why must this market be entirely in the hands of Musk and China?
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 241d
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 240d
Marketing. With Tesla, you're buying a future and a promise, and anyone criticizes Tesla also wants that future to not happen.
pyrinix@kbin.melroy.org · 15 pts · 241d
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 240d
That aren't skipping Teslas because of the car, they just don't want to do give Musk their money.
In a company with a LOT of problems, he is the company's biggest problem, by far, and as long as he helms the company, it will continue its slide. Ejecting him from all control of the company is the only chance that Tesla has to survive, although it is probably already too late.
With him, I predict that Tesla will be bankrupt within two years.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 240d
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 240d
Those are all MAGAs, or people who bought them before Musk irreparably destroyed his reputation. Sales are way, way down EVERYWHERE in the world, they are getting worse, and they aren't coming back. You are seeing so many of them because people can't get rid of them because they have absolutely no resale value, nobody wants them. Most Tesla buyers would dump them if they could, but even Tesla won't take them back in trade. There is no market for them, used or new.
If Musk hadn't dismantled the agencies that were investigating his products, they'd probably already be prohibited from building any more, until they meet regulatory compliance.
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 239d
The article is about the EU market, of course you're going to see more Teslas in a country that has 100% tariffs on the largest competitors.
NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 240d
I'm in the UK and I'm astounded at how many 2024/2025 Teslas there are in this country, and I'm an hour out of London so not even a city :(
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 239d
Doesn't the UK also have a lot of conservatives?
I was under the impression that tories are like republicans-lite.
NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 239d
Yes, you're not wrong, particularly down south but I'd assume that they'd be as affronted by the actions of Elon as someone more left leaning
SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 240d
It's 2035. Chinese EVs are still banned in the US market. The Trumpist regime still hasn't provided suitable alternative modes of transportation and the air is unbreathable. I have just snucked out of a San Diego harbor with a BYD electric hatchback. Life is good.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 240d
dermanus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 240d
They'll have it in a few weeks, ok? /s
Naich@lemmings.world · 4 pts · 241d
Quick give Elon more money!
Cloudstash@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 240d