While Kremlin propaganda feeds Russians fairy tales about “great friendship” and “strategic partnership without limits,” Chinese media calmly discusses exactly how those limits will be redrawn. Not someday in the distant future — but when Russia collapses. And according to Chinese authors, preparations should begin now.
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JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org · 59 pts · 242d
Putin has driven Russia in a really bad situation. His army is currently unable to conquer Ukraine. He lost most of the old soviet stockpile of tanks, airplanes and equipment. It looks like his air defense is broken and Ukraine is bombarding his refineries on a weekly basis. And he has lost so many people. We can also guess that the majority of his army and his air defenses are currently in Ukraine.
If China really wants to take russian land there is not much that Putin can do against it except to use his nuclear weapons.
snoons@lemmy.ca · 28 pts · 242d
Which might not be properly maintained. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 242d
Might‽‽‽ I can almost guarantee those were the first casualties of the corruption that is endemic in the Russian government and military.
jayambi@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 242d
i rember this scene of the Chernobyl mini series:
"Ah its only 3.5(unit of radiation) we don't need to worry!
But the testing device they had could only go as far as 3.5... The actual level was around a factor of 100 or so...
xeekei@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 242d
3.6 roentgen. Not great, not terrible.
snoons@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 242d
Those soviet era devices still work I bet. I wonder if any fascists are using them...
jayambi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 242d
let's hope
DandomRude@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 242d
And that's just the military perspective. Economically, things are unlikely to look much better.
I think it was another clever move by the Chinese: Russia's abandonment of trade with Europe has made it very dependent on China. Sooner or later, they will be able to pick up the pieces - bankrupt assets at bargain prices, so to speak.
philpo@feddit.org · 8 pts · 242d
Winnie doesn't need force. He simply can use his economic power.
If he simply puts a full embargo on Russia Putler would be done within a year.
jimmy90@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 240d
nobody linked the original as far as i can see so:
https://m.163.com/dy/article/KHNNTAJA0556EX1M.html?spss=adap_pc
frisbird@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 240d
"Chinese media" is apparently a basketball fan with 48 followers posting speculative blog posts on the gamer equivalent of substance. Fuck this Ukrainian "journalist".
purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone · 31 pts · 242d
AI Generated Thumbnail. No thanks, not reading that.
frisbird@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 242d
Good choice. The author claims there's an article somewhere in China that someone wrote. Never links to it. Never names the author. It read like fanfic.
silly_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 241d
To be fair if there is such an article, it is probably on wechat, which AFAIK does not allow outside links.
frisbird@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 241d
It says, right in the fanfic, it comes from NetEase, a gaming website.
jimmy90@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 240d
https://m.163.com/dy/article/KHNNTAJA0556EX1M.html?spss=adap_pc
glhf
frisbird@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 240d
Yup. Fan fic. The author of this article has 48 followers. The disclaimed from NetEase at the bottom says that NetEase is a social media platform and people who publish articles are just random people with no affiliation. The author's handle "Shuo Fang Lookout" is likely a reference to being a fan of the Chinese basketball star.
So exactly as I said. It's bullshit fanfic being reported on by a Ukrainian "journalist" because he thinks it helps to make the case that China is not actually Russia's ally.
So, trash.
jimmy90@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 240d
https://m.163.com/dy/article/KHNNTAJA0556EX1M.html?spss=adap_pc
someone can't speak chinese
frisbird@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 240d
"Chinese media" is apparently a basketball fan with 48 followers posting speculative blog posts on the gamer equivalent of substance. Fuck this Ukrainian "journalist".
jimmy90@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 240d
https://m.163.com/dy/article/KHNNTAJA0556EX1M.html?spss=adap_pc
<3
look i even did a thing to make you feel warm and snuggly
https://archive.ph/z3Ete
frisbird@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 240d
Since posted it twice I will just copy and paste my response from your other comment
Yup. Fan fic. The author of this article has 48 followers. The disclaimed from NetEase at the bottom says that NetEase is a social media platform and people who publish articles are just random people with no affiliation. The author's handle "Shuo Fang Lookout" is likely a reference to being a fan of the Chinese basketball star.
So exactly as I said. It's bullshit fanfic being reported on by a Ukrainian "journalist" because he thinks it helps to make the case that China is not actually Russia's ally.
So, trash.
jimmy90@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 240d
https://m.163.com/dy/article/KHNNTAJA0556EX1M.html?spss=adap_pc
be brave darling
frisbird@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 240d
"Chinese media" is apparently a basketball fan with 48 followers posting speculative blog posts on the gamer equivalent of substance. Fuck this Ukrainian "journalist".
specimen@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 242d
let_them_fight.gif
yakko@feddit.uk · 43 pts · 242d
They're not gonna fight. This one is over before it started, Russia is already well along the path to becoming a Chinese client state.
RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 242d
You're joking about WW3.
plyth@feddit.org · 14 pts · 242d
WW3 is USA against China. This post is about the contingency plan to prevent the US from controlling China's northern border.
Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 242d
You sure it won't be Europe and China against America?
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 242d
That seems a bit of a stretch in terms of geopolitical cooperation, and if we are going off nuclear arsenal concentrations and overall military budgets, it would likely end up with the majority of WWIII's damage coming from the US and China regardless.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 242d
Oddly I could maybe see Trump siding with Russia and the EU siding with China.
plyth@feddit.org · 1 pts · 241d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
That would be America's worst nightmare.
They look like buffoons right now but I think it's all strategy to prevent people in Europe from questioning the armament. The European leaders know or we would negotiate differently.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 11 pts · 242d
I also make jokes about climate change. Not because I don't think it's real, but because I am powerless to do anything about it and humor is my sole way of coping with anything.
frisbird@lemmy.ml · 25 pts · 242d
I know you're all pigs feeding at the trough, but please have some self respect.
NetEase is a video game platform.
The author of this article never links to the article and I can't find it anywhere. (Edit: someone here found it for me and it's exactly as I thought. It's a Chinese gamer substance, the author has 48 followers, and his handle is just totally anonymous and shows he's a fan of a famous Chinese basketball player. "Chinese media" my ass.)
The author of this article never names the author of the article he's supposedly writing about. He just keeps saying "the author".
He's writing about something that is negative for Russia, as a Ukrainian "journalist", reporting on what is likely a random gamer doing the same bullshit armchair strategizing that you goons do on a regular basis, without citing a single thing and without backing up any of his claims.
"Chinese media" isn't discussing anything. This is not journalism. This is pure slop.
aphonefriend@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -3 pts · 241d
How's the blackout going for you?
randomname@scribe.disroot.org · 19 pts · 242d
I posted this already in another thread, but it fits here also.
In December 2024, a video was circulating on Chinese social media that shows how China should conquer parts of Siberia up to lake Baikal.
Not_Dav3@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 241d
So Outer Manchuria and Buryatia? I'm not condoning it but I'm also not surprised that there are nationalists making irredentist claims to these places.
gigachad@piefed.social · 17 pts · 242d
I guess you already know what I, as a German have to say regarding Kaliningrad/Konigsberg -
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler Please keep that shithole for yourself, we don't want it :::
jenesaisquoi@feddit.org · 6 pts · 242d
Fun fact: Russia offered Königsberg to Germany in the 90s. Germany declined. They offered it to Poland next, which also declined.
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 241d
Is it because as soon as you have a large concentration of Russian people in a territory, that leaves a Causus Belli for Russia to attack you in the future under the guise of protecting their people?
jenesaisquoi@feddit.org · 2 pts · 240d
Today, absolutely! Back then, it might not've been a concern, as Russia was effectively bankrupt and busy trying not to completely collapse. I think it was more about integrating a sizeable russian minority, dealing with significant enironmental pollution, deteriorating infrastructure and soviet-built nuclear reactors being too much of a headache, not to mention stupidly expensive.
snoons@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 242d
but imagine turning the hole place into a hans im glück
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 1 pts · 242d
If, however, it is cleansed of orcish contamination, the topology of its bridges should be restored to what it was in Euler’s time, and it should be placed on the UNESCO world heritage register as such.
Other than that, making it Czechia’s Baltic port sounds sensible.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 14 pts · 242d
Wonder if Japan has a chance of reclaiming its (never formally ceded) Northern Territories (“Kuril islands”), or whether China will occupy them specifically to prevent this.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 242d
I oppose Chinese imperialism.
BUT, anything that gives Poots a sad is OK with me.
Gobbel2000@programming.dev · 6 pts · 242d
I'm not sure that's really what's happening. The plan is specifically for when Russia collapses. I fear that this might make the job of any more democratic successor to Putin much harder, because the worst way to start a new government is by having a large part of your country taken away.
manxu@piefed.social · 3 pts · 241d
Fair, but also exactly what happens to empires in general when they stumble. That's been true since the dawn of civilization, and for Russia herself in 1917, then in 1991.
Russia's case is particularly bad, because outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg, people seem to be very meh about being part of Russia, despite propaganda making it seem otherwise. I think we got the best indication of it when Wagner marched to Moscow without any significant resistance, cheered on by significant parts of the population.
witty_username@feddit.nl · 12 pts · 242d
vpol@feddit.uk · 12 pts · 242d
Finland.
jenesaisquoi@feddit.org · 3 pts · 242d
Along with Karelia
tal@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 242d
I doubt that China will try to break up Russia. I do think that China will aim to establish long-run Russian dependence on China.
atro_city@fedia.io · 9 pts · 242d
If Winnie The Pooh could do us all a solid and stop supporting Russia for a goddamn second, they could easily take over the 1M km2. What's Russia going to do?
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 242d
While china sides with russia, china still wants russia, Europe, and the US draining money and resources in Ukraine and not paying attention to Taiwan or its other territorial ambitions, including lands it previously lost to russia
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 242d
I can't wait for the tankie support of imperialist china. I'm not gay but I kinda enjoy watching someone suck their own dick.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -5 pts · 242d
Hey, asshole, trans women exist. You're covered.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 242d
Look a tankie.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 242d
Pointing out there's a heteromasculine way to enjoy watching autofellatio is a very tankie thing to do. Was a directive from the central committee of the 69th internationale.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 241d
Nope. Deciding someone should not have their own way of seeing things and forcing your opinion on them is a very tankie thing to do.
cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 241d
That is absolutely what I was doing. Yes. Thank you for understanding
rustyfish@piefed.world · 3 pts · 242d
You overestimate how much we care about Russia, its territory or the people. The answer is: not that much.
reksas@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 241d
i really dont want china as neighbour..
plyth@feddit.org · -7 pts · 242d
This is a contingency plan. China must be interested in maintaining Russia as a buffer at its northern border.
Doesn't the author know that the West is doing the same in Ukraine?
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 242d
A buffer at its northern border? A buffer from what? Polar bears?
plyth@feddit.org · 2 pts · 242d
A systemic rival who could use it as a staging ground like they used Iraq's neighbors. Using Korea alone would be too defendable.
frisbird@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 242d
How can you even say that? There's no link to the article in question, if you search for it online the only things you get trace back to this author and this article, and there's no attribution .
plyth@feddit.org · 1 pts · 242d
Which part of my comment?
frisbird@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 242d
It's not a contingency plan at all! It's likely a try-hard post on a gamer forum.
plyth@feddit.org · 1 pts · 241d
I mean it in the sense that China is not actively planning to carve up Russia.
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 242d