The First Gulf War was at least a legitimate and internationally sanctioned response to an unprovoked act of aggression by one power upon a sovereign nation.
This is just... unilaterally fucking kidnapping a head of state we aren't at war with because we don't like him?
Fuck, I have about the lowest opinion possible of Maduro, but this wasn't the way to go about things, and God only knows how it's going to end. I hope without massive casualties in Venezuela, but I suspect it will be something to that tune.
USA's military command seems to follow the order (illegals AND stupid) of this insane person in power, and he's insane enough to order a nuke attack (I'm sure he's dreaming about it)
you cannot expect any other sane country to take a risk of nuclear war. The solution has to come from inside the USA
The world's biggest military superpower is now apparently willing to just kidnap anyone they don't like, anywhere in the world, ignoring international law. That's so fucking terrifying that I'm at a loss for words
Unfortunately, it's going to be up to the rest of the developed world to do something about it. If Trump just gets away with it he's absolutely going to invade another country before the month is over. It might be Canada, or Greenland, but this is going to give him the taste. If expansionism is on the plate, Mango Mussolini is gonna eat till someone kicks him out of the restaurant.
Explanation: The US has, apparently, kidnapped Nicolas Maduro, the authoritarian leader of Venezuela. We did this, apparently, despite not being at war with Venezuela or having any other justification other than "We don't like him."
There is a slim chance that it ends here, and everything turns out rainbows and butterflies. There is a much, much larger chance that this kicks off a larger war in which many Venezuelan civilians will die because shitwit here wants to play kidnapper, and the whole US system is too broken - or too disinterested - to stop him.
I honestly don't know, what to think about this. Maduro is a dictator who had driven third of population out. So I have no sympathy for him.
But it is clear that Trump administration doesn't give a hoot about the people, Trump is even good friend with El Salvador's dictator. Also, US was many times before successful with overthrowing regimes, but it usually ended in something worse.
But in the end, US is the strongest country, so they can do whatever they want. I'm glad I live in a country that is considered an ally and has no oil.
If you haven't been paying attention, the current us gov does not give two shits about who is or isn't an ally and does not care about any previous agreements made
We’ve raised an entire generation, Z, with rewired brains. Anxiety regarding anything even remotely resembling confrontation, including face to face interactions with humans. Not unlike Murderbot’s inability to directly interact without using his drones as a go between buffer for his own eyeballs. Minus the android strength, speed, and general badassery.
In addition, helicopter parents imbue a tendency towards the authoritarian. People are drawn to the familiar. Being told what to do, where to be, etc, instead of sorting through it yourself creates a “lean” in that direction. A passiveness to go with the flow. In addition to the need to avoid all that nasty anxiety that comes with anything even remotely resembling confrontation.
Not all, off course. We’re talking middle of the bell curve numbers here.
So unless GenX learns to move past their creaky joints, and millennials decide they’re punk too, no one is going to do anything outside of organized, specific, one day limited marches in nice weather.
GenX will likely die pushing people to free and open source and Linux, but that’s about all the rebellion against the system I think we can realistically expect from others here.
Hasn't Gen X voted slightly more for trump than the alternative both times?
Millennials and Gen Z both voted against him with a sizable difference. Gen Z significantly more than millennials which surprised me given the reporting that keeps seemingly gaslighting me that the kids are all fascists these days.
If you're gonna do this intergenerational conflict schtick, you should maybe try pushing free and open onto your peers and elders as they're seemingly the ones in dire need of it.
Nope. The US bombed a dozen military installations around Caracas and then flew directly to Maduro with a bunch of helicopters. Screams of a negotiation arranged ahead of his time: I'll make it simple for you to take me if you don't shed Venezuelan blood.
52 Comments
PugJesus@piefed.social · 68 pts · 239d
On the upside, this means any country kidnapping Trump without warning will be an option. Canada, if you're listening...
Rusty@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 239d
Canadians burned the White House 200 years ago, we can do it again.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 239d
Well, we could burn down what's left of it. Trump has worked hard already to make sure it's a shit show
AreaKode@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 239d
It's already in disrepair after the current owner tried some DIY renovations to build a shed out back (a ballroom, I believe he called it).
Eldritch@piefed.world · 8 pts · 239d
Whitehouse is the new less successful groverhaus?
BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 239d
Are we certain trump isn't grover in an elaborate disguise?
TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 239d
Good meme sir. As always. The benefit of the world being shit is the shitposting
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 239d
Yeah, my first thought was, why can't we get anyone to kidnap Trump? (obv. not Melania)
My second thought was, The Ransom of Red Chief.
MisterNeon@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 239d
I fucking hate it here.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 34 pts · 239d
The First Gulf War was at least a legitimate and internationally sanctioned response to an unprovoked act of aggression by one power upon a sovereign nation.
This is just... unilaterally fucking kidnapping a head of state we aren't at war with because we don't like him?
Fuck, I have about the lowest opinion possible of Maduro, but this wasn't the way to go about things, and God only knows how it's going to end. I hope without massive casualties in Venezuela, but I suspect it will be something to that tune.
Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de · 20 pts · 239d
This one sounds like it's an
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 239d
Sounds like the sort of thing that calls for a legitimate and internationally sactioned response.
whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 239d
By who and how?
USA's military command seems to follow the order (illegals AND stupid) of this insane person in power, and he's insane enough to order a nuke attack (I'm sure he's dreaming about it)
you cannot expect any other sane country to take a risk of nuclear war. The solution has to come from inside the USA
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 239d
There doesn't need to be war. Everyone could just sell their treasury bonds from the USA and watch the dollar fall into dust.
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 239d
Government’s are not going to crash the world economy over Maduro
PugJesus@piefed.social · 6 pts · 239d
Yeah. Unfortunately, I don't think we're getting an international response of the same magnitude as Saddam got.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 239d
False. Oil is like the only thing right now that is actually cheap as fuck.
We are going to war over a need to distract from the Epstein Files.
The entire Venezuela story is just a subsection of the Epstein Files story. You are still watching the Epstein Files story.
Ethalis@jlai.lu · 53 pts · 239d
The world's biggest military superpower is now apparently willing to just kidnap anyone they don't like, anywhere in the world, ignoring international law. That's so fucking terrifying that I'm at a loss for words
positiveWHAT@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 239d
The fuckers think they have jurisdiction in other countries, but disregard the international court.
Dear citizens of USA, expect more hate your way.
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 239d
Unfortunately, it's going to be up to the rest of the developed world to do something about it. If Trump just gets away with it he's absolutely going to invade another country before the month is over. It might be Canada, or Greenland, but this is going to give him the taste. If expansionism is on the plate, Mango Mussolini is gonna eat till someone kicks him out of the restaurant.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 7 pts · 239d
Gluttony was always what shitwit was best at.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 239d
Mexico is next. Once the World Cup is over they will kidnap the president of Mexico and use drugs as an excuse.
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 239d
Ooh, interesting take. I hadn't considered that one at all. Perhaps a violent unification of the American Supercontinent is what's in the works.
marighost@piefed.social · 1 pts · 239d
Just aim your hate at the regime I DID NOT VOTE FOR. We hate this shit, too.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 239d
Where have you been? There's a reason US schools do not teach any South American history besides the Maya and Inca
IcyToes@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 239d
This isn't the first time US went for regime change. It is just more blatant and direct.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 239d
Reminds me of Noriega which wasn’t all that long ago. They accused him of drug trafficking too.
ThunderComplex@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 239d
Ok but Trump said this was in accordance with US law so it’s all good doe /s
PugJesus@piefed.social · 34 pts · 239d
Explanation: The US has, apparently, kidnapped Nicolas Maduro, the authoritarian leader of Venezuela. We did this, apparently, despite not being at war with Venezuela or having any other justification other than "We don't like him."
There is a slim chance that it ends here, and everything turns out rainbows and butterflies. There is a much, much larger chance that this kicks off a larger war in which many Venezuelan civilians will die because shitwit here wants to play kidnapper, and the whole US system is too broken - or too disinterested - to stop him.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 239d
They did fucking WHAT??!
PugJesus@piefed.social · 18 pts · 239d
Yeah
AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 239d
What the fuck
What the fuck
What the fuck
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 239d
Wait when did this happen? Just now?
PugJesus@piefed.social · 15 pts · 239d
2-3 hours ago
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 239d
Fucking hell. One more step to full terrorist superpower.
Eldritch@piefed.world · 2 pts · 239d
ji59@hilariouschaos.com · 5 pts · 239d
I honestly don't know, what to think about this. Maduro is a dictator who had driven third of population out. So I have no sympathy for him. But it is clear that Trump administration doesn't give a hoot about the people, Trump is even good friend with El Salvador's dictator. Also, US was many times before successful with overthrowing regimes, but it usually ended in something worse. But in the end, US is the strongest country, so they can do whatever they want. I'm glad I live in a country that is considered an ally and has no oil.
DokPsy@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 239d
If you haven't been paying attention, the current us gov does not give two shits about who is or isn't an ally and does not care about any previous agreements made
Zephorah@discuss.online · -13 pts · 239d
We’ve raised an entire generation, Z, with rewired brains. Anxiety regarding anything even remotely resembling confrontation, including face to face interactions with humans. Not unlike Murderbot’s inability to directly interact without using his drones as a go between buffer for his own eyeballs. Minus the android strength, speed, and general badassery.
In addition, helicopter parents imbue a tendency towards the authoritarian. People are drawn to the familiar. Being told what to do, where to be, etc, instead of sorting through it yourself creates a “lean” in that direction. A passiveness to go with the flow. In addition to the need to avoid all that nasty anxiety that comes with anything even remotely resembling confrontation.
Not all, off course. We’re talking middle of the bell curve numbers here.
So unless GenX learns to move past their creaky joints, and millennials decide they’re punk too, no one is going to do anything outside of organized, specific, one day limited marches in nice weather.
GenX will likely die pushing people to free and open source and Linux, but that’s about all the rebellion against the system I think we can realistically expect from others here.
9point6@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 239d
Hasn't Gen X voted slightly more for trump than the alternative both times?
Millennials and Gen Z both voted against him with a sizable difference. Gen Z significantly more than millennials which surprised me given the reporting that keeps seemingly gaslighting me that the kids are all fascists these days.
If you're gonna do this intergenerational conflict schtick, you should maybe try pushing free and open onto your peers and elders as they're seemingly the ones in dire need of it.
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 239d
You use Arch by the way, right?
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 239d
Gen X are the ones that voted for Trump.
Zephorah@discuss.online · 0 pts · 239d
In terms of REP and DEM, genx rates didn’t change. Gen Z however….
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 239d
Does it matter if they didn't change if they were already voting Rep?
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 239d
Me on Jan 1: It's a new year. It can't be as bad as 2025. I'm gonna stop drinking, and exercise, lay off the weed, and cook healthy.
USA on January 3: Invades a sovereign nation and kidnaps leader.
Me on January 3: Fuck it. Chugs from a 5th of whiskey while rolling a blunt.
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 239d
The fascist American regime kidnapped the President of Venezulea.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 5 pts · 239d
"We can't get Greenland or the EU. Let's go with another Latin American country, that has always worked before."
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 239d
Historical context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama
Say what you will. The US is deposing yet another regime over oil.
But I’m breathing a sigh of relief over what could have been a much larger “just cause” war.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 4 pts · 239d
Don't breathe deep just yet. This isn't necessarily the end of it.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 239d
Yyep. My comment aged like a ripe avocado.
Allonzee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 239d
As an American, I hope his presidential guard at least killed some of us.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net · -1 pts · 239d
Nope. The US bombed a dozen military installations around Caracas and then flew directly to Maduro with a bunch of helicopters. Screams of a negotiation arranged ahead of his time: I'll make it simple for you to take me if you don't shed Venezuelan blood.