Nah. I wish, but until now Europeans have shown no backbone at all against Trump. When the USA take Greenland, the Danish and Greenlanders are gonna be alone, because that's what happens between NATO members in conflict. The USA, of course, designed it like that.
A UK general said it best. If the US invades Greenland, NATO will naturally dissolve, because it is solely based on trust. Break that trust and it's over.
Which, indeed, could mean the end of NATO. If it becomes clear that the "alliance" is basically you following the provisions when it serves the US and nobody following them when it doesn't, what's the point of all this legalese?
France is in no condition for any war, they could at most crackdown on tiny New Caledonia but have no strenght to do anything to Sahel states. UK military is in complete shambles. So not only they are unwilling to stand to USA but unable to.
The UK and France combined would have a problem if there was a single carrier parked in the North Atlantic. They might have a chance if all the US Carriers and subs were 2000 miles away.
There is nothing anyone except the US can do about a US annexation of Greenland, short of Nuclear weapons.
Meanwhile Europe spends its so called independence weapons fund once on American weapons. I fully support the liberation of Greenland from the literal Danish Nazis colonizing it and doing eugenics till this day
This practice was banned already last year in January. If you think this is grounds to invade a sovereign nation then you've got some twisted world views. Maybe the US should be liberated from it's oppressive anti-abortion, anti-trans government, hm? Sounds like the exact same argument to me. Every country has its problems. If you think invading is going to make anything better, then fuck right off.
Despite the ban, parenting competency tests are still being used by municipalities as evidence against Greenlandic parents at the National Social Appeals Board, Gjørret says. The Ministry of Social Affairs and Housing denies this, saying that “Since May 1, 2025, the National Social Appeals Board has not used standardised psychological tests for decisions on placement of a child from a Greenlandic family in care outside the home.”
The global south. NATO is the millitary alliance of the world's imperialist powers, a destruction of millitary unity among imperialists would severely weaken imperialism. NATO is "defensive" in the same way the Iron Dome is, it gives imperialist countries free reign to treat the world like something to be looted and plundered without fear of genuine blowback.
Considering they are aligned with the west, who plunder the world's wealth through export of capital and unequal exchange, that's not really surprising. Opposition to NATO is pretty basic among anti-imperialists and the global south in general.
God damn it, I hate my education system. I thought NATO was the peacekeeper of the world — a valuable residue of WWII. One sided propaganda-based education developed to fuel a belief in American exceptionalism and nationalistic egoism. This education-level propaganda is pretty effective because you don’t actually know what details to question, and so you grow up with some pretty bold assumptions about how the world works (and don’t even realize it). They had me believing Christopher Columbus was some kind of messiah-explorer too.
How does this happen? My anti-conspiracy brain wants to believe there’s no such thing as an evil man behind the curtain, twisting his mustache and orchestrating these details like ”meh, we need to make sure all the kids believe in this propaganda such that we have an imperialistic society.” So, short of that, how does this happen so effectively?
2 major factors: In any given society, the mode of production is reinforced by the culture, laws, and ideology of said mode of production. Secondly, people license themselves to believe that whatever they think benefits them is good. Capitalism reinforces ideas like individualism, NATO is good, etc, and we go along with it until our material conditions force us into seeing a new reflection of reality, be it at the workplace, or seeing hard evidence online, being the victim of a bombing campaign, etc. It isn't a man behind the curtain, but capital and the capitalist class.
Nato is an imperialist alliance that was created to fight imperalist USSR. Many of the funding countries was still colonizing other countries when it was created. Nato also destroyed Lybia which is the clearest example of it not being just a defensive alliance. Nato also collaborate with Israel who hold the longest current occupation, again has nothing to do with Europe protection.
The US could leave Nato today, attack a Nato country and Nato will do nothing about it
One major correction, the USSR was anti-imperialist, which is why the imperialists collaborated to oppose them. Their colonies were in danger of liberation due to the soviets aiding anti-imperialist movements.
Comparing Afghanistan to 500 years of European colonialism is an interesting strategy.
Especially since it send to ignore the fact Russia became involved in Afghanistan due in part to Western nations sponsoring a series of coups to take control of their former colony in the first place.
That's not what socialists mean by imperialism, by that vibes-based definition defeating Nazi Germany was "imperialism." Imperialism is instead a form of international exploitation characterized by dominance of monopoly finance capital, export of capital, and super-exploiting the global south for super profits. Spreading socialism is anti-imperialist.
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selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 37 pts · 213d
Nah. I wish, but until now Europeans have shown no backbone at all against Trump. When the USA take Greenland, the Danish and Greenlanders are gonna be alone, because that's what happens between NATO members in conflict. The USA, of course, designed it like that.
thorhop@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 212d
A UK general said it best. If the US invades Greenland, NATO will naturally dissolve, because it is solely based on trust. Break that trust and it's over.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 213d
I bet NATO would have defended Greece against Turkey, but that’s different. Somehow.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 213d
Well, yes it is different.
Scirocco@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 213d
Does an invasion/attack by one NATO member trigger an Article 5 response against that country by the remainder of NATO?
I am sure that this scenario has been imagined before (ahem Greece v. Turkey)
Yeller_king@reddthat.com · 28 pts · 213d
Unless countries like the UK and France are willing to deploy their militaries to fight US soldiers in Greenland, it doesn't matter.
Grapho@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 212d
Which, indeed, could mean the end of NATO. If it becomes clear that the "alliance" is basically you following the provisions when it serves the US and nobody following them when it doesn't, what's the point of all this legalese?
Yeller_king@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 212d
Yep I think NATO is effectively dead already. We don't need to wait for the Greenland annexation for that to be the case.
PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 213d
France is in no condition for any war, they could at most crackdown on tiny New Caledonia but have no strenght to do anything to Sahel states. UK military is in complete shambles. So not only they are unwilling to stand to USA but unable to.
Triasha@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 213d
The UK and France combined would have a problem if there was a single carrier parked in the North Atlantic. They might have a chance if all the US Carriers and subs were 2000 miles away.
There is nothing anyone except the US can do about a US annexation of Greenland, short of Nuclear weapons.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 213d
The usa could leave Nato and attack a nato country and Nato will do nothing about it
sik0fewl@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 213d
That's what it says. At least, it does not make an exception for that scenario.
bufalo1973@piefed.social · 24 pts · 213d
COULD?
folaht@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 213d
Yeah, they are THAT cowardly.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 213d
Hopefully will.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 212d
If only the working class across all nations had a defensive alliance. Oh you wanna go to war? General strike.
Fuck these imaginary lines on a map. We are a divided and conquered species.
queermunist@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 213d
Ojalá
Let them eat each other.
doomsdayrs@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 212d
Insallah the world will be freed
mlg@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 209d
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 212d
Meanwhile Europe spends its so called independence weapons fund once on American weapons. I fully support the liberation of Greenland from the literal Danish Nazis colonizing it and doing eugenics till this day
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/jun/29/controversial-danish-parenting-test-separated-greenlandic-mother-children
xthexder@l.sw0.com · 0 pts · 212d
This practice was banned already last year in January. If you think this is grounds to invade a sovereign nation then you've got some twisted world views. Maybe the US should be liberated from it's oppressive anti-abortion, anti-trans government, hm? Sounds like the exact same argument to me. Every country has its problems. If you think invading is going to make anything better, then fuck right off.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 212d
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 213d
Donald Trump likes this post.
rezad@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 213d
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · -1 pts · 213d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 213d
Would be one of the most internationally positive outcomes of 2026 if NATO dissolves.
SippyCup@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 213d
For whom
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 213d
The global south. NATO is the millitary alliance of the world's imperialist powers, a destruction of millitary unity among imperialists would severely weaken imperialism. NATO is "defensive" in the same way the Iron Dome is, it gives imperialist countries free reign to treat the world like something to be looted and plundered without fear of genuine blowback.
czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -4 pts · 213d
I’m sure Ukraine, the Baltic trio and Poland agree with you.
Edit: shit, so many opinions of me based on a less than 15 word comment. I’m sure y’all are fun at parties.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 213d
Considering they are aligned with the west, who plunder the world's wealth through export of capital and unequal exchange, that's not really surprising. Opposition to NATO is pretty basic among anti-imperialists and the global south in general.
partofthevoice@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 212d
God damn it, I hate my education system. I thought NATO was the peacekeeper of the world — a valuable residue of WWII. One sided propaganda-based education developed to fuel a belief in American exceptionalism and nationalistic egoism. This education-level propaganda is pretty effective because you don’t actually know what details to question, and so you grow up with some pretty bold assumptions about how the world works (and don’t even realize it). They had me believing Christopher Columbus was some kind of messiah-explorer too.
How does this happen? My anti-conspiracy brain wants to believe there’s no such thing as an evil man behind the curtain, twisting his mustache and orchestrating these details like ”meh, we need to make sure all the kids believe in this propaganda such that we have an imperialistic society.” So, short of that, how does this happen so effectively?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 212d
2 major factors: In any given society, the mode of production is reinforced by the culture, laws, and ideology of said mode of production. Secondly, people license themselves to believe that whatever they think benefits them is good. Capitalism reinforces ideas like individualism, NATO is good, etc, and we go along with it until our material conditions force us into seeing a new reflection of reality, be it at the workplace, or seeing hard evidence online, being the victim of a bombing campaign, etc. It isn't a man behind the curtain, but capital and the capitalist class.
mrdown@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 213d
Nato is an imperialist alliance that was created to fight imperalist USSR. Many of the funding countries was still colonizing other countries when it was created. Nato also destroyed Lybia which is the clearest example of it not being just a defensive alliance. Nato also collaborate with Israel who hold the longest current occupation, again has nothing to do with Europe protection.
The US could leave Nato today, attack a Nato country and Nato will do nothing about it
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 213d
One major correction, the USSR was anti-imperialist, which is why the imperialists collaborated to oppose them. Their colonies were in danger of liberation due to the soviets aiding anti-imperialist movements.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 213d
If the USSR was anti-imperialist it wouldn't have been involved in Afghanistan
edit: Imperialism : a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.
It was imperialism since the goal was to spread socialism to other countries and I have no issues with socialism.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 213d
I think it should be self evident why that definition is bullshit
Edie@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 212d
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 0 pts · 213d
Comparing Afghanistan to 500 years of European colonialism is an interesting strategy.
Especially since it send to ignore the fact Russia became involved in Afghanistan due in part to Western nations sponsoring a series of coups to take control of their former colony in the first place.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 213d
That's not what socialists mean by imperialism, by that vibes-based definition defeating Nazi Germany was "imperialism." Imperialism is instead a form of international exploitation characterized by dominance of monopoly finance capital, export of capital, and super-exploiting the global south for super profits. Spreading socialism is anti-imperialist.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 213d
Humanity
MNByChoice@midwest.social · -3 pts · 213d
Europe may need to end the Russian invasion fast so they only have one front to fight on.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 213d
Fastest way is for Kiev to cede the 4 oblasts that already want to be a part of the Russian Federation anyways, and NATO neutrality.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 212d
Are there other places like these 4 oblasts that want to be a part of the Russian federation?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 212d
Generally they already are a part of the Russian Federation if they want to be.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 212d
Appreciate your reply.
sanguinepar@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 213d
dessalines@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 213d
"What are we, a bunch of asians!!??!"
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 213d
No? Trump is doing the most Statesian things possible, he isn't a Russian plant.