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c/mildlyinfuriating · by DeltaWingDragon@sh.itjust.works · 225d

Capital i and lowercase L look the same in pretty much any sans-serif computer font

I l

l I

Guess which one is which?

I don't really care about 1, because it's usually different, and I can't be arsed to change the font.

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NorthWestWind@lemmy.world · 62 pts · 225d (5 replies)

I Il
lI IL

notabot@piefed.social · 25 pts · 225d

I'm sorry for you Ioss. Was it caused by poor font design?

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 225d

.:|:;

YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth · 8 pts · 225d (1 reply)

Is this IOS?

wabafee@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 225d

No, this is sans-serif

NachBarcelona@piefed.social · 3 pts · 224d

in that case it's 1 2 2 49, which i prefer over a single L.

lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 225d

Not sure what you’re talking about

y0kai@anarchist.nexus · 33 pts · 225d (3 replies)

People named Al are not necessarily artificially intelligent.

Zachariah@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 225d (2 replies)

but they could be weird

sanguinepar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 225d (1 reply)

One of them calls me Betty.

Zachariah@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 225d

I can be your long lost pal

foggy@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 225d (3 replies)

As a job title: sysadmin

Loathe.

Every now and then there crops up the situation where there is no copy/paste from host to host. And when that involves a fucking product key or some shit... Mother fuckers just base 58 that shit.

What would you rather read and type?

Product key: "I dont fucking know lots of lllllIIIIIIlllIII etc"

Or...

Product key: "CqiDNKttsj1NUubpbVJ2VJL9eMEpRvRFMV3hNPRxtUX7SMox5UQjeEZX3DqqHNAfkSE"

I rest my case.

reddig33@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 225d

Please enter your serial number…

One? Ell? Eye? Zero? Oh? Vee Vee Double-U?

tal@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 225d (1 reply)

Mother fuckers just base 58 that shit.

I'm assuming that this is the point you're making, but just to clarify:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base32

The most widely used[citation needed] base32 alphabet is defined in RFC 4648 §6 and the earlier RFC 3548 (2003). The scheme was originally designed in 2000 by John Myers for SASL/GSSAPI.[2] It uses an alphabet of A–Z, followed by 2–7. The digits 0, 1 and 8 are skipped due to their similarity with the letters O, I and B (thus "2" has a decimal value of 26).

This is generally considered to be a preferable encoding for things like this.

foggy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 225d

Yeah... No

I didn’t mean RFC Base32.

I meant human-safe alphabets.

Base58 or Crockford Base32 that intentionally remove I, L, O, and 1 (which is distinct from "base 32").

RFC Base32 still hits the exact problem I’m ranting about.

To be clear the (vanilla) base32 version of the aforementioned string:

"I dont fucking know lots of lllllIIIIIIlllIII etc"

Outputs:

"JEQGI33OOQQGM5LDNNUW4ZZANNXG65ZANRXXI4ZAN5TCA3DMNRWGYSKJJFEUSSLMNRWESSKJEBSXIYY="

You can use cyberchef to check for yourself.

This does not solve the problem.

I meant what I'd said: base 58.

pedz@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 225d

In French, il has always looked a bit weird when typed at the beginning of a sentence.

Il y a un I suivi d'un l.

jordanlund@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 225d

Like "O" and "0" in some fonts. The O is slightly fatter.

In the case of Il, the l is slightly taller. Don't get me started on |.

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 5 pts · 225d

One reason why they were called grotesque in their early days.

JackbyDev@programming.dev · 4 pts · 224d

I hate this so much. There are plenty of aesthetically pleasing ways to avoid it. Windows 8 was particularly bad, my recollection was they literally looked exactly the same there, no difference at all. Luckily I only had to use it for a very brief unpaid internship.

ameel@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 225d

That is very irritating. Hope you eventually get the chance to use a font that passes the i-l-1 (eye-ell-one) test.

jwt@programming.dev · 3 pts · 224d

How about the Greek question mark: ; I still need to find an opportune moment to prank some collegues with that one.

woelkchen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 222d

I can’t be arsed to change the font.

Others just set a DIN 1451 font such as the widely available Bahnschrift and have nothing to complain about.

capuccino@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 225d

lmL

robocall@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 225d
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TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 225d

reaIIy?

SippyCup@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 225d (5 replies)

i L

L i

Capital i is slightly taller than lowercase L.

phdepressed@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 225d (4 replies)

Other way around friend capital i is still shorter than lowercase L

Il=iL lI=Li

DeltaWingDragon@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 224d (3 replies)

That's stupid, the capital letter should be taller than the lowercase; and yet that's how it is in almost every font!

bleistift2@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 224d (2 replies)

I agree that the uppercase I should be larger than the lowercase L, but i disagree that that’s how most fonts do it.

DeltaWingDragon@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 224d (1 reply)

I was saying "that" is how it is.

Other way around friend capital i is still shorter than lowercase L

This is that. I was referring to the previous comment when I said "that", so I agree with you.

bleistift2@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 224d

Oh, I misread your comment.