Can someone explain to me what the justification would be for them being there? Is it typical that countries send some of their own law enforcement to the Olympics?
Honestly these guys should be banned from traveling to Europe for the rest of their lives. They will absolutely be involved in radicalization campaigns.
Just make sure they wear no weapons at all and release the black block. If Lazio fans would overcome just for this one time their political views and join the raid, ICE will get a very painful lesson. In case, an ICE member uses nonetheless a weapon, he should be arrested right away at place and sentenced accordingly. Does not matter if orange man threatens with taxes or army. Any costs, medical, organisational, whatever caused by their presence, has to be covered by Orange man or the US.
What POSSIBLE authority would ICE have in any other country? In this country, they're backed by the president, but that doesn't hold water anywhere else.
If anything, I hope EU DOES let them in, and then the second they try anything, whichever country would arrest them. Does EU have the death penalty?
We do not have the death penalty, it is banned in the charter on human rights and abolishing it was a requirement for joining for those countries which still had it on the books, although it was more or less phased out in all European countries by the time that happened.
The EU luckily does not have a death penalty. Even for people like ICE, no state should ever kill another person, because it is exactly this type of mentality that has created ICE and enabled their gang violence. States killing bad guys is all fun and games until the bad guy definition shifts towards you. Would you like to find yourself at the end of some ICE thug's barrel?
Some NATO contries have agreements with the US on how to handle service members, not sure if all of ICE/DHS falls under that, but it is there to keep US personel at military bases safe from their own actions and the target contries laws. The US pinky promises in the agreements to prosecute the persons under US law if the country just hands them over with no fuss. Under current conditions in the US, I take that to mean that US service members can commit any crime in any nation with such an agreement without any consquences.
On top of that there is the 'invade the Hague act', but that is just for war crimes.
And I don't think any EU country have the death penalty (even "life" generally means like <20 years).
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ceenote@lemmy.world · 141 pts · 204d
Let them in and then deport them. It'd be hilarious. Maybe detain them for a few days to make it extra funny.
BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca · 52 pts · 204d
If they resist, treat them as they treat others.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 204d
You have to spray pepper spray point blank in their faces too
Denjin@feddit.uk · 32 pts · 204d
And then beat them unconscious, disarm them and shoot them 10 times?
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 18 pts · 204d
Fascists get what fascists deserve
Zexks@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 204d
Give em the mussolini tour
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 12 pts · 204d
*weeks
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 203d
lol that would be so fucking incredible.
joostjakob@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 203d
But where to depert them to? Maybe... Cuba?
ratel@mander.xyz · 74 pts · 204d
Can someone explain to me what the justification would be for them being there? Is it typical that countries send some of their own law enforcement to the Olympics?
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 77 pts · 204d
It's customarily to provide your own security, but not to send gestapo.
ratel@mander.xyz · 12 pts · 204d
Thanks, I didn't know that was a thing.
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 46 pts · 204d
It is, but the immigration control branch makes no sense anyways. It's like, completely irrelevant to their stated purpose
psvrh@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 204d
Yeah, this.
Is the United States Secret Service not fash enough?
ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 15 pts · 204d
It's like how the SA replaced some normal police forces in Nazi Germany before themselves got mostly shitcanned in 1934.
The regime needs thugs with less institutional inertia.
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 51 pts · 204d
Honestly these guys should be banned from traveling to Europe for the rest of their lives. They will absolutely be involved in radicalization campaigns.
Bogus007@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 203d
Just make sure they wear no weapons at all and release the black block. If Lazio fans would overcome just for this one time their political views and join the raid, ICE will get a very painful lesson. In case, an ICE member uses nonetheless a weapon, he should be arrested right away at place and sentenced accordingly. Does not matter if orange man threatens with taxes or army. Any costs, medical, organisational, whatever caused by their presence, has to be covered by Orange man or the US.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 204d
Best to just ban the USA to be sure. They can't be trusted.
VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz · 38 pts · 204d
How crazy are you today?
ICE Invade Equador consulate crazy or
ICE Patrol Winter Olympics in Europe crazy
What is this bizarro world we live in?
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 34 pts · 204d
Better idea, let them in and arrest them for terrorism.
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · 22 pts · 204d
Seriously just ban all Americans.
Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 204d
They should just bar the US from the olympics entirely. Making the restriction apply just to ICE would make it too easy to evade.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 204d
What POSSIBLE authority would ICE have in any other country? In this country, they're backed by the president, but that doesn't hold water anywhere else.
If anything, I hope EU DOES let them in, and then the second they try anything, whichever country would arrest them. Does EU have the death penalty?
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 204d
We do not have the death penalty, it is banned in the charter on human rights and abolishing it was a requirement for joining for those countries which still had it on the books, although it was more or less phased out in all European countries by the time that happened.
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 204d
The EU luckily does not have a death penalty. Even for people like ICE, no state should ever kill another person, because it is exactly this type of mentality that has created ICE and enabled their gang violence. States killing bad guys is all fun and games until the bad guy definition shifts towards you. Would you like to find yourself at the end of some ICE thug's barrel?
RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 204d
Well except the boats fortress Europa pushes back into the sea but we don't talk about them
CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 203d
That doesn't count, there is no trial so no sentence. The mediterranen mass grave is just the result of thousands of regrettable isolated incidents.
(/s in case that's not clear enough)
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 203d
Who said that's better?
mumblerfish@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 204d
Some NATO contries have agreements with the US on how to handle service members, not sure if all of ICE/DHS falls under that, but it is there to keep US personel at military bases safe from their own actions and the target contries laws. The US pinky promises in the agreements to prosecute the persons under US law if the country just hands them over with no fuss. Under current conditions in the US, I take that to mean that US service members can commit any crime in any nation with such an agreement without any consquences.
On top of that there is the 'invade the Hague act', but that is just for war crimes.
And I don't think any EU country have the death penalty (even "life" generally means like <20 years).
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 4 pts · 204d
ICE are NOT service members. They are civilians.
Some people will argue that they are federal law enforcement, but the fact that they regularly disregard the laws proves that to be false.
IronBird@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 204d
them disregarding the law is about as acab as it gets
theo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 204d
I don't think the bobsled would be quite as entertaining to watch if this is the case.