Would things be great under Democrats? No. Would things be NOT ENTIRELY THIS FUCKED right now? Fucking yes. There's such a thing as progressing and we are not getting that by withholding votes and letting the literal Nazi side have full power
It's always just enough Democrats. If it weren't these, it would be others. You'll know the pattern changed when the party starts supporting primary challenges to the "defectors".
Where is the condemnation from Democratic leadership for those individuals? This is what the Democrats want, they just want it to be done in a quieter manner.
It is thr joh of the democratic party to resist this. If they cant even get their own people to resist, it is either incompetence or it is willful and purposeful.
In either case, they are failures and should not be voted for until they actually fight for the people
just because you didn't see your rights advance in your lifetime doesn't mean some of us saw ours expand massively, solely under the democrats. they ain't perfect, but at least they ain't actively fighting us.
Of the DNC preventing the decline in imperialism that is leading to increased austerity and reaction domestically. The DNC consistently funded ICE too, they are enthusiastic enablers.
Or perhaps the problem is just the dated US election and governmental system as a whole that is intrinsically less democratic than most of the remaining monarchies are by now?
I'm all about a federated commune of communes, seriously, but at scale how is that really much different? You can't have billions of people living on the planet, or hundreds of millions in a country, without some kind of coordination. It's not practical for millions of people to vote on every little detail, you've still got to have focused representatives to, at minimum, collect information into policy that can be voted on in the first place.
Really the only two options, barring authoritarianism, are direct democracy or some kind of elected representatives. Direct democracy doesn't really work for most considerable topics (agricultural production, electric grid installation, hospital equipment, etc.). Even if people knew enough about the subject to make informed decisions, most people won't bother engaging. So we're inevitably left with some kind of representative democracy, councils don't really eliminate the fact of electing representatives, or the consequences when certain demographics over or underperform at the polls.
Voting does little to nothing compared to actual working class organization. Ranked choice doesn't change the calculus that the parties allowed by the capitalist system support it and protect it from the left.
Yeah this mentality elected Trump when many lefties refused to vote.
Maybe you have gone last chance on midterms, maybe it’s too late and the system will only make the controlling party to win. Not sure. But if people refuse to vote, I don’t think they ever have the chance.
If lefties refusing to vote for genocide actually meaningfully steered the election, then it's the fault of the DNC for running on a pro-genocide platform and alienating lefties. No, the DNC doesn't represent the working classes in any capacity, neither does the GOP. With or without midterms or a general election, revolution has always been necessary, and that will not change.
You don’t get it. Lefties didn’t vote and helped to speed up and increase the genocide. They helped the plan a lot by not voting and their hands has blood too, they can lie to themselves when they “washed their hands” but they had a choice and they prefer to let MAGA choose for them.
MAGA is voting, like it or not, and not voting only help them
The DNC would not have stopped the genocide, they have consistently funded and supplied it. Further, even if the DNC lost because Leftists sat out (which there's no evidence that this is the case), it means the DNC ran a pro-genocide campaign and alienated a vital voting bloc in doing so.
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474D@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 202d
Would things be great under Democrats? No. Would things be NOT ENTIRELY THIS FUCKED right now? Fucking yes. There's such a thing as progressing and we are not getting that by withholding votes and letting the literal Nazi side have full power
WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social · 20 pts · 202d
Democrats just approved continued ICE funding. So clearly this is what they want
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 202d
Well, as long as the voters dont gara during the midterms, here we are, and here we shall stay.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 201d
All the Republicans and a handful of Democrats. So it's obviously the D who are worse and to blame. #MurcsLaw
Tinidril@midwest.social · 19 pts · 201d
It's always just enough Democrats. If it weren't these, it would be others. You'll know the pattern changed when the party starts supporting primary challenges to the "defectors".
WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social · 16 pts · 201d
Where is the condemnation from Democratic leadership for those individuals? This is what the Democrats want, they just want it to be done in a quieter manner.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 199d
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 199d
Liberals and ableism, name a better duo.
Emmet@midwest.social · 13 pts · 201d
You still haven't caught onto the rotating villain shit? I'm old enough to remember when it was Joe Lieberman (who was a fuckin VP candidate lmao).
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 199d
Emmet@midwest.social · 3 pts · 199d
Good thing you're not mad
LotrOrc@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 201d
It is thr joh of the democratic party to resist this. If they cant even get their own people to resist, it is either incompetence or it is willful and purposeful.
In either case, they are failures and should not be voted for until they actually fight for the people
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 202d
SHE HAD A FUNNY LAUGH!
Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 202d
That was enough for idiots.
Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus · 5 pts · 201d
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 201d
just because you didn't see your rights advance in your lifetime doesn't mean some of us saw ours expand massively, solely under the democrats. they ain't perfect, but at least they ain't actively fighting us.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 202d
Got any evidence of that happening?
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 202d
Of what happening?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 201d
Of the DNC preventing the decline in imperialism that is leading to increased austerity and reaction domestically. The DNC consistently funded ICE too, they are enthusiastic enablers.
Velypso@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 201d
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 201d
But but I was promised that if I voted Jill Stein, I'd be teaching DNC a lesson!
Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 202d
Or perhaps the problem is just the dated US election and governmental system as a whole that is intrinsically less democratic than most of the remaining monarchies are by now?
DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 202d
This is the system you have. If you don’t vote you’re part of the problem
Only voting you can ask to elected people to change things. Maybe ranked elections would allow more parties and candidates
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 202d
How about we replace that system with one where we don't have to ask nicely to change things for the better?
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 202d
What system accomplishes that?
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 202d
A council democracy, for example. Or a federated commune of communes.
SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 202d
So, add a recall election mechanism and let everything else play out the same?
Because most parts of the US would probably reelect the same candidate if an election was held tomorrow (literally the standard polling question).
Renaming things doesn't make them work better.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 202d
No, that's not what I said. I want to abolish rulers completely.
Council democracy isn't based on electoral parliament, but on general assemblies.
SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz · -2 pts · 201d
Oh yes, so different.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 201d
Come again if you want to actually engage with ideas foreign to you.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 199d
I'm all about a federated commune of communes, seriously, but at scale how is that really much different? You can't have billions of people living on the planet, or hundreds of millions in a country, without some kind of coordination. It's not practical for millions of people to vote on every little detail, you've still got to have focused representatives to, at minimum, collect information into policy that can be voted on in the first place.
Really the only two options, barring authoritarianism, are direct democracy or some kind of elected representatives. Direct democracy doesn't really work for most considerable topics (agricultural production, electric grid installation, hospital equipment, etc.). Even if people knew enough about the subject to make informed decisions, most people won't bother engaging. So we're inevitably left with some kind of representative democracy, councils don't really eliminate the fact of electing representatives, or the consequences when certain demographics over or underperform at the polls.
DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 201d
Yeah. You can only do that by voting. Be careful with infiltrated agitators that just want to give reasons for martial law
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 201d
Liberal democracy is not the singularity of politicso
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 201d
Voting does little to nothing compared to actual working class organization. Ranked choice doesn't change the calculus that the parties allowed by the capitalist system support it and protect it from the left.
DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 201d
Yeah this mentality elected Trump when many lefties refused to vote. Maybe you have gone last chance on midterms, maybe it’s too late and the system will only make the controlling party to win. Not sure. But if people refuse to vote, I don’t think they ever have the chance.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 201d
If lefties refusing to vote for genocide actually meaningfully steered the election, then it's the fault of the DNC for running on a pro-genocide platform and alienating lefties. No, the DNC doesn't represent the working classes in any capacity, neither does the GOP. With or without midterms or a general election, revolution has always been necessary, and that will not change.
DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 201d
You don’t get it. Lefties didn’t vote and helped to speed up and increase the genocide. They helped the plan a lot by not voting and their hands has blood too, they can lie to themselves when they “washed their hands” but they had a choice and they prefer to let MAGA choose for them.
MAGA is voting, like it or not, and not voting only help them
Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 201d
The DNC would not have stopped the genocide, they have consistently funded and supplied it. Further, even if the DNC lost because Leftists sat out (which there's no evidence that this is the case), it means the DNC ran a pro-genocide campaign and alienated a vital voting bloc in doing so.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 201d
If it's obvious how FPTP works, then the candidates who play dumb about ranked voting actually support fascism.
Tinidril@midwest.social · 2 pts · 200d
Those are our choices, Liberal Fascists or Fascist Liberals. At least until the left can win a lot more primaries.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 200d
It's no accident that the fascist primaries are also FPTP. There will always be an Elizabeth Warren when they want one.
Tinidril@midwest.social · 2 pts · 200d
Beating them is on us. They aren't going to just roll over.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 200d
Nope, we've already got that covered.
Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 202d
I don't care. The opinions of liberals means very little to me.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · 1 pts · 201d
Watch out everyone, OP has been manipulated by the Democrats into spreading their propaganda for them.