There was a discussion about this article 2 years ago here and here, but I thought it's such an interesting a novel concept full of potential that it's worth a repost.
Unfortunately this would be a gift for stupid liars because only honest people who seek the truth would use it. It‘s a good example for a way to hell that was paved with good intentions. Beautifully naive.
It seems like it should be unnecessary, like we already have ways of conveying this sentiment, so why have a button with such a narrow function?
But on the other hand, making it normal for people to admit their mistakes online? That would be a huge step forward. And if there's a button there for it, it would get used.
It could be a hint to the algorithm to stop pushing the content because you wouldn't want something incorrect circulating. But then people may not want to use it but also those people would be the same ones who are happy to lie in a viral tweet.
It does very much annoy me that, yeah, its always been possible to do this.
I believe Claim A! Claim A deniers are bad, smell bad, and are probably also demons!
EDIT:
Welp, looks like Claim A is dubious, thanks to user so and so for setting me straight, see their explanation below.
Yeah you have always been able to do that or something very close to it on basically every forum or social media type thing ever.
But... you are probably right that if you give people a mea culpa flag as a built in part of the UI/UX, that would almost certainly spur more people to do it.
... Its still terrifying to me that a large segment of people would need such a button to exist before they would be ok doing it.
I guess this isn't a case where the sort of 'desire path' solution manifests and is then maybe formally adopted, seems like you'd have to basically social engineer humility into people.
I hate that this would probably work, in the sense that it isn't just DUH obvious to everyone already that they don't need a button specifically for this, but I also love that this would probably work.
I can imagine a 'year end wrap up' where you get to see all the stuff you said that you decided was stupid.
Then I guess just pair it with some kind of affirmative message of 'hey, you're trying to admit your mistakes, and that's probably good'.
Its less deceptive than trying to delete shit dumb stuff, as... everyone can still see you did say it, but realized it was bad.
Love the idea. Making errors is human. I have distrust for people who never admit being wrong. They are just wrong sometimes, as anyone else, they are just unwilling to admit it.
This would be an easy way to parse of a person have admitted being wrong more or less times.
one reason people don't admit they are wrong is because other people will shame and attack them for being wrong.
admitting you were wrong isn't consequence free. it's shameful, bad, and weak and others want to punish you for it. hence why people are incentivized to never admit they are wrong... because that often avoids those consequences and a lot of people admire someone who never admits they are wrong as strong and good and they are inspired by it.
I need to talk about the Mario thing. The first time we heard him speak was N64, when he said "It's a me, Mario," with an accent that is clearly not from New York or New Jersey. And now he's all of a sudden not Italian?
I heard "Hot pickle!" in a completely unrecognizable accent and have been confused ever since. Was it Mario that said that? Lakitu? Whose voice is that if not Mario's and if it is Mario... What the hell? Lol
That's interesting, apparently false, itsumi means something else that I forgot in the time it took me to swipe back over to Lemmy here, but I do like the line of thinking.
I don't see the usefulness of that one compared to just deleting your comment in that scenario. This one will just be abused by trolls posting outrageous claims and then preventing people from replying by flagging the mistake option.
Quite often, I find that leaving a post up has value. It nukes context for the posts below it, which is bad. It's also not great if only part of a larger post is bad, since you lose all of it. Lastly, with a deleted post, it's unclear if the creator learned from it, or if they removed it to avoid the backlash.
Personally, I don't like it because of the reason it would need be needed in the first place, mobbying against those that would find it useful.
I think those that partake mobbying should be exposed and sued. And who knows, amid the process, maybe the suer could find out multiple of these accounts belonging to the same IP or even ID. And then, after some successful legal actions, mobbying should shrink a lot if not stop altogether.
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CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 78 pts · 185d
Unfortunately this would be a gift for stupid liars because only honest people who seek the truth would use it. It‘s a good example for a way to hell that was paved with good intentions. Beautifully naive.
umbraroze@slrpnk.net · 47 pts · 185d
What I need is "this post really seemed like a good idea when I was drunk, but in retrospect, maybe it's not".
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 185d
We also need a button like "This does not reflect who I am as a person"
Coyote@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 184d
Like a "I don't endorse this, but I want you to see it" post? I'm all for that.
moakley@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 185d
It seems like it should be unnecessary, like we already have ways of conveying this sentiment, so why have a button with such a narrow function?
But on the other hand, making it normal for people to admit their mistakes online? That would be a huge step forward. And if there's a button there for it, it would get used.
Auth@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 184d
It could be a hint to the algorithm to stop pushing the content because you wouldn't want something incorrect circulating. But then people may not want to use it but also those people would be the same ones who are happy to lie in a viral tweet.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 184d
It does very much annoy me that, yeah, its always been possible to do this.
Yeah you have always been able to do that or something very close to it on basically every forum or social media type thing ever.
But... you are probably right that if you give people a mea culpa flag as a built in part of the UI/UX, that would almost certainly spur more people to do it.
... Its still terrifying to me that a large segment of people would need such a button to exist before they would be ok doing it.
I guess this isn't a case where the sort of 'desire path' solution manifests and is then maybe formally adopted, seems like you'd have to basically social engineer humility into people.
I hate that this would probably work, in the sense that it isn't just DUH obvious to everyone already that they don't need a button specifically for this, but I also love that this would probably work.
I can imagine a 'year end wrap up' where you get to see all the stuff you said that you decided was stupid.
Then I guess just pair it with some kind of affirmative message of 'hey, you're trying to admit your mistakes, and that's probably good'.
Its less deceptive than trying to delete shit dumb stuff, as... everyone can still see you did say it, but realized it was bad.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 28 pts · 184d
Love the idea. Making errors is human. I have distrust for people who never admit being wrong. They are just wrong sometimes, as anyone else, they are just unwilling to admit it.
This would be an easy way to parse of a person have admitted being wrong more or less times.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 184d
one reason people don't admit they are wrong is because other people will shame and attack them for being wrong.
admitting you were wrong isn't consequence free. it's shameful, bad, and weak and others want to punish you for it. hence why people are incentivized to never admit they are wrong... because that often avoids those consequences and a lot of people admire someone who never admits they are wrong as strong and good and they are inspired by it.
als@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 185d
I thought we have the delete button for this
Infrapink@thebrainbin.org · 26 pts · 185d
No, that's what the edit button is for.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 0 pts · 184d
Some don't even use it.
rimu@piefed.social · 15 pts · 184d
Piefed has this feature.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 3 pts · 184d
My only question is if piefed fixed client side ghost editing.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 184d
Is this like an ADHD subject jump, or...?
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 1 pts · 184d
No, honest inquiry.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 184d
How is it related?
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 1 pts · 184d
non-“de-escalatable” edits: no warnings, simply DARVO respondents.
Blaze@piefed.zip · 9 pts · 185d
Nice idea
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 185d
I need to talk about the Mario thing. The first time we heard him speak was N64, when he said "It's a me, Mario," with an accent that is clearly not from New York or New Jersey. And now he's all of a sudden not Italian?
AstralPath@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 185d
I heard "Hot pickle!" in a completely unrecognizable accent and have been confused ever since. Was it Mario that said that? Lakitu? Whose voice is that if not Mario's and if it is Mario... What the hell? Lol
He says it when you select a level to play.
WolfLink@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 185d
It’s “let’s a go!”
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 185d
Yeah, this is it. I understood him because I'm of Italian descent from New Jersey.
AstralPath@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 185d
I have tried to hear that instead of "Hot pickle!" for years and I just can't. This feels like another of of those blue dress/yanni things to me.
iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 185d
I heard "Green Needle".
AstralPath@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 184d
Huh, that's an interesting one. I'm glad I'm not the only one hearing something weird.
iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 184d
Green Needle/Brainstorm is a different sound. It was from a McDonalds toy.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 184d
Right. Listen. Next time I get an emulator going, right, if Mario says "Hot pickle!" And i can't unhear it, I'm gonna come for you.
AstralPath@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 184d
Haha! I'm so sorry. Plz don't hurt me lol Also, you gotta let me know what you hear when you get around to it! I'm very curious.
polotype@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 185d
I heard from qomwhere that it's not it's a me but itsumi, the japanese word for hero but this might be bs
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 185d
That's interesting, apparently false, itsumi means something else that I forgot in the time it took me to swipe back over to Lemmy here, but I do like the line of thinking.
polotype@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 185d
Well, til
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org · 1 pts · 184d
Well it's obvious, Mario is the name, Itsumi the surname.
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 2 pts · 184d
Hero = yuusha
polotype@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 184d
Yeah, mb it was suposed to mean super but aparently the original info was bullshit and the it's a me is official
scutiger@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 184d
Excuse me?
Dozzi92@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 184d
Ha, I used to love this show as a kid, so thanks for that. Felt like a fever dream.
gressen@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 185d
This may make sense, but why stain it with a Nazi brand?
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 185d
Love it. I aim to do the same.
yata@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 185d
I don't see the usefulness of that one compared to just deleting your comment in that scenario. This one will just be abused by trolls posting outrageous claims and then preventing people from replying by flagging the mistake option.
gressen@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 185d
I don't see a problem because the troll's post will then be permanently marked as not true.
lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 185d
That and the problem people are the ones who wouldn't use this function in the first place.
Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 185d
What if the troll move is to post something that is true and mark it as a mistake?
draco_aeneus@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 184d
Quite often, I find that leaving a post up has value. It nukes context for the posts below it, which is bad. It's also not great if only part of a larger post is bad, since you lose all of it. Lastly, with a deleted post, it's unclear if the creator learned from it, or if they removed it to avoid the backlash.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 184d
If only social media was still full of humans...
Auster@thebrainbin.org · -2 pts · 185d
Personally, I don't like it because of the reason it would need be needed in the first place, mobbying against those that would find it useful.
I think those that partake mobbying should be exposed and sued. And who knows, amid the process, maybe the suer could find out multiple of these accounts belonging to the same IP or even ID. And then, after some successful legal actions, mobbying should shrink a lot if not stop altogether.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 185d
What the hell is "mobbying"?
lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 185d
I guess it's from "mobb"?
Auster@thebrainbin.org · 2 pts · 185d
Could swear it had the extra B, but it stems from "mob", yeah.
lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 184d
The extra
bwas half in jest, but yeah. I was actually surprised at first to find out "mobb" with two bs is an actual word.