This guide is by a Canadian author, but I find it very appropriate here as most of his solutions are European and he points to several alternatives, so all in all a great source of inspiration.
Getting off US tech: a guide
https://disconnect.blog/getting-off-us-tech-a-guide/
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birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 27 pts · 195d
Last edited on 5 August, 2026
All very good suggestions indeed. But there are more. Most of them are North(west) European, but this is because most of those countries got their own systems set up already, and got relatively robust privacy laws. Not sure about other ones, but please do inform!
Weather
Windy ๐จ๐ฟ - expansive, worldwide. Pretty.
Yr ๐ณ๐ด - Norwegian-focused but has good coverage for Europe.
Meteonet ๐ซ๐ท - old interface, but no-nonsense.
Whatever your country has, also works.
Payment processors
National/regional ones exist, they're more independent and should be preferred.
But also, Wero ๐ช๐บ is there. Check if your bank already has it. Though I think it must address tech reliance concerns.
Some forms of crypto also are independent and even peer-to-peer, but beware of how much electricity they use.
GNU Taler may also be considered, it's independent and decentralised!
Banks
For small-scale stuff, Community Exchange System and time banking are great.
That said, within monetary-based banking are two categories: traditional and cooperative/credit unions. If you wish to stick with a 'traditional' bank, then these following would be best:
ASN Bank ๐ณ๐ฑ - government-safeguarded. Came best out of the Dutch Ethical Banking Guide (Dutch).
Triodos ๐ณ๐ฑ - independent (second-best in that guide), Europe-wide.
Ekobanken ๐ธ๐ช - ecological.
Or check Febea and GABV, those two have lists of European ethical&pro-labour banks (the latter also has lists for other areas).
(Local) cooperatives and credit unions are great, if you've the choice. Then you can decide along where the money goes, and hold the bank more responsible. They don't have stocks, instead having different financing methods.
I checked them through Bank for Good EU - I put some selections in there already, selecting for cooperatives + Febea and GABV criteria, alongside with functions for everyday needs such as savings, mortgages, business, retail, online banking, and a current. According to those criteria, the following two banks would be good:
Banca Etica ๐ฎ๐น - Italian cooperative and ethical bank. Focuses on transparency, supported the Sumud Flotilla(!).
Merkur Andelskasse ๐ฉ๐ฐ - Danish cooperative and ethical bank. I personally would support this as the best bank of all the above listed, since you get both a vote AND an ethical bank. Barring thrift stores and time banks, this is as close you can get to ethical buying while benefitting you.
Phones
Jolla ๐ซ๐ฎ - has Sailfish OS, a Linux distribution, independent from Android.
FairPhone ๐ณ๐ฑ - is a very good option (best balance between ethics, repairability, and privacy). Recommend e/OS, iodรฉOS, or CalyxOS. Murena ๐ซ๐ท - has the iPhone look and feel. Pretty easy to use.
Nothing ๐ฌ๐ง - a bit riskier in my opinion, since they share demographic and fiscal data, and share data outside of the EU/EEZ+UK. However, it allows bootloader unlocking.
Shiftphone ๐ฉ๐ช - has 3rd party support.
None of these support GrapheneOS (which would be the most ideal) due to their own hardware being lacking, but they really ought to. GrapheneOS will soon be available on Motorola (Chinese-owned, US-based, though). Currently, if you want one, get a used Pixel, 'clean' thoroughly, and then put GrapheneOS on it. Alternatively, there's Purism, but that's also US-based.
Tablets
Archos ๐ซ๐ท
Juno Tab ๐ฌ๐ง (runs Linux)
Murena ๐ซ๐ท
Nokia ๐ซ๐ฎ (also has phones, TVs and laptops)
reMarkable ๐ณ๐ด
The Purism one is good too and has some killswitches, though it's US-based (California, at least, which has a sort of GDPR-like law).
Laptops
Do you want to game -> Tuxedo ๐ฉ๐ช
It just works & supports FOSS devs -> Slimbook ๐ช๐ธ
Privacy-focused Macbook-like? -> Star Labs ๐ฌ๐ง
More customisable -> Novacustom ๐ณ๐ฑ
The site of StarLabs has a shitty privacy policy, though - the best one is Novacustom in that regard. Nokia supposedly sells some too, but I couldn't find a place to buy them.
You can also get an Asus or Acer ๐น๐ผ (๐ผ๐ธ), or if you don't mind Chinese products, Lenovo (a ThinkPad is great).
Clevo is also a good one, it's Taiwanese.
Regarding hardware, if you've a laptop with an Intel chip, disable the Intel Management Engine, it's likely backdoor spyware. VIA Technologies ๐น๐ผ (๐ผ๐ธ) is the only non-American one that makes graphic cards supporting x86, like Intel and AMD.
What OS to pick (an OS is a software like Windows or Macintosh)
Anything Linux, really. Some of them are headed or backed by the Red Hat project (like Fedora, a very good distro), which is good, but it's American, so keep that in mind. Nevertheless, depending on your tasks:
New to Linux -> Linux Mint (it just works)
Privacy -> openSUSE Tumbleweed
Security -> QubesOS (multiple computers on one)
For servers, stable updates -> Debian
I use -> Arch Linux (btw)
Resembles Macbook -> elementaryOS
With most Linux distributions you can make them look like Windows or Mac either way, but I'd like to throw that in. KDE Plasma is what I'd recommend for customisation, GNOME for minimalism.
Smartwatch
PineTime ๐ช๐บ - FOSS, more privacy friendly than the big players.
WatchMark ๐ฌ๐ง๐ฉ๐ช - has the Apple Watch look, manufactured in Europe.
Montblanc ๐ฉ๐ช - Manufactured in Germany.
Polar Electro ๐ซ๐ฎ - Owned by Finns, made in China and Malaysia. For outdoors.
MyKronoz ๐จ๐ญ- Swiss, pretty affordable.
And for printers;
Epson ๐ฏ๐ต EcoTank especially, all-around.
Canon ๐ฏ๐ต Pixelma.
Novaware ๐ณ๐ฑ - they got a good thermal printer.
Nuvance ๐ณ๐ฑ also thermal.
klangcola@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 195d
For weather I can also recommend the app and website https://www.yr.no/ . Publicly funded by the Norwegian government, publicly available weather data, and good coverage for weather outside Norway.
GMac@feddit.org · 3 pts · 195d
I have to add a recommendation for https://supernotes.app/ (N.B. Not the Canadian e-notebook maker with almost the same name). I have been using supernotes for a while now and it's something I actually enjoy using; a feeling that has been absent for a lot of tech products for a long time.
They're an independent business based in the UK and the owners are very active and responsive to supports. Works seamlessly for me across browsers(vivaldi), windows, linux (Mint) and android (GrapheneOS) and they have Mac, iOS, and a VR app. My only complaint is that I believe they host on AWS
I've got no affiliation with them, I'm a customer and I really like what they do and how they do it (except AWS) and since they tend not to appear in these lists often I don't think many people have heard of them.
hushable@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 195d
I think you meant StarLabs. I got one running Debian and I absolutely love it
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 195d
Thanks, corrected it! I'm also considering that one.
Dumb question, but can Debian be made to look like Macbook? I think all Linux laptop OSes can, but I'm not sure.
hushable@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 195d
I'm not that much into ricing, but I bet it must be possible, specially since GNOME is already OSX-like
edit: you just made me check their website and the new StarLabs Horizon looks so tempting!
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d
You can make Gnome look like MacOS but it doesnโt really act like MacOS . I use VanillaOS which is based in Spain and is immutable A/B root is something Iโm a fan of.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 35d
an additional late question - which StarLabs? I'm curious, currently considering the Starfighter or Horizon. I assume you got the Starbook since you mention the new Horizon and being excited?
I like the Apple-like look and feel, but I'm unsure of whether they do their finances ethically. And for how long are the devices supported?
Masse022@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 195d
Oof the smartwatch one hurts. Every endurance athlete has one. Step counting is a gimmick for me but I would really miss the GPS, mapping and recording all my runs/races swims and whatnot. Calories and all the rest I can go without but the GPS and mapping...
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 195d
To be fair, I used to have one, then realised that it was actually pointless and I didn't use it much. If you still want one, go ahead.
For GPS and mapping I just use OsmAnd/OpenStreetMaps.
Masse022@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 195d
I have a really good one I bought just before the USA meltdown. When it does, 7 or 10 years from now, we'll see! Norwegian or Swedes must have something for that lol they always do!
Tehdastehdas@piefed.social · 1 pts · 194d
About "Phones",
With Android? Is that even possible? Surely /e/OS should be recommended here?
Surely GrapheneOS hasn't yet decided on the device?
Murena isn't a manufacturer that could support an OS. Murena sells phones with /e/OS, an open-source, mostly Android-compatible, operating system developed by them from LineageOS based on AOSP.
"Murena has the iPhone look and feel. Pretty easy to use. Privacy-focused. Runs most Android apps. Uses hardware from other brands, of which Fairphone and Shiftphone are European."
bdama@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 195d
I like the Fairphone hardware but can not recommend e/OS - Murena is making false privacy claims about their software and are not interested in fixing them. Sadly Graphene has stated that Fairphone will likely not be supported in the future as their current models are lacking necessary hardware.
I ended up with a used Pixel and installed Graphene, I'm happy with it as a daily driver and am doing my online banking in the browser on my PC.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 195d
As far as I recall, if you're an ordinary everyday user, Fairphone should be fine - but if your threat model is too severe, a used Pixel (cleant) with GrapheneOS should be warranted, no?
bdama@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 195d
I dropped it as a daily driver when I noticed that Here We Go maps just naturally circumvents their advanced privacy location spoofing. Tested this with two devices and the issue appeared in both. Maps showed my real location.
Graphene might be a bit overkill for me, but I rather am too careful than rely on false advertising and leak real information unknowingly.
Tehdastehdas@piefed.social · 1 pts · 194d
Yeah, I have that problem in my /e/OS 3.4 A15, and another one, also a failure of the main feature, privacy protection, this time with file permissions:
https://community.e.foundation/t/app-permissions-failure-can-see-all-files-despite-limited-access/69483
You shouldn't blame the whole forum when a dumbass goes off topic in a thread - it happens. Your title was clear, and the topic was clearly the privacy of /e/OS, one example application as proof of /e/OS's failure, and the dumbass started talking about the example application and alternatives to it...
Tehdastehdas@piefed.social · 1 pts · 194d
Do you really recommend Android over /e/OS for Fairphone?
I think you're exaggerating with "Murena making false claims and not interested in fixing" - I think they're just lacking the resources to do what they want to do. I think they have a good idea to fix the lack of resources by making money by selling pre-installed devices.
Maybe Murena's few resources would have been better invested in developing a version of GrapheneOS for some European device.
BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info · -1 pts · 195d
These guides are getting a little repetitive on this community. They always say and recommend the same things. What new is being said here? What are the 80 upvotes for?
We should have a buyfromeu circlejerk community and just post "Bro did you hear about Fritz Kola" and "Bro I switched to Tutanota" continuously (I am not kidding)
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 195d
Not everyone hasn't seen them often. We could use spreading buying European across more people, tbh.
bossito@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 195d
If you're fighting against Google, Meta and Amazon these guides are definitely not enough and each of them should be promoted as much as possible. There are one million guides and suggested results and videos for each of these. Don't complain, applaud them instead.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org · 0 pts · 194d
the thing is that if there's only a single post, most people will just scroll by and say "well, linux has been promoted for decades, whatever, i'm not gonna switch now". if however there are all of a sudden 20 posts about it, people start wondering "why now" and realize there's reasons today that weren't there last year. and also it's nice to hear multiple journalists' opinion about alternatives or methods.