The military is majority conservative, the same with the police, private security, and even the local gun club. Normalizing political violence is just about the dumbest thing the left can do in the US.
We could accelerate their inevitable demise? McConnell already has one foot and four toes in the grave, just needs a nudge and he'll be replaced. Other assholes might need more of a shove.
Funny there is no mention of primarying corporate Democrats with progressives while they're at it. "Vote blue, no matter who" won't cut it if corporate Democrats will remain and keep enabling fascists. It's time for a full progressive takeover.
This is what I've said before and will say it again, both the Democratic and Republican parties are playing good cop/bad cop, respectively. They both take marching orders from their corporate donors to do a hot and cold game; to make people intimidated with the cold attitude, while the hot attitude makes the voters think "well, they're not so bad after all." It's like a domestic abuse victim being psychologically manipulated by narcissistic, Machiavellian psychopathic partner by making us think "my partner hurts me sometimes, but at time he loves me. He's not so bad."
It's always both. Obviously try and get the most progressive blue candidate you can every time, but corporate Democrats are still at least marginally better than full-throated fascists.
It being "time" for a progressive takeover doesn't really mean much if progressives aren't running, or primary voters aren't supporting them. Do you have a plan to make either of those things happen?
Organising grassroots and educating people on having a better leftist alternative. This always starts at the community level. The American ancestors who ended the Gilded Age and elected the Roosevelts would be rolling in their graves at how their descendants became so spineless and forget to mobilise!
This doesn't seem to be much of a narrative that the post wants it to be...
One, this is a state seat, nothing to do with the federal government.
Second, it's a seat that has been thoroughly blue looks like. GOP hadn't even bothered to run a candidate in over a decade, and then they only got 19% of the vote. The GOP candidate showed 38% this time around, which is actually stronger performance than they had before.
Per an article "have historically supported Democrats at the state and local level, but have shifted toward Republicans in federal elections", this is a continuation. If anything, concerning that this is the strongest GOP result for that seat, even though they still lost...
In terms of special elections, the three that are scheduled are pretty much the only ones we are going to see, and all signs point to 2 going GOP and 1 going democrat, resulting in a 220:215 in favor of republicans. Even if they flipped the two GOP seats then it's 218:217. More resignations/deaths could shift things more, but no more special elections since it's so close to the general election now.
Even if, hypothetically, 10 republicans just up and resigned and the vacancies gave the democrats the majority... then what? They do another toothless impeachment? They shake their head disapprovingly at Trump deploying ICE to strategic polling places?
You'd need to see 2/3rds of the senate be willing to go against Trump before anything could realistically stop the worst of the Trump presidency.
Yes, and critically Senate Republicans, 38% of senate republicans would have to go against Trump to move the needle, and if that hasn't happened by now, it's hard to imagine a scenario where that would happen.
Dems need new leadership if they are to make effective use of any majority. The current leadership has no discipline and allows for its members to vote with the GOP to fund the goon squad or to end the shutdown in return for a promise that never materializes. Bad leadership is why people have trouble telling the two parties apart when it should be as plain as day.
Except purges are a textbook step in dictatorship. Every Republican who leaves over ideological differences with the coup will be replaced by a loyalist. We are going full Russia at light speed.
Educating yourself on the atrocities commited by both the Democrats and Republicans would have you not so excited about a "blue wave." They're just the other right wingers.
You will not be saved by a ruling class bootlicker.
It's better for the locals, I suppose. Back to slowly boiling the working class, but equally terrible for the rest of the world. Especially the global south.
Which Democrats do not support capitalism? There's no such thing as a capitalism supporting left wing. Bernie is probably the closest thing, though not a Democrat, and even he is pro-capitalism.
When has the US been post war?
Edit: I understand what you're sayimg now. And you're looking for ethical capitalism, which is a weird thing to say. In other words, ethical-exploitation. Doesn't seem like a real thing, yeah?
The only reason FDR caved as much as he did is because the US had a strong communist presence. They've fixed that. Your longing for the past is akin to conservatism, no?
Finally someone who gets that the New Deal was nothing more than a concession to keep the people appeased while the rest of the state apparatus systematically dismantled the "communist threat" and the very foundations that allowed the growing unrest to manifest into effect resistance over the decades to come.
I wouldn't say I'm looking to make capitalism ethical, as much as I'm looking to make it harmless. The big problem is the high and increasing inequality, that eventually makes free societies impossible.
As for FDR: whatever. I neither engage in, nor approve of, political hero-worship. His legacy is complex, including maybe even the image of the führer-president that Trump is exploiting right now.
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turdas@suppo.fi · 46 pts · 203d
How do you force someone with no morals to resign?
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 24 pts · 203d
With a boot
SpicyLizards@reddthat.com · 20 pts · 203d
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 203d
You don't. He was voted out in
20192020 and tried to launch an insurrection. There's no way he will leave the Whitehouse willingly.Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 203d
2020*
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 203d
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 203d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election
Triumph@fedia.io · 8 pts · 203d
You vote with your rounds.
ChristerMLB@piefed.social · 3 pts · 203d
The military is majority conservative, the same with the police, private security, and even the local gun club. Normalizing political violence is just about the dumbest thing the left can do in the US.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 203d
If ICE is at the poll stations then political violence has already been normalised.
Yes there is a difference between threats and action, so the left is only currently authorised to threaten violence.
Triumph@fedia.io · 5 pts · 203d
I don't know what world you're living in, but political violence is already normalized.
ChristerMLB@piefed.social · 1 pts · 198d
Let me rephrase: it can, and probably will, get worse. It is not in the left's interest to hurry that process along.
Triumph@fedia.io · 1 pts · 198d
The only way out is through. Delaying the inevitable only makes it harder and more bloody.
ChristerMLB@piefed.social · 1 pts · 198d
that sounds like a slogan, not a strategy
Triumph@fedia.io · 1 pts · 198d
I didn't intend it as either. Just something that's true.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 203d
I would agree its the dumbest thing they could do but not because Jeb has 15 guns and only 2 hands.
collapse_already@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 203d
We could accelerate their inevitable demise? McConnell already has one foot and four toes in the grave, just needs a nudge and he'll be replaced. Other assholes might need more of a shove.
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 203d
Or, you know... Burn it all down.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 203d
Funny there is no mention of primarying corporate Democrats with progressives while they're at it. "Vote blue, no matter who" won't cut it if corporate Democrats will remain and keep enabling fascists. It's time for a full progressive takeover.
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 203d
7 Republicans voted against funding ICE this go around ... but then 7 Democrats voted to fund them and/or avert a shutdown. Odd coincidence.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 203d
This is what I've said before and will say it again, both the Democratic and Republican parties are playing good cop/bad cop, respectively. They both take marching orders from their corporate donors to do a hot and cold game; to make people intimidated with the cold attitude, while the hot attitude makes the voters think "well, they're not so bad after all." It's like a domestic abuse victim being psychologically manipulated by narcissistic, Machiavellian psychopathic partner by making us think "my partner hurts me sometimes, but at time he loves me. He's not so bad."
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 203d
Link to roll calls votes you're referring to?
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 203d
I kind of wish their voting was blind some times.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 203d
It's always both. Obviously try and get the most progressive blue candidate you can every time, but corporate Democrats are still at least marginally better than full-throated fascists.
It being "time" for a progressive takeover doesn't really mean much if progressives aren't running, or primary voters aren't supporting them. Do you have a plan to make either of those things happen?
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 202d
Organising grassroots and educating people on having a better leftist alternative. This always starts at the community level. The American ancestors who ended the Gilded Age and elected the Roosevelts would be rolling in their graves at how their descendants became so spineless and forget to mobilise!
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 202d
You're not wrong, but haven't we already been doing that for, like, a century?
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 201d
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 203d
Maybe get rid of some of the neo-libs too while you’re at it.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 202d
This doesn't seem to be much of a narrative that the post wants it to be...
One, this is a state seat, nothing to do with the federal government.
Second, it's a seat that has been thoroughly blue looks like. GOP hadn't even bothered to run a candidate in over a decade, and then they only got 19% of the vote. The GOP candidate showed 38% this time around, which is actually stronger performance than they had before.
Per an article "have historically supported Democrats at the state and local level, but have shifted toward Republicans in federal elections", this is a continuation. If anything, concerning that this is the strongest GOP result for that seat, even though they still lost...
In terms of special elections, the three that are scheduled are pretty much the only ones we are going to see, and all signs point to 2 going GOP and 1 going democrat, resulting in a 220:215 in favor of republicans. Even if they flipped the two GOP seats then it's 218:217. More resignations/deaths could shift things more, but no more special elections since it's so close to the general election now.
Even if, hypothetically, 10 republicans just up and resigned and the vacancies gave the democrats the majority... then what? They do another toothless impeachment? They shake their head disapprovingly at Trump deploying ICE to strategic polling places?
You'd need to see 2/3rds of the senate be willing to go against Trump before anything could realistically stop the worst of the Trump presidency.
DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 202d
In summary, the republicans need to also be against trump not just the Democrats.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 202d
Yes, and critically Senate Republicans, 38% of senate republicans would have to go against Trump to move the needle, and if that hasn't happened by now, it's hard to imagine a scenario where that would happen.
militaryintelligence@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 202d
Reporting this is them saying "Democrats are doing fiiine, stay home no need to vote"
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 203d
wewbull@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 203d
"...holding the seat..."
So nothing changed?
zbyte64@awful.systems · 5 pts · 203d
Dems need new leadership if they are to make effective use of any majority. The current leadership has no discipline and allows for its members to vote with the GOP to fund the goon squad or to end the shutdown in return for a promise that never materializes. Bad leadership is why people have trouble telling the two parties apart when it should be as plain as day.
BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 202d
Except purges are a textbook step in dictatorship. Every Republican who leaves over ideological differences with the coup will be replaced by a loyalist. We are going full Russia at light speed.
pucker4676@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 203d
Sub in the other capitalists. That'll fix it.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 203d
Doing nothing, that always works.
pucker4676@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 203d
Educating yourself on the atrocities commited by both the Democrats and Republicans would have you not so excited about a "blue wave." They're just the other right wingers.
You will not be saved by a ruling class bootlicker.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 203d
Your ignorance is only surpassed by your indifference to human suffering. Your opinion means nothing to me.
pucker4676@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 203d
The status quo will get the job done. Do the same and hope for a different result. Best of luck.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 203d
The status quo in america is white supremecy. Pick any direction that leads away from that and you can say you have a conscious.
pucker4676@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 203d
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 203d
Zetta@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 203d
You're completely right, but it is still better than the current option by most measures for sane people.
pucker4676@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 203d
It's better for the locals, I suppose. Back to slowly boiling the working class, but equally terrible for the rest of the world. Especially the global south.
ChristerMLB@piefed.social · 1 pts · 203d
There is a left wing in the democratic party - it is possible to get organized and help it win over the conservative wing.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 203d
There is no left wing. There is a center wing though.
ChristerMLB@piefed.social · 3 pts · 203d
huh, I have to say, this is the opposite experience of what I have on the rest of the internet. Finally I can get into arguments with some leftists :)
mattyroses@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 203d
Goli otok for you, revisionist
pucker4676@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 203d
Which Democrats do not support capitalism? There's no such thing as a capitalism supporting left wing. Bernie is probably the closest thing, though not a Democrat, and even he is pro-capitalism.
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 203d
ChristerMLB@piefed.social · -1 pts · 203d
So wanting back to the post-war consensus is centrism in your book?
pucker4676@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 203d
When has the US been post war? Edit: I understand what you're sayimg now. And you're looking for ethical capitalism, which is a weird thing to say. In other words, ethical-exploitation. Doesn't seem like a real thing, yeah?
The only reason FDR caved as much as he did is because the US had a strong communist presence. They've fixed that. Your longing for the past is akin to conservatism, no?
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 201d
Finally someone who gets that the New Deal was nothing more than a concession to keep the people appeased while the rest of the state apparatus systematically dismantled the "communist threat" and the very foundations that allowed the growing unrest to manifest into effect resistance over the decades to come.
ChristerMLB@piefed.social · 1 pts · 198d
alright, I'll give you a better answer.
I wouldn't say I'm looking to make capitalism ethical, as much as I'm looking to make it harmless. The big problem is the high and increasing inequality, that eventually makes free societies impossible.
As for FDR: whatever. I neither engage in, nor approve of, political hero-worship. His legacy is complex, including maybe even the image of the führer-president that Trump is exploiting right now.
ChristerMLB@piefed.social · 0 pts · 202d
I'll take that as a yes. Fair enough.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · -4 pts · 203d
"education"
of course!