I know this is meant to be a casual conversation and this topic can get deep fast, but I’d love to hear everyone's elevator pitch for their religion or lack thereof. peace and love<3
I know this is meant to be a casual conversation and this topic can get deep fast, but I’d love to hear everyone's elevator pitch for their religion or lack thereof. peace and love<3
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Godort@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 186d
No, but I try hard not to be an asshole about it. People can believe what they want as long as it isn't directly hurting someone.
Personally I find religious studies fascinating simply because of the influence it has had on culture both locally and worldwide.
ada@piefed.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 186d
No, I'm not religious. There's no elevator pitch, because it doesn't need one.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 186d
I was born in China, I remember very early on, I was taught the concept of 命運 (fate), 投胎 (reincarnation), 上天 (the heavens) 睇住你 (are watching you), and 報應 (karma)... lot of that stuff.
My mom told me that if I "waste food", i'd 畀雷公劈 (get stuck by lightning by the "god of thunder"; or some bullshit like that)
A lot of Chinese drama has those spiritual themes
One time I was like: "so what religion are we?"
Then my mom was like 道教 (Taoism), but I was so confused like I thought it was 佛教 (Buddhism)?
So idk what ever the fuck their "religion" is?
My mom always said "唔可以全信但唔可以唔信" (you can't believe it all, but you also can't no believe any)
And she also told me the story about the tale of man that was "waiting for god to save him" when it was flooding" and said that guy was stupid
I used to believe in Santa, then I found out my uncle was the "Santa", so yea I just stopped believing. I used to believe in ghosts cuz all the Chinese ghost stories in media, but then I stopped believing.
I read a lot of Western Atheism stuff... Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins... so I believed less and less...
I still sort of hang on to the reincarnation thing as a sort of copism, well not the karma stuff, but more as in "matter cannot be created or destroyed" so it must be recycled, that sort of way...
We weren't able to see atoms for a long time, maybe there's a "soul" that we cannot yet measure? (I know atheists are gonna say I'm being silly xD)
Like the "fate" thing is just so bizzare. I wasn't supposed to be born as a second child during One Child Policy, so I feel like "maybe 'god' intervened and saved me?". So bizzare, I wasn't even supposed to exist.
edit: typos
zloubida@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 186d
Yes. I was raised in an agnostic family (I'm French, and in France agnosticism is very dominant) but the idea of the existence of a creator always seemed like a certainty for me. I searched myself for a time, and I'm now very active in my (French equivalent of mainline Protestant) community. I'm not sure it's the “right” religion, I'm not even sure there's such thing as the “right” religion, but it gives me a framework to developp my spirituality while giving me the freedom to question everything. It's a sweet spot that makes me happy.
whitemonster@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 186d
Wow! That's so interesting! Have you ever thought about what would need to happen to confirm or deny that what you believe is the “right” religion?
zloubida@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 186d
Unless I radically change my mind, I don't believe I'll ever consider any religion to be the true, one and only. For me, religions are like languages; none is necessarily truer than the others. A chair is no more a chair than a chaise, or a silla, or a 椅子. Languages don't capture reality, but each allows us to interact with it. However, it's important to master at least one, and for that, you have to practice it diligently, work on it, and study it.
For me, spirituality is one of the essential needs of human beings. It's therefore important that everyone seeks the spirituality that resonates most deeply with them. There are non-religious spiritualities, and there are even spiritualities that deny being spiritualities or religions when they are in fact (as I move also in Leftist circles, I don't see much difference between Marxism and a religion...). If we deny ourselves our need for spirituality, then we risk giving a religious character to something that shouldn't be. It's often not a big deal, but it can become one, and I see in this one of the roots of political extremism (my nation is a god, my race is a god, my favorite politician is a messiah, this book of political theory is sacred, this other nation is a devil, this other politician is a demon...).
The ideal, then, is to find a spirituality that suits us without ever essentializing it. We don't all have the same level of spiritual need, and some fulfill their need by following a sports team. Good for them! But if we have a stronger need, then I think we should turn to a religion. Religions offer unparalleled depth, an opening to the unseen that makes the spiritual aspect of other human realities seem bland: someone very active in a religion can then go into politics, for example, keeping politics separate from religion.
Of course, the opposite is unfortunately also possible. Some movements are explicitly or implicitly both religious and political, but that's a very bad idea. I ground my political action in theology, and I apply my political ideals to the way I participate in my church's governing bodies, but I keep my affiliations separate. What must be avoided is thinking that one's spiritual current holds the truth. But by practicing one's religion as a truth, by practicing its full depth, then one can improve one's life and the lives of others.
daggermoon@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 186d
No. I convinced myself I was until I was 16 or 17. It wasn't compatible with my worldview and it was completely unscientific.
whitemonster@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 185d
What about your worldview was incompatible with religion? Secondarily, do you think there is any religion that might be compatible with your worldview?
HubertManne@piefed.social · 5 pts · 186d
No. I used to be agnostic but it relied on this idea that humanity was overall essentially sensible and large groups would not just believe some bs and then pass it on to their kids and it would keep going. I kept up this belief besides the evidence of obvious cults and such. The real nail in the coffin was the internet age and things like qanon, flat earthers, anti vaxers, anti maskers, etc. etc. Just how easily and quickly people whole heartadly believe bulltrump has brushed away any fence sitting I had left and I now recognize that the universe is wysiwyg.
Mac@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 186d
Religion is abuse.
whitemonster@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 185d
Do you actually believe that all religion is abusive?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 185d
It's mind rot
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d
Indeed.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 186d
Yeah. I didn't use to be but now I am, and I'm very happy about it. And why? Because God guides whom He wills, I guess. 😅
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 185d
And fuck everyone else, right? Including literal children with terminal cancer.
Sorry kids, God didn't will it. You gotta die painfully at 4 years old.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 185d
? God guided me so I have an opportunity not to damn myself and end up in Hell. Cancer is just another feature of this imperfect universe (if you want it differently, you have to go to Heaven), and these kids have pure souls and will meet the Creator and enjoy peace. Of course we mourn them because they left us, but just like in the case of adults, we have to make peace with the fact that every day is a gift and without God making this entire universe we wouldn't even have had a second of consciousness, so be grateful. And haven't you heard the story of Abraham? There's a way to process the death of your child better, but it'll take faith in God.
Also, everyone else? My man, all the information is freely available and you even have silly folks like me online trying to direct people to a better path... you're already being helped, you're already bombarded with calls to be mindful of God. When the Day comes and you stand in front of Him, don't say you were not warned. 🤷
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 185d
It's funny that you think shit like this is convincing.
It's like telling an adult that one day Santa Claus is going to judge us.
Just stop. Grow up. Put away your childish beliefs and join the real world.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 184d
🤷
whitemonster@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 186d
That’s Awesome! How long have you believed in God and how did he meet you?
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 186d
Eh, I would say about 4 or so years in earnest but by then I was already a big fan of the words of Jesus and Solomon, I just disregarded the parts that talked about God, lol. And through my now wife, although it was more circumstantial: she's Muslim but not like a preacher who "convinced me", we had even reached the middle ground of me doing the rites but not believing... and then one day it clicked. 👍
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 186d
I consider myself Buddhist. Im not a particularly good Buddhist and im not an asshole so I generally keep it to myself.
When I was a teenager 20+ years ago I learned as much as I could about it. I wasnt ready to commit to anything so I carried on as an atheist, but I always felt that if anyone got it right, it was Buddha. If youre going to have a spiritual/religious philosophy, being devoted to the elimination of suffering seems like pretty much the best central concept you could go from IMO.
Im particularly drawn to Soto Zen. Theres a straightforwardness to it and zazen that makes sense to me. I really do need to sit zazen more regularly though.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 186d
Reincarnation seems interesting except I hate the "you shouldn't desire anything" aspect...
like... what if its wrong? Why the fuck shouldn't I get to enjoy my current incarnation?
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 186d
There's nothing to say you can't enjoy life. Buddhism teaches mindfulness, which encourages you to appreciate where you are. There is joy to find in simply appreciating your circumstances, rather than striving for things like material wealth endlessly. It teaches escaping the treadmill of accumulation which ends up controlling us. By grasping interconnectedness, possession is left behind, and we liberate ourselves from suffering.
Thats my understanding, anyhow. Ive got a long way to go still.
whitemonster@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 185d
Would you be willing to share why you feel so drawn to Soto Zen?
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d
I read Hardcore Zen by Brad Warner at a fairly young age and liked his characterization of it. Like I said, it has a straightforward, practical quality to it that I appreciate. Most of what ive read on it since (im currently reading The Three Pillars of Zen, which is also from a Soto perspective) emphasizes discipline more than "religious" practices, which appeals to me. Im not much for religious ceremony or ritual, but i can understand discipline and practice. Even if I often fall short.
Cris_Color@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 186d
I'm not, but I kind of miss the community connection and discussion of life wisdom that religion serves.
I've thought about trying to go to a universalist Unitarian service sometime, since I've heard they dont really care if you are a more secular person, they're not a Christian church, and welcome folks of all sorts of world views
whitemonster@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 185d
What type of community were you a part of before you chose to walk away?
Cris_Color@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d
Oh eons ago I was raised nondenominationally christian. My missing those things is less a reflection of having had them in the past, and more a reflection of having much less access to community in the present. I dont think I really appreciated those things about church when I was a kid, and while it wasn't a bad experience (except when I joined for adult service, which bored me to tears), I don't really want back the same kind of church experience I has when I was little. It was lots of kids activities that snuck in ideals about how to be a good person and worship practices.
But I have a circadian rhythm disorder that limits my ability to get together with other people cause everyone's asleep for the bulk of time I'm awake, so connection to other people is precious to me. I'd love to find a way to participate in that kind of fellowship and discuss how we strive to be people we can take pride in and build good lives and communities for ourselves
whitemonster@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 184d
I understand why human connection would feel so important when it's scarce like that. have you been able to find any groups to join that have filled that need?
Cris_Color@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 176d
Forgot to reply lol. The local kink community has social events often on a schedule I can participate in, and its mostly just queer neurodivergent nerdy folks, so thats been my big community connection so far, and has been really good for me.
I just recently started going to my normal event again after a weird stint on a daytime schedule. It was lovely to see and catch up with folks again, and I ended up making plans to go work on a car with a friend I sometimes see at that event. It was a blast and we replaced a starter motor which was super cool ☺️
I'd really like to have more opportunities to engage with community though, so I'm hoping to find more ways to feel connected :)
IWW4@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 186d
Nope.. I dont buy into modern mythology.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 186d
No. It’s not really something I think about apart from curiosity on an anthropological level on how it all came about.
ace_garp@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 186d
As it is 95% a hereditary construct, no.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 185d
Not religious.
Because I was raised well enough to successfully avoid indoctrination into a cult.
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 186d
No.
I was raised Lutheran and went through the whole Sunday School and Catechism routine. Basically brainwashed by my parents from an early age to buy into it. At the same time, I was always a curious person and learned (also from my parents) to ask questions and be skeptical. By the time I was taking Catechism, I had started to notice the cracks in Christian mythology. Their version of the Christian Bible is outright self-contradictory in some places, and the rest of it has logical holes big enough to walk through. Eventually, I got stuck on two questions:
It never ceases to amaze me how many religious people just flat out don't have an answer for those questions, but damn if they don't want to bring up faith. "Faith" is not proof, and a god of the gaps argument is not useful.
I do find the study of mythology interesting and worthwhile. Various mythologies have heavily influenced society to this very day. We can still see various Christian, Jewish and Islamic mythologies having a heavy impact on modern world events. And the storytelling in many myths is interesting and tells us a lot about the issues a society was grappling with at the time the myths were created and the overlap between societies as they shared stories.
I'm also quite willing to partake in most religious celebrations. Any excuse for feasting, frolicking or fornicating seems worthwhile.
CosmicGoat@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 186d
I second the no thanks on "the god of the gaps." Very very important.
I've become a healthier and happier person after embracing my ignorance. Always learn. Always seek to know more. When the the data isn't there, it's okay. One need not fill the void.
Someday, we will have an answer. Or, perhaps not. We need to sit with that as it is.
slemptastrophe@piefed.social · 3 pts · 185d
I was raised in a devout Christian family. It never felt right to me. It just never felt capital "T" True.
After expressing that feeling at an early age, I was scolded and made to feel afraid of expressing any dissenting opinions about it. I guess I kind of internalized that fear, more as a coping mechanism than an actual belief.
When I got older, I rejected it outright, and went searching for the TRUE religion. I didn't find it, lol, and I began identifying as an atheist. Albeit, an atheist with a lot of knowledge of various religious and spiritual traditions.
Then, I read the Principia Discordia. That book changed my perspective on everything. It led me to Leary/Wilson's concept of reality tunnels. A person who only views things from one perspective (be that perspective religious, philosophical, scientific, or whatever) has a very narrow reality tunnel; a person who views things from multiple perspectives has a wider one. Our perception of reality is based on the perspectives we bring to it.
I think that most religions are structurally unsound as a whole. They fall apart under their own weight. But some of the discrete pieces of those religions can stand on their own, and when I find those pieces, I add them to my reality tunnel.
I'm drawn to non-dual forms of spirituality, because that's what feels true to me. I feel that way because of experiences I've had, or things that just feel true to me.
I don't expect anyone to feel the same way I do about it though. We don't have the same perspective, because we haven't had the same experiences. Expecting others to see things the way I do would be unfair, and wildly irrational.
CosmicGoat@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 185d
It's funny you say this. After I became an apostate and left my faith, as I learned and grew behind that... I came to the conclusion that I knew what true salvation was now. Or at least perhaps one kind of salvation.
Salvation lies within ones ability to embrace different perspectives.
So much pain, struggling, and strife can be resolved by a change in perspective.
sparkles@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 185d
CosmicGoat@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 185d
😳
starlinguk@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 186d
Nope. Wasn't raised religious. It's pretty common where I come from.
Griffus@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 185d
There has been written a lot of fantasy the last 3000 years, but I prefer the more recent ones.
CosmicGoat@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 185d
Honestly, the fiction that exists today has the capability of teaching incredibly valuable lessons with thousands of years of progress incorporated into it. I often find myself feeling all the warm and fuzzies when a fiction book of today touches important ethics amidst a simple sci-fi or fantasy story. 💜
There are certainly some good things to learn from ancient morality, like the Golden Rule, but it really cannot beat modern ethics. Many philosophies of long ago are still potent today, but many more (should) have become deprecated with the advent of modern science and ethics.
This is kind of why I've been gravitating towards Humanism. It's much of the goodness of religion, but without God.
Venator@lemmy.nz · 3 pts · 186d
Nah, catholic church was very boring and always seemed like a scam to me as long a I can remember. Also Occam's razor. I'm not an evangelical atheist though: that seems like a waste of time and effort.
UnhingedFridge@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 186d
No. Started in a Baptist family, but Mom died while I was young and Dad was less interested in the church, so I spent most of my adolescence not even acknowledging the hard questions of life. When those hard questions did arise, and answers aplenty showed their face, I was able to pick apart things in each religion that didn't make sense in order to keep myself from falling into the easy answers offered by others. Eventually, watching my grandma suffer from Alzheimer's gave me everything I needed to know about the soul and what makes each person themselves, so I found myself wholly stuck in an atheistic and scientific worldview.
Could there be something more? Maybe, but I can't see any of the existing religions fitting neatly into our cosmos.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 186d
Yes because I find it fascinating and meaningful and I'm open to new ideas.
whitemonster@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 185d
Do you identify yourself with a specific religion or are you just generally spiritual?
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d
I'm Christian, guess i'm a little scared of an avalanche of hate comments for saying that.
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 186d
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 186d
Tbh i don't get why anyone would ever profess to be a satanist if they don't believe in christianity. Satan is part of christianity... make it make sense
CosmicGoat@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 186d
Many forms of satanism, perhaps most?, aren't religious and do not believe in a literal Satan or in Christianity. Satan is used as a symbol of individualism, skepticism, and resistance to religious authority. For many satanists, it's less about worship and more about expressing values like personal autonomy and separation of church and state.
I have a lot of Satanist friends. I'm all for individualism, skepticism, and resistance to religious authorities, but I personally prefer to do it without all the satanic imagery. Just to tease, I occasionally remind them that their beliefs are too Christian for me. Haha. 😈
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 186d
Elaine@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 184d
I'm not religious because I never believed. From the first time when I was very young and asked at church "where was god?" and they couldn't answer. I called bullshit on it and I didn't even know what bullshit was.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 184d
MehBlah@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 184d
Why would I?
Edit: I don't have to though since it has already been explained.
"A religion is large popular cult. A cult is a small unpopular religion."
Its perfect explanation for a otherwise pointless topic.
moopet@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 184d
No. I don't understand why anyone is, really. The whole idea is so weird.
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 186d
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 185d
I'm somewhat religious as I believe some feelings are holy/otherworldly/peaceful but it's not bible religion and there is only one of me, not a group.
CosmicGoat@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 186d
I was very, very devout. After a long long while, I finally gathered enough courage to embrace apostasy (at no small cost). I'm much happier and healthier now.
zlatiah@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 186d
I'd like to think I'm a person of free will but... no, I'm not religious mainly because I was raised atheist. China was mostly folk religion (with a good bit of Buddhism) and in modern history it became aggressively atheist so... It's probably quite fascinating for ppl interested in history/religion studies, because I don't know any other country that is over 90% not religious
Obviously with scientific training & stuff I probably would have become an atheist or an agnostic anyways, but it's not because of my education that I became not religious so I can't really pitch it or anything...
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 186d
I wouldn't call weird spiritual stuff "atheist", per se.
Does your family burn those fake heaven money thing? Burn incense? Put a chicken on a huge plate as a "sacrifice", then like hold the fake heaven money in their hand then like pray to spirits or whatever while muttering weird 4 character phrases like 心想事成,快高長大, 學業進步。。。 etc... then throw the fake money into a metal container with burning fire... you know what I'm talking about, right?
Idk wtf they are even doing lmao... so weird, I just never participate since I was a teen because those traditions just felt silly.
That, to me, is religion, even though its not "officially" religious.
I don't think I'm gonna be burning fake heaven money if I have kids... like... nah... kinda weird lol... I don't really believe in the spirits stuff and feels like its adding more pollution for no reason. Maybe I'm just too westernized and don't feel attached to Chinese culture anymore.
My family is from Guangdong btw, maybe your family is different, idk, does your family do those weird rituals?
I feel like a "banana" lmfao... ("asian on the outside, westerner on the inside"), the only attachment I have is that I can still read basic Chinese characters... and speak on a 2nd grade level, that's about it...
Oh btw, my mom is very anti-mental-health care and constantly think my depression is just “鬼纏住你” and tells me to wear some necklace or some dumb shit that "wards off evil" lmfao...
And wasting food will “被雷公劈” lolol.
I threw away food I didn't like (I was a kid okay lol) and I never got struck by the lightning god or whatever so... okay boomers.
zlatiah@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 186d
My family is from Manchuria/Beijing where the communist party has a much stronger grip so... I'm not kidding, a lot of ppl literally practice no religion whatsoever; probably got stamped out by the CCP. I think there might be a rather strong North/South divide in China: the North unfortunately has always been under stricter supervision by the party so...
Like they separate it very clearly. My grandparents' generation have old folk religion but ppl would call them "Mi Xin" so... my dad did burn the fake money things, but only during my grandparents' tomb cleanings or anything to do with the older generation. One of my grandparents is Buddhist, but she does make it quite clear. Otherwise most ppl I know literally have nothing remotely resembling religious in their apartments
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 184d
On a related note: How harshly was the One Child Policy enforced where you're from? Like... did you know anyone or heard of anyone that managed to somehow give birth to a 2nd child... especially in urban areas or when the first child is a male (since rural areas had like an exception if the first child was female).
I'm just curious because I somehow managed to survive... like... I have no idea what the odds are to be a second son born during One Child Policy. Like my maternal grandparents had 3 daughters and they also only have daughters. My mom is the youngest so she had children the latest, so when my mom had not one, but two male children, my maternal grandfather was sooo happy, that's what my mom said.
Like... I have existential crisis all the time...
I don't think I would've been born if the policy was enforced more strictly... like if I was in the north for example...
Do you have any siblings at all?
zlatiah@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 184d
One of my highschool teachers said this and it has stuck with me for so many years, because it's true
The One Child Policy wasn't what broke Chinese demographics. It simply accelerated a demographic shift that would have happened on its own anyway
Ppl were crafty, so there were always ways around it... But then if ppl were like my parents who didn't even want the first child anyway, then yeah they'd be nudged to not have the second
So I do not have siblings
whitemonster@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 185d
Wow, this is so interesting. I feel like the fact that the Communist Party “stamps out” all types of religion is simply a testament to how important it is for humans to share with eachother something higher than our mortal plane. Would you be willing to share more about your experience with your grandparents, and how the culture has now switched to a vast majority practicing no religion at all?
zlatiah@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d
It's not as interesting... three of my grandparents passed away before I started memorizing things so I don't know that much stuff first-hand. But basically... At least where my parents grew up, old folk religions (again... just referred to Mi Xin now) used to be quite common. The last generation (starting 30-40 years ago) just don't really practice them anymore, so my generation are full of complete non-religious people; not even any folk religion. Not sure if it has anything to do with that region being the manufacturing hub of China for a while... so maybe CCP had a much stronger influence there
Beijing is kinda duh, the government is there so... I mean it is the city that destroyed nearly all of its Hu Tongs and historical housing and stuff to build highrises/business districts, how would people imagine Beijing treat its less tangible cultural norms
There was a new religion purge that started sometime 10-15 years ago... but I think it was separate. I just remember there was a Christian family friend whose church was in a bit of a trouble
RBWells@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d
Like siempastrophe, I was not blessed with belief. I remember finding out that the adults at the church really believed the stories they were telling were true, when I was 5 or so.
I wouldn't say I am Atheist, with a capital A, either. No way to disprove, and the simple fact of physical existence is so mind-blowing, the universe existing at all, consciousness, time. But no I can't believe enough to believe in any particular religion as true.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 186d
No but not for any hard reasons. It just never appealed to me
gajahmada@awful.systems · 1 pts · 185d
Nah, cuz retrovirus in chimps. Also, whales.
Dr_Vindaloo@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 184d
lots of people are theistic evolutionists though.
gajahmada@awful.systems · 2 pts · 184d
They can have their agency, as do I.
It's the conclusion I arrived at and there's nothing in my flavor of abrahamic faith I grew up with that can reconcile that. Well, unless Isa/Jesus comes down from the sky, then I'll cross the bridge when I come to it.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d
No. It's a scam created by humans to control the behavior of other humans. And to steal their $$ with false hopes of a nonexistent "paradise".
I find it mind boggling that people still get indoctrinated into the Cults. It's sad and pathetic.
whitemonster@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 185d
Do you think that religion as a whole is unproductive/useless? Maybe even borderline harmful?
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 185d
Not the OP, but I believe religion, while having some positive aspects, is overall harmful. Lies always are.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d
Very harmful. Full of BS. Countless millions murdered in the name of religion. Trillions $$ stolen from people's pockets. And more Trillions $$ in slave labor, either true slaves or fools that have volunteered many hours of their time.
Big religion should not be treated any differently than the truly rotten Cults .
jerkface@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 184d
Whether they recognize it or not, all humans have religious needs. The need to feel like a good person (whether you are or not) is a religious need. The need to have hope for the future (whether hope is reasonable or not) is a religious need. The need for something bigger than yourself to look up to (regardless of how capable you are) is a religious need. People don't always meet these needs through what would be recognized as an organized religion, but they still usually meet these needs through religious means.