The multitude of marks that support a fascist regime get the emotion right and the facts wrong, making them useful idiots for the ideological fascists as they will fight to defend the fascist state with the same zeal with which they ought to oppose it. The environment of fear that fascism creates ends up fueling their hatred because the virtual reality that fascist propaganda maintains for them allows them to misattribute all their negative emotions to the enemies of the state.
I'll never understand why someone could actually want to put effort into dividing the American populace from the America military right now
Like, even if you don't know about how many non US citizens are in the US military...
It's seems obvious that the better plan would be getting military on the side of the populace and not the fascists rather than driving the military towards the fascists.
I've been trying to figure out a reason for a while, because these posts aren't uncommon.
But I can't come up with a reason that wouldn't be against civility rules if I posted it.
The issue is congress really. They have the power to stop anything the President does. Sadly too many Republicans are loyal to Trump alone and not the regular people.
Only hope is a flip in the midterm and Trump gets neutered. We'll see.
The issue is congress really. They have the power to stop anything the President does. Sadly too many Republicans are loyal to Trump alone and not the regular people.
Which is "kind of" the reason we should be getting the military on the side of the people and not chasing them into the arms of fascism because they have nowhere else to go...
Like, fucking obviously man...
What you're saying is the reason I said what I said in the first place.
Only hope
That is not the "only" hope, it's the most pain free "good" option. Saying because that option exists means we out all our eggs in that basket, is even dumber than literally putting all our eggs in one basket.
We can't just kick our heels up and hope this works, we work on this and the next 27 different plans that would sequentially be the least painfree while arriving at the "good" result.
I dunno, I'm just venting. It's fucking depressing that every comment is a choice between "too long no one will read" and "if you don't mention everything obvious, you'll have to later".
The Iraq war the way the Republicans (especially in the military) defended George W Bush and continued to support republicans after the as mind boggling.
Because you can never trust or rely on an ally who's on your side because you are being nice to them instead of because they have some kind of scruples.
It's no better than say, sucking up to someone with a peace award in the hopes they don't start a war.
I didn't say that, and I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth. Also not to be a dick, but I'll settle for the first one
What I SAID was, specifically changing your behavior to gain the support of someone whose loyalties are so flaky that they'll change sides because of your behavior in the first place is a pointless exercise.
Because you can never trust or rely on an ally who’s on your side because you are being nice to them instead of because they have some kind of scruples.
It’s no better than say, sucking up to someone with a peace award in the hopes they don’t start a war.
You said it's one or the other.
And now you're saying that people shouldnt have went by the literal words you typed, you've retroactively changed what you meant because that rationalize is easier than admitting you were wrong.
I hope you stop imitating our president someday, but I'll never know. Because you just get belligerent like he does too, and I'm not dealing with that shit.
I have similar feelings with people who put more importance on tone policing while fucking fascists are building concentration camps.
But here we are and that's what you're doing
So I usually put one last hail mary comment, because you understanding this is more important than how nice you think someone is:
If you think the message would be better received another way, fucking try that
Don't try and insist that every spreads the message the same way, because that's a recipe for it not reaching large parts of the population.
But there's going to be a lot of less than a week old accounts with single digit comments trying to waste people's time and stop doing what's effective.
And here it is. Of course a person like you isn't gonna reread the thread and go "oh boy i kinda went overboard on this one and went straight for the jugular, i guess i was in a foul mood".
Nah. Of course you're gonna write a whole fanfic about how you're actually trying to maximize good by... telling someone whose point you barely understand that they are "a recent example of the American education system" and "imitating our president someday".
And you do that, not because you have poor impulse control and emotion management, but because really you are fighting the good fight and trying to spread a positive message to the masses.
It's seems obvious that the better plan would be getting military on the side of the citizens and not the fascists rather than driving the military towards the fascists.
That's the better plan, as long as they're willing to denounce American imperialism. If criticizing the imperialism they're cooperating with is enough to push them away, then they're less than worthless as an ally. Also some of us aren't American and don't care about the health of liberal democracy in your murderous neocolonial empire.
Trump already gutted most of the senior leadership in the American military that wouldn't dance to his tune. Plus the American military already has a bunch of right leaning uneducated idiots that are more than willing to 'just follow orders'.
I wouldn't expect anything much out of them honestly. Like most things what Americans portray and what they do is pretty different. It's just a couple steps away from calling themselves the Democratic Republic of America.
The fascists are the ones who are sending the military personnel to face injury and death. How would this not drive the military away from the fascists?
Deleted Reddit the moment they decided too not let me block entire subs off of my front page. Fuck Peter Thiel, Ycombinator. Fuck snoop, fuck u/spez and fuck any platform controlled by silicon valley going forward again. They can all eat a giant dick.
For real, and fuck the heritage foundation that says holding social media to rules is censorship, like Europe is doing with fining x. It's literally protecting your own citizens, bro.
Hackernews is hilarious to hate read though, the commenters maintain a genius level of learned intellectual helplessness when it comes to thinking critically about anything that isn't glorified Factorio.
Not the poster, but I'm going to assume they say so because: "Middle East has lots of sand = sandbox" with the additional layer of meaning of "sandbox" as a place where children play and make stuff up, implying (perhaps) that the Middle East tends to be the place where the wealthy and powerful "play around," treating the people who live there (and the war machine they bring to it) as toys for their (sick) amusement. At least this is how I read it.
Yes, I'm saying that using the term is obviously problematic as it has been used to devalue the space in dozens of countries and the lives of millions of people. This commenter made this comment as though they're critical of US imperialism but reproduced its enforced understanding of these regions.
It is really hard not to let the oppressors lexicon invade yours and in that act change your message in subtle ways.
For instance, using a term like bleeding-heart. They also do their best to obscure words and change their meaning. Think of woke or feminism as examples.
do you think the "/s" is necessary? "the Internet ... it's a series of tubes" isn't something people will take literally. No offense, but do you struggle with social interaction? Let me know please
You've been trolling on Lemmy for three months, at least 90 days, and that weak shite is the best you can come up with? The only thing that's offensive here is how sad and boring it is.
"no offense.." he said, like a sackless, passive aggressive little bitch who definitely intended offense, just before projecting his social inadequacies lol.
I did see that, and that doesn't preclude me talking to you, just as I'm sure OP didn't personally invite you to a closed conversation. This is how a social setting works, and if you get all butthurt to the degree that you get snarky and defensive when other people than you intended have opinions about your opinions then you are overly sensitive, and I thought you deserved to have that pointed out for you. Thanks for the well-wishing, sir.
To give you a perspective from outside the USA: Trump was elected the first time in 2016. Ten years ago. So if you're a young person currently enlisted in the army, you did enlist voluntarily under Trump1. Or under Biden where you could see for years that that could mean serving under another MAGA presidency. Or maybe you did enlist under Trump2. So yeah, why shouldn't everybody make fun of those fools who are voluntarily risking their lives for that?
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OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world · 96 pts · 174d
Flag should be upside-down at this point I believe
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 47 pts · 174d
SCOTUS Justice Roberts flew an inverted flag at his residence in support of the Big Lie.
Wonder what his thoughts may be today....
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 25 pts · 174d
I'll never understand people who rage against the machine who are part of the machine.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 174d
The multitude of marks that support a fascist regime get the emotion right and the facts wrong, making them useful idiots for the ideological fascists as they will fight to defend the fascist state with the same zeal with which they ought to oppose it. The environment of fear that fascism creates ends up fueling their hatred because the virtual reality that fascist propaganda maintains for them allows them to misattribute all their negative emotions to the enemies of the state.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 174d
Rage and the Machine
Frozengyro@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 174d
People tend to see themselves as the hero and/or victim pretty much all the time
rainwall@piefed.social · 10 pts · 174d
Pretty sure that was Alito, but Roberts is also a piece of shit.
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 82 pts · 174d
Do the good deed and hit up their spouses on the dating apps
m3t00@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 173d
from a vet group. jodi is remf
or
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 11 pts · 173d
Very accurate depiction of the attractiveness of most military spouses.
m3t00@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 173d
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 174d
We already are lmao
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 173d
I should ask my wife if we can adopt a Jodi
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 173d
Deploy the Jodi Brigade
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 45 pts · 174d
Furbag@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 174d
He called you losers and suckers and you still enlisted. Not going to shed a salty tear for lives lost in the new middle eastern quagmire.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 4 pts · 173d
A lot of them joined during the Biden administration.
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 18 pts · 173d
One of the main cheerleaders of the Iraq War. The point stands.
tempest@lemmy.ca · 28 pts · 174d
I don't know. I've been told they are "just a bunch of suckers" so /shrug
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 23 pts · 174d
We are going to make daddy proud!
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 173d
RIP all the innocents that are currently dying and will die from this administration of death and debauchery.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 174d
I'll never understand why someone could actually want to put effort into dividing the American populace from the America military right now
Like, even if you don't know about how many non US citizens are in the US military...
It's seems obvious that the better plan would be getting military on the side of the populace and not the fascists rather than driving the military towards the fascists.
I've been trying to figure out a reason for a while, because these posts aren't uncommon.
But I can't come up with a reason that wouldn't be against civility rules if I posted it.
Lucky_777@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 174d
The issue is congress really. They have the power to stop anything the President does. Sadly too many Republicans are loyal to Trump alone and not the regular people.
Only hope is a flip in the midterm and Trump gets neutered. We'll see.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 174d
Which is "kind of" the reason we should be getting the military on the side of the people and not chasing them into the arms of fascism because they have nowhere else to go...
Like, fucking obviously man...
What you're saying is the reason I said what I said in the first place.
That is not the "only" hope, it's the most pain free "good" option. Saying because that option exists means we out all our eggs in that basket, is even dumber than literally putting all our eggs in one basket.
We can't just kick our heels up and hope this works, we work on this and the next 27 different plans that would sequentially be the least painfree while arriving at the "good" result.
I dunno, I'm just venting. It's fucking depressing that every comment is a choice between "too long no one will read" and "if you don't mention everything obvious, you'll have to later".
GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 174d
This meme made me feel empathetic to those in the military, not divided.
danc4498@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 174d
The Iraq war the way the Republicans (especially in the military) defended George W Bush and continued to support republicans after the as mind boggling.
mattyroses@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 173d
Iraq wasn't just the GOP. Most Democratic leaders - including Hillary Clinton and Biden - supported and voted for it
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 174d
Because you can never trust or rely on an ally who's on your side because you are being nice to them instead of because they have some kind of scruples.
It's no better than say, sucking up to someone with a peace award in the hopes they don't start a war.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 174d
Buddy...
If you think the only two options are bing antognistic or "sucking up"...
Well, sounds like you are a recent example of the American education system
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 174d
I didn't say that, and I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth. Also not to be a dick, but I'll settle for the first one
What I SAID was, specifically changing your behavior to gain the support of someone whose loyalties are so flaky that they'll change sides because of your behavior in the first place is a pointless exercise.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 174d
No, that's how quoting works, you literally said:
You said it's one or the other.
And now you're saying that people shouldnt have went by the literal words you typed, you've retroactively changed what you meant because that rationalize is easier than admitting you were wrong.
I hope you stop imitating our president someday, but I'll never know. Because you just get belligerent like he does too, and I'm not dealing with that shit.
AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 174d
No, actually, this is how quoting works. See how, quite literally, they never said it was one or the other? You just made that up.
YOU, on the other hand, quoted them, then put words in their mouth that they didn't say. And I can quote that here.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 173d
AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 173d
Hey what the fuck man! I was looking forward to arguing more! You can't kick me out!
Zos_Kia@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 173d
Abrasive comments like that, with no content whatsoever apart from insults, are really the lowest points of the Lemmy experience.
No willingness to share or accept any information, just pure sodium. Despicable really.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 173d
I have similar feelings with people who put more importance on tone policing while fucking fascists are building concentration camps.
But here we are and that's what you're doing
So I usually put one last hail mary comment, because you understanding this is more important than how nice you think someone is:
If you think the message would be better received another way, fucking try that
Don't try and insist that every spreads the message the same way, because that's a recipe for it not reaching large parts of the population.
But there's going to be a lot of less than a week old accounts with single digit comments trying to waste people's time and stop doing what's effective.
And how do I know which you are?
Zos_Kia@jlai.lu · 3 pts · 173d
And here it is. Of course a person like you isn't gonna reread the thread and go "oh boy i kinda went overboard on this one and went straight for the jugular, i guess i was in a foul mood".
Nah. Of course you're gonna write a whole fanfic about how you're actually trying to maximize good by... telling someone whose point you barely understand that they are "a recent example of the American education system" and "imitating our president someday".
And you do that, not because you have poor impulse control and emotion management, but because really you are fighting the good fight and trying to spread a positive message to the masses.
What a fucking useless way to spend calories.
architect@thelemmy.club · 0 pts · 173d
You know how annoying it is to read these long ass diatribes of bullshit? On top of it: you’re wrong!
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 9 pts · 174d
That's the better plan, as long as they're willing to denounce American imperialism. If criticizing the imperialism they're cooperating with is enough to push them away, then they're less than worthless as an ally. Also some of us aren't American and don't care about the health of liberal democracy in your murderous neocolonial empire.
tempest@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 174d
Trump already gutted most of the senior leadership in the American military that wouldn't dance to his tune. Plus the American military already has a bunch of right leaning uneducated idiots that are more than willing to 'just follow orders'.
I wouldn't expect anything much out of them honestly. Like most things what Americans portray and what they do is pretty different. It's just a couple steps away from calling themselves the Democratic Republic of America.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 1 pts · 173d
They would NEVER call themselves anything that has the word 'Democrat' within it.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 174d
The fascists are the ones who are sending the military personnel to face injury and death. How would this not drive the military away from the fascists?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 173d
There is a certain mindset in the military that believes the military is being wasted if they aren't being actively used. Not everyone, but enough.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 173d
Well, you can't fix stupid. And it's a fool's errand to try.
architect@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 173d
If you can be divided against the people you claim to sacrifice your life for then that’s a promise you broke not them.
clot27@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 173d
Americans wont be able to do shit regardless
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 173d
You can't think of anything they could do.
That's different and it's incredible naive for you to think the only things that could happen are the things you can think of.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 173d
War is peace.
ZMoney@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 173d
Ignorance is strength.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 173d
I apologize if you get an off-kilter comment from me. I was leaving it for somebody else and accidentally left ubder your comment.
Yes, I completely agree with you.
areakode@riskeratspizza.com · 1 pts · 173d
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 173d
areakode@riskeratspizza.com · 2 pts · 173d
Freedom is slavery.
Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 173d
saw this on reddit lmao
ishartdoritos@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 173d
Deleted Reddit the moment they decided too not let me block entire subs off of my front page. Fuck Peter Thiel, Ycombinator. Fuck snoop, fuck u/spez and fuck any platform controlled by silicon valley going forward again. They can all eat a giant dick.
Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 171d
For real, and fuck the heritage foundation that says holding social media to rules is censorship, like Europe is doing with fining x. It's literally protecting your own citizens, bro.
dismay3915@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 173d
Why ycombinator?
ishartdoritos@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 172d
It's Peter Thiel's little Harrem of fuckbois.
nodiratime@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 172d
Read up on what their CEO is up to (especially recently).
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 172d
Hackernews is hilarious to hate read though, the commenters maintain a genius level of learned intellectual helplessness when it comes to thinking critically about anything that isn't glorified Factorio.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 174d
More war in the sandbox coming soon
orioler25@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 174d
Why did you call it that?
FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 8 pts · 174d
Not the poster, but I'm going to assume they say so because: "Middle East has lots of sand = sandbox" with the additional layer of meaning of "sandbox" as a place where children play and make stuff up, implying (perhaps) that the Middle East tends to be the place where the wealthy and powerful "play around," treating the people who live there (and the war machine they bring to it) as toys for their (sick) amusement. At least this is how I read it.
orioler25@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 174d
Yes, I'm saying that using the term is obviously problematic as it has been used to devalue the space in dozens of countries and the lives of millions of people. This commenter made this comment as though they're critical of US imperialism but reproduced its enforced understanding of these regions.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 6 pts · 173d
It's fairly common slang among people in the military. With "going to play in the sandbox" being a euphemism for a deployment in Afghanistan or Iraq.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 173d
Yes. That is the problem I'm pointing out. The slang used by imperialist soldiers shouldnt be used by people who claim to criticize imperialism.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 173d
It is really hard not to let the oppressors lexicon invade yours and in that act change your message in subtle ways.
For instance, using a term like bleeding-heart. They also do their best to obscure words and change their meaning. Think of woke or feminism as examples.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 173d
Yes, so it's good to point it out when people do it.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 173d
war declared less than 24 hours from the end of the Olympic distraction
clot27@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 173d
Fry the yankees if they come your home
graycloud@leminal.space · 4 pts · 173d
Those are confederates, friend.
Tetragrade@leminal.space · 3 pts · 173d
find out
TractorDuffy@lemmy.world · -38 pts · 173d
..are you making fun of soldiers instead of the administration that deployed them? I feel sorry for your family.
Chonk@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 173d
Certainly not making fun of soldiers but feeling sorry for what they have to do
TractorDuffy@lemmy.world · -21 pts · 173d
uh, I was talking to OP..........
Binturong@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 173d
Did... did you think it's just the two of you on here and you're talking in private?
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 173d
Isn't that how the Internet works? It's a series of tubes and you're forcing yourself into their tubes!
/s
TractorDuffy@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 173d
do you think the "/s" is necessary? "the Internet ... it's a series of tubes" isn't something people will take literally. No offense, but do you struggle with social interaction? Let me know please
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 173d
Yeesh, if you're going to ragebait you need to try harder
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 173d
You've been trolling on Lemmy for three months, at least 90 days, and that weak shite is the best you can come up with? The only thing that's offensive here is how sad and boring it is.
/s...?
AHamSandwich@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 173d
TIL there is a bottom of the barrel for trolling.
Binturong@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 173d
"no offense.." he said, like a sackless, passive aggressive little bitch who definitely intended offense, just before projecting his social inadequacies lol.
TractorDuffy@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 173d
Did you think I was talking to you? OP's name is directly under the post title. Scroll up and you can see for yourself. Good luck out there buddy.
Binturong@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 173d
I did see that, and that doesn't preclude me talking to you, just as I'm sure OP didn't personally invite you to a closed conversation. This is how a social setting works, and if you get all butthurt to the degree that you get snarky and defensive when other people than you intended have opinions about your opinions then you are overly sensitive, and I thought you deserved to have that pointed out for you. Thanks for the well-wishing, sir.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 173d
muelltonne@feddit.org · 6 pts · 173d
To give you a perspective from outside the USA: Trump was elected the first time in 2016. Ten years ago. So if you're a young person currently enlisted in the army, you did enlist voluntarily under Trump1. Or under Biden where you could see for years that that could mean serving under another MAGA presidency. Or maybe you did enlist under Trump2. So yeah, why shouldn't everybody make fun of those fools who are voluntarily risking their lives for that?
architect@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 173d
Everyone has a choice to participate, even if the choices are really fucking shit.
Sometimes doing the right thing requires sacrifice of your self. A good person will do that. They show integrity through actions.
Or in other words you don’t get to claim you risked your life for America if you won’t even risk your bank amount for it.