The hammer and sickle symbolized the biggest groups of proletarians, manual laborers and farmers. What would today's symbol be?

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MintyFresh@lemmy.world · 94 pts · 214d (2 replies)

SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 31 pts · 214d (1 reply)

Well, I already own one of those things...

Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 35 pts · 214d

time to save up for the vibrator !

communism@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 214d (1 reply)

It didn't symbolise that. It symbolises the unity between the industrial proletariat and the peasantry. It's not about different proletarian occupations; it's about a class alliance between two working classes.

The peasantry doesn't exist anymore in most parts of the world, but imo most people understand the hammer and sickle to symbolise communism anyway so it still works.

Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 214d

Can't believe I missed that in the title, yea, peasantry aren't proletarian but instead they are their own class.

Edie@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 214d (4 replies)

The GDR coat of arms or the WPK emblem are nice variations

Compass and Hammer from the flag of East Germany

Brush, Sickle, and Hammer from the Workers Party Of Korea Emblem

Quills have been used in a bunch of variations. Cogwheels too

Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 214d

Always thought the GDR and WPK had awesome h&s variations!

sushiatnight@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 214d

I absolutely love the WPK emblem.

BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 214d

The WPK emblem is perfection.

captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 212d

The GDR's is exactly what I would expect out of German communism. "We have the two working classes: laborers and engineers"

SGforce@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 214d

Bluetooth headset and an uber eats food carrier

Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 26 pts · 214d (2 replies)

The same, honestly. These jobs never went away, they were just shifted out of the imperial core to the periphery. It's a symbol of two classes, the proletariat and the peasantry. While the peasantry has been mostly phased out, its symbol remains.

draco_aeneus@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 214d (1 reply)

I don't think the scythe really represents farming in the modern era though.

Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 214d

Neither does the hammer for the average industrial worker, but both are symbolic.

onlooker@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 214d (1 reply)

An Excel spreadsheet.

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 214d

Except not all comrades are white-collar workers.

A very large number of us, believe it or not, are blue collar.

(I'm one of them.)

davel@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 214d

An espresso group head and an AI prompt.

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 214d

Definitely just the hammer & sickle. It still very much applies.

Alternatively, though this is not strictly Communism but Socialism, I really like the common logo used for Democratic Socialism, the Fist and Rose!

I also really like the logo of the Democratic Socialists of America!

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 214d

Probably just an updated hammer and sickle, really.

fixmycode@feddit.cl · 8 pts · 212d

CleoCommunist@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 214d

Like someone here in the commercial said, today the labour is to much diverse and there probably couldny be just a few symbols. I Just fucking love so much the red star, it's very iconic but also simple. Idk thou

BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 214d

A spatula and a necktie.

Alsjemenou@lemy.nl · 4 pts · 212d

A computer mouse and crippling debt.

draco_aeneus@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 214d

I think modern labour might be too diverse to cover properly with only a few symbols. We're no longer uniting two labour forces, material conditions have changed. I think that instead of focusing on types of labour, we might instead focus on what the movement can bring.

We could put basic human rights on a theoretical new flag. A drop represents access to water, bread represents access to food, and a roof over both.

If you want a new flag, picking something that unites is all (our needs) might be a good way to go.

folaht@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 214d (4 replies)

This is the way I see it:

Primary sector: Agriculture - Sickle - Manufactures edible goods
Secondary sector: Industry - Hammer - Manufactures non-edible goods
Tertiary sector: Service - Mop - Helps people through transporting goods, repairing goods, cleaning, healing organisms, cashiering and catering.
Quarternary sector: Authority - Pen - Provides Law and Order through Government, Justice, Police, Education, Political, Media and Mental support (Psychiatry & Religion)
Quinary sector: Finance - Banknote - Gambles
Sextary sector: Automation - Cogwheel - Destroys jobs

As the service sector is large and sextary sector petite bourgeoisie than the service sector I suggest the following:

Mop and Pizza Box

I do think we're not there yet though.
Both objects are accurate but I feel like we need something more aggressive to show that we're revolutionary.
Hammers and sickles are both tools that can be used as weapons.


[edit #3]

Changed Judiciary to Authority.
Changed entertainment media from service sector to authority sector so now all media is in the authority sector, as plenty of entertainment shows have tried to and sometimes successfully driven people to adept to their political world views or even driven into political action.

[edit #2]

On second thought, perhaps I’ll replace syringe with pizza box. It evens out the sexes, both mop and syringe are practiced most often by women (cleaning lady and nurse), while transportation of goods is more often preferred by men as carrying goods can sometimes be physically demanding.

[edit]

I changed the Syringe to mop in the Tertiary sector as suggested by mech,
although I have to say that nurse is very common job,
which is why I chose the syringe.
Same goes for delivery person, but I'm betting on it being automated away faster than nursehood.

I crossed out cogwheel as a symbol for the proletariat as I realize that I consider a subsector of this (engineers) to be one part of the ruling class (the other being scholars) within socialism and thus not the proletariat.

mech@feddit.org · 4 pts · 214d (1 reply)

I feel like the one tool that's used by the most workers in the Tertiary sector is the mop.
Every office in the world needs to be cleaned. And it's part of the job for everyone in retail or food service, too.

folaht@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 214d

You convinced me:
I changed Pizza box to Mop and put Syringe in second place.

childeofentropy@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 212d

may i ask why do you consider engineers and scholars as part of the ruling class/not part of the proletariat?

Cowbee@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 212d

Engineers are overwhelmingly proletarian, and all classes produce their own intellectuals, meaning there are bourgeois scholars and proletarian scholars.

daggermoon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 214d

I think the ACP has a neat symbol. It's too bad the party is ass.

Edit: Before anybody gives me shit about it, it's a conservative party.

Twongo@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 214d

Laptop and Starbucks cup 🥰🥰

ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 214d

I like this one, especially. The DPRK one is great as well

Pirat@lemmy.org · 4 pts · 214d

a manual particle collector (broom) and a manual particle shifter (shovel).

kindnesskills@literature.cafe · 3 pts · 214d

Protective gloves representing a lot of blue collars like industrial, mechanical, medical, and maintenance, cleaning.

Keyboard or headset (I considered outlook calendar or zoom symbols, but dont think a specific company should be immortalised here) for a lot of white collars.

Ladislawgrowlo@lemy.lol · 2 pts · 212d

Two symbols: A cracked skull to remember the people who died in wars. A sword to fight oppression.

JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 214d

A couch and a cell phone.

Witchfire@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 214d
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