They are obviously withholding incriminating documents too, but a lot of the sheer file size of what hasn't been released is going to be many many terabytes of CSAM.
Is it? How would we know? Has anyone seen it and reported on it? Where is that report. Supposedly according to Corrupt Barbie "all" of the files have been released.
And they haven't been shy about redactions have they. They could still show something from each file. Metadata for one. identified people. Etc.
Well, there is the candid footage captured of her saying there are "thousands of videos, all little kids". And I have no reason to believe that particular statement was a lie. We know there was a ton of porn on there, and a ton of CSAM. Videos take up a lot of space.
As I said, there is also going to be a ton of material that's withheld because it's incriminating. That's pretty much confirmed. But not all 14 TB are going to be proof of Trump's crimes in black and white, a lot of it is just going to be CSAM.
A lot of it can't be just CSAM. CSAM isn't something that just naturally happens. Someone had to be the abuser in those videos. There's no such thing as just CSAM, it's all incriminating material. How to release those is a whole other topic because you can't just release the video because it's pretty much guaranteed to contain the victims. But they can blur out the victims, they can just release the audio and cut out the victims names, they can release transcriptions of video etc. We could have a whole comment chain on what would be the best way to release the information in the videos but that's currently not the point. The point is that they could release it if they wanted to, they're simply hiding behind the "it's just CSAM" argument to not release the actually incriminating materials.
You're right, just commenting to add there's plenty of redacted CSAM in the released files alone. I explained in a comment elsewhere in the thread, with links.
And fair enough, but I think the legislation that requires it all to be released either accounts for this or doesn’t. And if it doesn’t and they don’t have to release it, let’s hear it, because that was not what the news told me.
One of the only non-budget-critical pieces of legislation to actually pass and be signed.
As someone who was fool enough to tack an "mp4" onto the end of one of those "pdf" files without knowing what was in it first -- a loophole that has since been closed -- I can personally attest that there are an absolute fuckton of redacted CSAM videos in the released files alone which does not include the still-missing 3M unreleased files.
But if you want to see more evidence, here's where I got the news to begin with:
This is what I'm saying. Block out the entirety of the video other than the heads of the pedophiles. I'm shocked this isn't happening. 14TB of data is over 2000 hours of 1080p video. Surely there's at least a few frames of evidence that incriminates someone other than Epstein they could release
IDK what the way forward is here but just as a point of reference... in criminal cases involving CSAM you don't publish the CSAM, you just have a credible trial. I guess that credible trial just isn't possible in this case.
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Coelacanth@feddit.nu · 99 pts · 171d
They are obviously withholding incriminating documents too, but a lot of the sheer file size of what hasn't been released is going to be many many terabytes of CSAM.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 171d
Is it? How would we know? Has anyone seen it and reported on it? Where is that report. Supposedly according to Corrupt Barbie "all" of the files have been released.
And they haven't been shy about redactions have they. They could still show something from each file. Metadata for one. identified people. Etc.
Coelacanth@feddit.nu · 38 pts · 171d
Well, there is the candid footage captured of her saying there are "thousands of videos, all little kids". And I have no reason to believe that particular statement was a lie. We know there was a ton of porn on there, and a ton of CSAM. Videos take up a lot of space.
As I said, there is also going to be a ton of material that's withheld because it's incriminating. That's pretty much confirmed. But not all 14 TB are going to be proof of Trump's crimes in black and white, a lot of it is just going to be CSAM.
Goodeye8@piefed.social · 11 pts · 171d
A lot of it can't be just CSAM. CSAM isn't something that just naturally happens. Someone had to be the abuser in those videos. There's no such thing as just CSAM, it's all incriminating material. How to release those is a whole other topic because you can't just release the video because it's pretty much guaranteed to contain the victims. But they can blur out the victims, they can just release the audio and cut out the victims names, they can release transcriptions of video etc. We could have a whole comment chain on what would be the best way to release the information in the videos but that's currently not the point. The point is that they could release it if they wanted to, they're simply hiding behind the "it's just CSAM" argument to not release the actually incriminating materials.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 171d
You're right, just commenting to add there's plenty of redacted CSAM in the released files alone. I explained in a comment elsewhere in the thread, with links.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 171d
And fair enough, but I think the legislation that requires it all to be released either accounts for this or doesn’t. And if it doesn’t and they don’t have to release it, let’s hear it, because that was not what the news told me.
One of the only non-budget-critical pieces of legislation to actually pass and be signed.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 171d
As someone who was fool enough to tack an "mp4" onto the end of one of those "pdf" files without knowing what was in it first -- a loophole that has since been closed -- I can personally attest that there are an absolute fuckton of redacted CSAM videos in the released files alone which does not include the still-missing 3M unreleased files.
But if you want to see more evidence, here's where I got the news to begin with:
Reddit:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/1qx81dj/type_this_in_and_change_pdf_to_mp4/
Alternate link:
https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/Epstein/comments/1qx81dj/type_this_in_and_change_pdf_to_mp4/
Again, it is my understanding this loophole has now been closed for the DoJ website.
kingofras@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 170d
Yeah it has
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 170d
Wtffff
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf · 16 pts · 171d
The real 'p' tapes.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 171d
I was making this argument 7 years ago.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 170d
The fucker is going to die without facing justice, isn't he.
Geobloke@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 171d
With some of the videos, would it be hard to anonymise the victims?
Carrot@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 171d
This is what I'm saying. Block out the entirety of the video other than the heads of the pedophiles. I'm shocked this isn't happening. 14TB of data is over 2000 hours of 1080p video. Surely there's at least a few frames of evidence that incriminates someone other than Epstein they could release
adavis@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 171d
Easy. Release the innocuous ones. And transcribe the incriminating the same way blind people can get descriptions of movies.
Describe the heinous acts, use anonymity for the victims, use the names for everyone else.
fizzle@quokk.au · 4 pts · 171d
IDK what the way forward is here but just as a point of reference... in criminal cases involving CSAM you don't publish the CSAM, you just have a credible trial. I guess that credible trial just isn't possible in this case.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 171d
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Would it? Why?
vrek@programming.dev · 6 pts · 171d
I want to read your 14 terabyte book about unicorns swimming with dolphins.... I don't think it's text
abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 171d
The videos have long been deleted
CptEnder@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 171d
I'd be shocked if the NSA doesn't have copies even without the rest of the government knowing.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 171d
Israel has the backups.
SolacefromSilence@fedia.io · 15 pts · 171d
I bet they have the originals too
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 171d
I'm sure that's right. So does Pooty-poot and the Saudis.
defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 171d
And apparently Iran. I wouldn't be surprised if China and North Korea also have copies.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 171d
...and the f'n Russians.
aeration1217@lemmy.org · 1 pts · 171d
off-site storage ftw
RustyShackleford@piefed.social · 7 pts · 171d
Oh they definitely do, we had backups of backups we didn’t even know about half the time.
telllos@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 171d
If there are videos, they were used for black mail. They are not deleted
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 171d
Says who?
fizzle@quokk.au · 1 pts · 171d
LOL. There's just no way.