Some Slavic languages apparently also have distinct masculine and feminine versions of verbs, which match the speaker if in the first person. Apparently so does Icelandic (to the point where an Icelandic modernist novel was titled “When I Got Pregnant”, though in the masculine form)
Any men seeking to learn Japanese from their local girlfriend, be warned: you will sound a bit gay to everyone for awhile. Fortunately, this is common enough that most Japanese won't razz you for it
I took Japanese in college and I didn't realize until I started talking to actual Japanese people that the classes were teaching me the girliest princess honorifics possible lol
At one point, there was an online tool that could determine if a writing sample was done by a man or a woman, and it was 95% accurate. This was the pre-LLM days, so it was a fairly simple script, just comparing word choices and grammar.
Those aren't really accents. In many Slavic languages, the declination of verbs is gender-specific in the past tense and conditionals. The form is -l for masculine and -la for feminine. You can pronounce it -lǝ (emphasize the schwa that comes at the end of -l) to be vague about it, use the -lo neutrum (dehumanizing), or, to also sound sassy, one of the plural forms -li (default), -ly (all female or neutral, pronounced the same as -li) or -la (all neutral). Yeah, no good gender-neutral options yet.
I am told that in the movie Dances with Wolves, all the language consultants were women, and as a result all the characters speak with a noticable "women's accent" that is very noticablevto older Lakota viewers.
I love the clip from "Louder Milk" that they use. I would've thought it was enough to nip the epidemic in the bud, embarassing all vocal deep-friers into working on themselves.
There are a bunch of cultures where a ‘sacred language’ is permitted only for men, or there are distinct languages used by only men and only women. Unfortunately, my memory isn't so good as to remember what those languages are. A quick search shows that the Kallawaya language is a ‘secret language’ passed down usually from father to son, and to daughters only if a man has no sons.
You could also try looking through above-mentioned sacred languages and ritual languages for whether it's mentioned that any of them are specific to a gender.
I mean, again, most if not all of them. Almost every language there's slight variations in pronunciation, intonation, vocabulary and pacing between men and women that would otherwise qualify as a "different accent." It's more pronounced in some regions and dialects, but most of them have "male" and "female" variations.
Can you give an example? People have different idiolects but slight changes in intonation aren't usually enough to make an accent of one type distinct from others in that type. Like not everyone with the General American accent sounds exactly the same but you can still say this group is GenAm, this other one is Appalachian, etc.
Yes, but it’s usually very subtle (e.g. in realizations of single phonemes or in intonation). There are also more extreme cases which other commenters have pointed out.
I recommend you look up sociolects and sociolinguistics.
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zxqwas@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 206d
There is one village in Nigeria where the men and women speak different languages. Not sure if that is a satisfactory answer.
porcoesphino@mander.xyz · 27 pts · 206d
Seems legit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubang
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 14 pts · 206d
Some Slavic languages apparently also have distinct masculine and feminine versions of verbs, which match the speaker if in the first person. Apparently so does Icelandic (to the point where an Icelandic modernist novel was titled “When I Got Pregnant”, though in the masculine form)
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 205d
Yes and Romance languages of adjectives, not really what OP asked about tho… 😉
Aqarius@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
That's basically every Indo-European language except English.
porcoesphino@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 204d
I think that's adjectives not verbs but then the language in my post may have only been nouns
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 206d
That is a profoundly satisfactory answer, opens up a whole new rabbit hole
FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website · 44 pts · 206d
In Japanese there is speech coded predominantly male and female. This includes word choices and some grammatical ones as well.
Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 205d
Any men seeking to learn Japanese from their local girlfriend, be warned: you will sound a bit gay to everyone for awhile. Fortunately, this is common enough that most Japanese won't razz you for it
MrJameGumb@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
I took Japanese in college and I didn't realize until I started talking to actual Japanese people that the classes were teaching me the girliest princess honorifics possible lol
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 3 pts · 205d
This happens in English as well.
At one point, there was an online tool that could determine if a writing sample was done by a man or a woman, and it was 95% accurate. This was the pre-LLM days, so it was a fairly simple script, just comparing word choices and grammar.
FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website · 5 pts · 205d
I would say in English you need a tool to analyze the text; in Japanese your ears can do this job.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 3 pts · 205d
Those aren't really accents. In many Slavic languages, the declination of verbs is gender-specific in the past tense and conditionals. The form is -l for masculine and -la for feminine. You can pronounce it -lǝ (emphasize the schwa that comes at the end of -l) to be vague about it, use the -lo neutrum (dehumanizing), or, to also sound sassy, one of the plural forms -li (default), -ly (all female or neutral, pronounced the same as -li) or -la (all neutral). Yeah, no good gender-neutral options yet.
Aqarius@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
That's just grammatical gender, something like half of all languages has some form of it.
RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 206d
Puerto Rican Spanish, the men speak a more 'street' less formal dialect, while women speak a more formal dialect. Heavily influenced by music.
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 205d
Like these guys?
RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
No, not the right country or the right stereotype. Like men might shorten 'muchacho' to 'chacho' while women would be saying 'muchacha.'
Nemo@slrpnk.net · 15 pts · 206d
I am told that in the movie Dances with Wolves, all the language consultants were women, and as a result all the characters speak with a noticable "women's accent" that is very noticablevto older Lakota viewers.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 206d
Thank you so much! I was worried this was a laughable idea but your comment shows it's quite a well documnted phenomenon
Bitflip@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 206d
Beverly Hills
CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 206d
Does this stem from the Valley Girl trend of the 80s?
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 206d
Right?? So i'm not just imagining it 😅
blarghly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 206d
Thats Where I Want To Be!
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 206d
One of the many debated claims about Pirahã is that female speakers can’t use the phoneme /h/, always substituting /s/ instead.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 205d
California. In the 90s, women started up-talking, that fucking annoying habit of saying everything as if it were a question.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 3 pts · 204d
Valley Girl vs Surfer Guy
MrJameGumb@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
I get calls at work from people who talk like that and it drives me fucking crazy lol
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 205d
Maybe the US to some extent because of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_fry_register
Lokoschade@feddit.org · 3 pts · 205d
Interesting video on the topic https://youtu.be/Q0yL2GezneU
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
I love the clip from "Louder Milk" that they use. I would've thought it was enough to nip the epidemic in the bud, embarassing all vocal deep-friers into working on themselves.
khannie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 205d
Fascinating stuff.
Kenny2999@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 205d
Kashyyk probably
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 205d
Look like a black Wookiee when he let his beard grow
Weirdo, brown skinned-ed, always kept his hair low
Rumors has it it's a S-Curl accident
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 205d
There are a bunch of cultures where a ‘sacred language’ is permitted only for men, or there are distinct languages used by only men and only women. Unfortunately, my memory isn't so good as to remember what those languages are. A quick search shows that the Kallawaya language is a ‘secret language’ passed down usually from father to son, and to daughters only if a man has no sons.
Check out ‘Gender role in language’ and the topic of genderlects; Gender differences in Japanese; Nüshu script.
You could also try looking through above-mentioned sacred languages and ritual languages for whether it's mentioned that any of them are specific to a gender.
JustTesting@lemmy.hogru.ch · 4 pts · 205d
Thai has some different words and accents used by male and female speakers. best source i could find with a quick search though i'd have liked a more detailed one.
ada@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 206d
All of them?
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 206d
I think OP means a notable difference in accent between men and women of a given region.
GreenBeard@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 206d
I mean, again, most if not all of them. Almost every language there's slight variations in pronunciation, intonation, vocabulary and pacing between men and women that would otherwise qualify as a "different accent." It's more pronounced in some regions and dialects, but most of them have "male" and "female" variations.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 206d
Can you give an example? People have different idiolects but slight changes in intonation aren't usually enough to make an accent of one type distinct from others in that type. Like not everyone with the General American accent sounds exactly the same but you can still say this group is GenAm, this other one is Appalachian, etc.
ada@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 206d
Yeah, that's what I meant too. Men and women almost universally have different vocal patterns though, even when they ostensibly have the same accent.
Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 206d
The vocal creak affect is pretty much unique to English speaking females.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 205d
People made up getting upset at vocal fry so they could complain about women
https://youtu.be/JTslqcXsFd4?t=311
VinesNFluff@pawb.social · 2 pts · 204d
They're a subsect of sociolects known as genderlects.
Not common, but they exist.
ytg@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 204d
Yes, but it’s usually very subtle (e.g. in realizations of single phonemes or in intonation). There are also more extreme cases which other commenters have pointed out.
I recommend you look up sociolects and sociolinguistics.