Multiple US embassies are telling Americans they cannot evacuate or help them get out of the Middle East
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-embassies-say-they-cannot-evacuate-americans-middle-east-iran2026-3
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HeyJoe@lemmy.world · 145 pts · 199d
US didnt think or care about our own people when "planning" this? Shocking.
I do hope they find a way out...
kmartburrito@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 199d
Not a part of the leadership's plan. Now if we were made of crude oil, we'd be carefully extracted.
madeinthebackseat@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 199d
I would assume it's part of the plan.
Getting Americans killed can be turned into maga propaganda quite easily. It's not like the cult members are going to blame Trump.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 198d
They are desperate for an “incident” powerful enough to let them get away with anything, including a coup. They are literally running Mossad’s 10/7 strategy.
BremboTheFourth@piefed.ca · 20 pts · 199d
The impression I've been getting is that there wasn't any time to make a plan anyway. I mean, even if there had been time, I doubt this group of geniuses would have been able to put together anything coherent , but it seems to me as though US negotiators were getting close to a good peace deal, Israel got wind of it, decided to literally bomb it, and this admin is too fascist and spineless to refuse to follow Israel into a war of aggression.
So, yeah, not that there would have been a good plan anyway, but I think this was almost as much of a surprise to the admin as it was to the rest of us.
kofe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
BuT hEr EmAiLs
crusa187@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 199d
To be fair, Israel fired the first shots when they learned about a gathering of high profile diplomats who could all be murdered together. They did the schoolgirls at the same time just because that’s how Israelis roll.
It seems like the US didn’t anticipate things popping off at this somewhat earlier than expected juncture. But also, that US leadership doesn’t really give a shit how many American lives are lost fighting Israel’s wars for them, so there’s that too.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 199d
They probably thought there's only one guy that can order the retaliation and killing him will end the conflict and… Yea, no, they thought they were playing CoD. Who cares when NPCs dies anyway?
evenglow@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 199d
They did. They just don't care.
Remember Benghazi?
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 83 pts · 199d
Maybe I'm showing my ignorance here, but isn't that like one of their major responsibilities?
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 61 pts · 199d
US Embassies exist to protect the *people of the US in foreign settings.
*people as defined by Citizens United v. FEC (2010)
Numinous_Ylem@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 199d
Corpos only
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 199d
"Corporations are people too, my friend." - Mitt Romney
MartianRecon@lemmus.org · 60 pts · 199d
I lived in Saudi Arabia pre 9-11, and when Sadaam was getting Scudsy, they had people come from the embassy that gave my parents a card with instructions on what to do if there was a war. Part of that was a phone number where they could call anywhere in the country, and if you couldn't follow the instructions they'd send someone to collect you.
Man this is fucking pathetic seeing our government this fucking incompetent.
myrmidex@belgae.social · 31 pts · 199d
If competent people in so many departments got purged, can we still call this incompetent? I think it's about time we move over to malice.
MartianRecon@lemmus.org · 15 pts · 199d
I 1000% believe that it's malice, unfortunately.
daychilde@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
Malice would be if they could do the jobs but refused. Incompetence stems from malicious removals, but it is incompetence because the people working are, in fact, incapable of doing the job.
nathanjent@programming.dev · 2 pts · 198d
This is the result of eliminating those not loyal to Trump. Unfortunately incompetence and blind loyalty are closely related traits.
BigPotato@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
State department can't always evacuate everyone. Can't spend the big bucks doing an extraction on every American because one building got hit. When the region was getting hot in 2021, state department had like five five-seater jump planes in the area to do everything.
Now you've got hundreds of people getting squirrelly and demanding a flight now when the airspace is not looking great.
MartianRecon@lemmus.org · 5 pts · 199d
There's other ways to evac people than just planes. I was just a kid when my story above happened. But my dad asked that very thing 'is it safe to fly if there's scuds in the air?' and they said that had multiple ways to get people to safety.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 18 pts · 199d
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 16 pts · 199d
Ransoming countrymen of the represented country is literally one of the oldest diplomatic functions on earth and is a big part of why embassies were established in the first place.
Your own source literally defines the term "diplomatic mission" as:
So no, looking after the citizens of the represented country is NOT "secondary to the diplomatic mission" it IS the diplomatic mission.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 199d
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 4 pts · 199d
Shame that's not what you said when I replied to you and then repeated several times in the course of this discussion.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 199d
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 199d
Except that for Americans specifically, relying on the embassy for support and evacuation when a regional crisis arises has been a safe bet for nearly 100 years.
Certainly in the post-WWII era, if you followed the advice of the state department on not traveling to really dangerous places, and didn’t do something to get yourself into trouble (like getting involved in crimes), the US would use considerable resources to ensure an American citizen’s safe passage home. In fact, the hostility to Iran has some basis in the fact that Iran took over the American embassy during the revolution in 1978 and held the personnel hostage, a pretty blatant rejection of standard diplomatic norms. From a legal standpoint that was effectively an invasion of the US because an embassy is sovereign territory.
So regardless of your wording, this represents a pretty basic shift away from previous norms, especially given that the crisis people are fleeing is entirely a creation of the US government.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 199d
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 199d
I said one of.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 199d
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 199d
Got it. Fair enough.
Zink@programming.dev · 42 pts · 199d
Trapped Americans getting whoopsie-killed as shit all over the place gets blown up? That sounds like a great justification for throwing more money and lives at attacking the Epstein Files-- I mean, Iran.
Honestly I would be more surprised if it were simply a gutted and incompetent goverment, rather than intentional.
ilickfrogs@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 199d
Them files gotta be a whole lot fucking worse than we think given the lengths they're going to distract people.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 199d
Look at the years that were witheld...
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 199d
Do you happen to know the source for that infographic? I'd like to look deeper myself: 1999-2001 have Trump written all over them, even if only by inference, given the admitted dates of their "friendship" (if it ever ended at all).
ilickfrogs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
Yeah I've deliberately put off fact checking and repeating that to be quite honest. The murmurs of the Internet were finally starting to unify against the rich. And to shut us up a possible runaway war was started. Everything is truly fucked.
NannerBanner@literature.cafe · 6 pts · 198d
The files are videos, apparently. Some folks around here keep posting the very large size of the seized trove, and it is a little shocking to think there would be that many .pdf files adding up to the total.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 199d
CORRECTION: US embassies in Jerusalem and Qatar issues statements on Tuesday saying they have CHOSEN NOT TO HELP Americans leave the Middle East.
Triumph@fedia.io · 27 pts · 199d
Can'tWon'tMrkawfee@feddit.uk · 14 pts · 199d
They're too busy helping israel, soz.
Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus · 14 pts · 199d
AllToRuleThemOne@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 198d
No one is left behind 🤡
the_armchair_potato@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 199d
😆😅🤣!!!
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 198d
This regime probably thinks you don't deserve help if you chose to leave the Untied States
Doorbook@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 198d
They adminstration that left people in Afghanistan dealing of the worst withdrawal of all time, happy to support a genocide, launching an illegal war, killing and imprisoning its own citizens and run by a pedo rapist will never care about anyone.
how_we_burned@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 198d
The administration doesn't care about the US citizens in the middle east because they're, predominantly, people of various ethnicities (for the racists, coz they're "brown").
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 199d
Could not or would not
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 199d
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 199d
What were they doing in a war zone?
daychilde@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 199d
It wasn't a war zone until we attacked Iran…
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 199d
Not a student of history, are we?
daychilde@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 199d
BigPotato@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
Okay, rephrasing it then "What are Americans doing in near proximity to a place that has been a war zone for more than 20 years due to US intervention in the region?" and the answer is "Either profiting off of US oil interests or propping up the tourism industry of US interested parties."
daychilde@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 199d
Do you think every place in the Middle East is at war? Dude, that's like saying every place in Africa is in poverty and starving. It's a big place.
And what about all the tourists propping up the US with tourism dollars, supporting a warmonger country? If you want to play Silly Buggers about the whole thing…
Burninator05@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 199d
I think it's usually people with dual citizenship and Qatar wasnt a war zone until we made it that way.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 198d
They can't even be bothered to take care of Americans at home. Why would they waste resources on anyone living abroad?
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 199d
If you voted for the bumbling pedo criminal and have front row seats for his piss poor planned shitshow, zero sympathy. I hope the water treatment plants fail during your visit.