It's about time. Since the icelandic people are so dependent on fishing, I would even be fine with it, if they got some kind of special deal that protects their domestic fishing waters.
Said it once I‘ll say it again: A referendum is a really bad idea for a representative democracy in times of fake news and large misinformation campaigns. The far right loves referendums because it‘s easier to manipulate the masses around a single issue in a short period of time. And that‘s exactly why you should be suspicious of them.
I have expressed it once and shall repeat it again: a referendum is an atrocious idea in times of the printing press and foreign influence crusades. The royalists fancy plebiscites for it allows them to mislead the common folk into expressing the existence of the monarchy as "will of the people". And that's exactly why they shall not be trusted.
I get your point but this always has been the case. Misinformation was made into an art during WWII and hasn't gone since. Haven't we had any democratic decisions since?
The point is that we need to kill the misinformation, not referendums
And how else do you expect iceland to join when the eu requires a referendum to be had in the joinimg country? Also iceland(from what i know) has a muuuuch smaller faschism problem than most other countries in the world
In Scandianvia there is more democracy and citizens has responsobility and they thunk. This is very important question and it removes some soverianity, so ti should be asked. The same was in Lithuania and I am proud of the way it was done. Because if parlament would decide on its own - peaple would think country was stolen from them
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stoicEuropean@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 173d
It's about time. Since the icelandic people are so dependent on fishing, I would even be fine with it, if they got some kind of special deal that protects their domestic fishing waters.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 19 pts · 173d
Given that their main fishing rival, the UK, is no longer in the EU, it should hopefully be easier.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 11 pts · 173d
The UK never really relied much on fishing. We'd rather sell most of our quota to Spain and then whine about the Spanish "stealing" "our" fish...
comrade_twisty@feddit.org · 12 pts · 173d
Well, at least the EU is no longer stealing your NHS money and you have a well funded and amazing healthcare system now with next to no wait times.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 173d
You do understand the other guy hates Brexit right?
comrade_twisty@feddit.org · 6 pts · 173d
Of course I do, which is why I doubled down on his/her sentiment with my sarcastic post. I was merely making fun of Farage and the Brexiteers as well.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 172d
Ah, Poe's law innit
catdog@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 173d
I believe the trouble with special deals, is future resentment.
Melchior@feddit.org · 2 pts · 173d
Spain has caught more fish then the UK in 2022.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -4 pts · 173d
Nah fuck this. Gonna get fucked over by Fascy types
CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 173d
Said it once I‘ll say it again: A referendum is a really bad idea for a representative democracy in times of fake news and large misinformation campaigns. The far right loves referendums because it‘s easier to manipulate the masses around a single issue in a short period of time. And that‘s exactly why you should be suspicious of them.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 15 pts · 173d
The same can be said for democracy in general. Disinformation is carbon monoxide in the bloodstream of civil society, and LLMs (“AI”) accelerate it.
nucleative@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 173d
Are there any reliable sources that LLMs accelerated disinformation? Naturally I'm on the lookout for disinformation.
belluck@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 173d
First three (and more) results when searching for „AI effect on disinformation“ are studies on the topic.
BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info · 14 pts · 173d
I have expressed it once and shall repeat it again: a referendum is an atrocious idea in times of the printing press and foreign influence crusades. The royalists fancy plebiscites for it allows them to mislead the common folk into expressing the existence of the monarchy as "will of the people". And that's exactly why they shall not be trusted.
Oh sorry this is /c/Europe, not /c/YUROP
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 173d
I get your point but this always has been the case. Misinformation was made into an art during WWII and hasn't gone since. Haven't we had any democratic decisions since?
The point is that we need to kill the misinformation, not referendums
amorangi@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 172d
While that is true, if your democracy allows lobbying or political "donations" the legislature can just as easily be influenced.
TheFrirish@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 11 pts · 173d
Please come joins us. EU can preserve your fishing waters.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -6 pts · 173d
For fuck sake
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 173d
?
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -3 pts · 173d
What's not to get. I'm disappointed.
It's gonna get twisted by fascy types through misinformation and advertising so the vote ends up "don't join EU"
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 173d
And how else do you expect iceland to join when the eu requires a referendum to be had in the joinimg country? Also iceland(from what i know) has a muuuuch smaller faschism problem than most other countries in the world
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 172d
the EU don't require a referendum? Never have, probably won't in future either.
They don't particularly care how it gets decided as long as the request to join is officially recognised by the government of the country.
Some joined by unilateral decision by Party Voting (internal voting of the leading party)
Some joined by request of their allies
Some joined when the country reunified (East and West Germany)
Some joined by their Legal Court putting the motion into a Bill which was voted on by their Parliament
zordsdavini@group.lt · 2 pts · 169d
In Scandianvia there is more democracy and citizens has responsobility and they thunk. This is very important question and it removes some soverianity, so ti should be asked. The same was in Lithuania and I am proud of the way it was done. Because if parlament would decide on its own - peaple would think country was stolen from them
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 169d
Yeah on second thought I do trust Iceland to not fall for lies
zordsdavini@group.lt · 1 pts · 167d
Maybe ruZZians will not win here