Time to start looking up every white-ass right-wing voter in the state that has a second home or spends early November out of state this year and challenge their registration 91 days before the 2028 election.
REAL-ID is a new-ish standard required to obtain a driver's license or personal ID. It requires more documentation than was previously required. Native American IDs are real, but REAL-ID is not related.
Not proper but it scans as "wait till", as "til", "till", and "until" are interchangeable in common English, "till" being a somewhat archaic but still often used version.
The preposition till is ubiquitous in informal register of modern English; nonetheless, in formal register it is often replaced with until or to, except in some varieties, such as Indian English. This predisposition is likely influenced by the widespread misapprehension that till is a clipping of until, which it is not (until being an enhanced form of till). The spelling 'til, itself also deprecated by some writers, was born of that same misapprehension.
Til/Till is used quite a bit below the Mason Dixon line on the Eastern coast of the US, often related to time. Wait'll is super prevalent there in speech.
That would be hilarious. Just start challenging anyone and everyone with a MAGAt sticker just before the election and lock them all down in pointless bureaucracy of proving their citizenship
Liberals love to pretend the law is self-enforcing and refuse to ask what role the state's deeply racist and violent state bureaucrats, or the police and sheriff's offices (nevermind any ICE agents operating in the state) will play.
The article doesn't say how South Dakota county auditors are chosen, how they make decisions or what scrutiny they are subject to but I'm not sure I like your chances here
It doesn't matter. If 50 people challenge every voter in the state, that's almost 50m reports that need sorted. Ideally, there will be enough outrage that thousands of people will be reporting. Also, manually reporting without using an API to create a denial of service would be the best tactic. The point is to display how insipid the process is, not to cause a denial of service attack.
In the worst case, maybe they could simply disallow manual reports, and automate the selection of reports that match their desired outcomes, and the silent discard of all others.
Not being from the US, I was flabbergasted when I learned how voting laws are working there. Where I live we're all automatically registered by the government. They send a card with your name and your address. If there is an error, or if people don't get a card, they can manually register or correct the error. And we all stay registered unless we move or there is an error. That's it.
I'm in my mid life and had to register once in my 20ies because I moved a lot. Otherwise the government just automatically registers me. Nobody can challenge that except the election's office. They decide who meets the requirements to vote or not. Not some random conservative asshole that thinks people are not white enough. Democracy in the US seems like a joke.
In Canada we have the same thing. You can every year when filling taxes tick off a box to update your voter info to save you the work. You also can register at the voting booth with ID, or proof of residence, or the statement of a registered voter in the area willing to vouch for you.
Basically zero voter fraud.
Voter ID and registration laws are pure voter suppression!
Voter ID and registration laws are pure voter suppression!
Indeed. I'm in Canada too so that's why this is familiar to you. As an anecdote, I don't drive and have no license. Once, a long time ago, an election worker was kind of insisting that I had to show one to vote. I had the other required documents and was able to vote but not having a diver's license apparently made them suspicious. And that was my biggest hurdle with providing ID at an election!
Lots of comments can be read about people not going to vote, some even blaming them for the election results, but it's just incredible how difficult they seem to make voting in the US.
I get 'no passport' because Flatlanders especially don't travel. I get 'no DL' because city rats don't drive. No health card?!? I've had a health number since birth, and it's been my gov id forever.
So when they receive a complaint about every non-Republican voter, are they going to say that there is a 2 year backlog on paperwork, so these people will have to skip this election?
If I lived there then this is what I’d do. Challenge every single person who shows up to vote. After all, how can I personally know they are allowed to vote if they don’t prove it to ME?
it sucks because there are parts (state parks and county roads, and anywhere there's good food mostly) that i absolutely love, but i would gamble it for life in one of the countries my ancestors comes from that has decided to open immigration up in a second. i just have to convince my wife and scrounge up the money.
State parks that now hand you a fucking glamour shot of a pedophile as a ticket and bar you from defacing it while that selfsame pedophile sells the oiliest parts of said nature to the highest bidder.
Conservatives clearly hate our Constitution. So why don't they secede? Seems like something they'd be into. They even whine about it from time to time.
The answer is because their failing red states require our blue states to exist.
This is an abusive relationship and it's high time we end it. We do not need them. They need us.
If the all agree to move to Texas and give up nukes I will happily let it go and form its own country. I also wont try to help them if they invade Mexico/lose/and the Mexicans take it back.
"John Smith"? Doesn't sound like a local name to me! Yeah don't bother with the Dakota people ancestry either. They aint from around here. Oh you claim the land belongs to Paleoindian people called 'Ugluk' or 'Kroar'? Well fuck off, glyptodonts should rule this place.
So political donations are often open even small donations you can use that and social media to find the majority of magas in the state. One of the most obvious disqualifying criteria is voting in another state or being dead names being pretty non-unique you can find someone who died or votes in another state with the same name for most people. If you automate this you can probably legally file a challenge for literally every Trump voter in your county.
If you make this automation available you can probably with a little help from your friends (thank you joe cocker) file a challenge for every Trump voter in the entire state.
I'm betting this wouldn't actually disenfranchise anyone though because the system would simply collapse under hundreds of thousands of challenges.
State law already allows challenges to a voter’s registration up to the 90th day before an election, if a person is suspected of lacking South Dakota residency, voting in another state or being registered to vote in another state. The new law adds citizenship as a justification for a challenge.
Challenges may be filed by the South Dakota Secretary of State’s Office, the auditor in the county where the voter is registered, or a voter in the same county. The challenge must be in the form of a signed, sworn statement and must include what the law describes as “documented evidence.”
So the "challenge" this already exists but citizenship is being added as another reason. I wonder what the requirements for evidence are or if some county officials will call the sworn statement itself "documented evidence."
How on earth are other voters supposed to have or get evidence of other voters citizenship? Challenges filed by actual elected officials may still be corrupt attempts to suppress the vote by challenging without reason but at least its a limited pool of people who are actually accountable to the people. Allowing any yahoo to challenge all the brown people in the county opens the door to a flood of nonsense.
In theory it could be contained by the actual officials that should throw out nonsense but nothing is stopping them using chatGPT to mass produce "evidence" that passes a minimum smell test of looking like real evidence. For instance names are VERY non-unique find every record of registration in any state which matches an ethnic name in your county submit one challenge per name and challenge half the brown people in your county because again names are NOT very unique.
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EvilBit@lemmy.world · 225 pts · 191d
Time to start looking up every white-ass right-wing voter in the state that has a second home or spends early November out of state this year and challenge their registration 91 days before the 2028 election.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 61 pts · 191d
wait'll white people start claiming indigenous people aren't citizens.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 103 pts · 191d
You’re too late. ICE has already arrested people with Native American IDs, claiming they are invalid.
Burninator05@lemmy.world · 63 pts · 191d
ICE has arrested people with valid REAL-IDs claiming they aren't real. They'll do whatever they want to whoever they want.
Kraiden@piefed.social · 17 pts · 191d
Are Native American IDs not real?
ETA: Reading this back, it looks really pas-ag. Not American, the question is sincere. I've never heard of Native American IDs
sudo@lemmy.today · 26 pts · 191d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act
Kraiden@piefed.social · 17 pts · 191d
Oh right! Ok, the comment makes more sense now. Thanks
Drusas@fedia.io · 17 pts · 191d
REAL-ID is a new-ish standard required to obtain a driver's license or personal ID. It requires more documentation than was previously required. Native American IDs are real, but REAL-ID is not related.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 191d
You're a little late https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_v._Wilkins
FreshLight@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 191d
Just out of curiosity: What do you think 'll is the contraction of?
rumba@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 191d
Not proper but it scans as "wait till", as "til", "till", and "until" are interchangeable in common English, "till" being a somewhat archaic but still often used version.
RobotToaster@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 191d
Interesting
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/till
TronBronson@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 191d
It’s a fairly common. I think YingYang Twins used it in a popular song. “Wait’ll you see this dick”
rumba@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 191d
Til/Till is used quite a bit below the Mason Dixon line on the Eastern coast of the US, often related to time. Wait'll is super prevalent there in speech.
Drusas@fedia.io · 2 pts · 190d
It's used pretty widely throughout the country in my experience.
kboos1@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 191d
That would be hilarious. Just start challenging anyone and everyone with a MAGAt sticker just before the election and lock them all down in pointless bureaucracy of proving their citizenship
EvilBit@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 191d
It says you need some kind of documented evidence but I’m sure that’s pretty easy to gin up for a lot of people.
Inucune@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 191d
AI go brrrr...
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 191d
Liberals love to pretend the law is self-enforcing and refuse to ask what role the state's deeply racist and violent state bureaucrats, or the police and sheriff's offices (nevermind any ICE agents operating in the state) will play.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Eye_(United_States)
Incidentally, Supreme Court Justice William Renquist started his career as a poll-watcher in Arizona, screening out any who looked too Democrat.
RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 191d
flooding the office is the only way to deal with these things
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 191d
We can "flood the zone", too.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 21 pts · 191d
Real chaotic good energy. I dig it!
EvilBit@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 191d
I try. The world needs more chaotic good.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 191d
The article doesn't say how South Dakota county auditors are chosen, how they make decisions or what scrutiny they are subject to but I'm not sure I like your chances here
SpikesOtherDog@ani.social · 4 pts · 191d
It doesn't matter. If 50 people challenge every voter in the state, that's almost 50m reports that need sorted. Ideally, there will be enough outrage that thousands of people will be reporting. Also, manually reporting without using an API to create a denial of service would be the best tactic. The point is to display how insipid the process is, not to cause a denial of service attack.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 190d
In the worst case, maybe they could simply disallow manual reports, and automate the selection of reports that match their desired outcomes, and the silent discard of all others.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 191d
Do it. Let me know if I can help.
Don't limit it to those that spend time out of state. It's not your job to be accurate. I assume everyone travels.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 107 pts · 191d
So they added pvp to voting
RobotToaster@mander.xyz · 85 pts · 191d
It would be a terrible shame if a bunch of people started challenging Larry's citizenship.
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 191d
"Rhoden"!?!
Sounds like a foreigner to me!
moondoggie@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 191d
He’s obviously a very large monster from Japan. I’m thinking some kind of kaiju mosquito. Dibs on the band name
pedz@lemmy.ca · 75 pts · 191d
Not being from the US, I was flabbergasted when I learned how voting laws are working there. Where I live we're all automatically registered by the government. They send a card with your name and your address. If there is an error, or if people don't get a card, they can manually register or correct the error. And we all stay registered unless we move or there is an error. That's it.
I'm in my mid life and had to register once in my 20ies because I moved a lot. Otherwise the government just automatically registers me. Nobody can challenge that except the election's office. They decide who meets the requirements to vote or not. Not some random conservative asshole that thinks people are not white enough. Democracy in the US seems like a joke.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 191d
It isn't a joke. Jokes are funny. This isn't funny. If hasn't been funny, ever.
hector@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 191d
It's funny to them.
Hacksaw@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 191d
In Canada we have the same thing. You can every year when filling taxes tick off a box to update your voter info to save you the work. You also can register at the voting booth with ID, or proof of residence, or the statement of a registered voter in the area willing to vouch for you.
Basically zero voter fraud.
Voter ID and registration laws are pure voter suppression!
pedz@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 191d
Indeed. I'm in Canada too so that's why this is familiar to you. As an anecdote, I don't drive and have no license. Once, a long time ago, an election worker was kind of insisting that I had to show one to vote. I had the other required documents and was able to vote but not having a diver's license apparently made them suspicious. And that was my biggest hurdle with providing ID at an election!
Lots of comments can be read about people not going to vote, some even blaming them for the election results, but it's just incredible how difficult they seem to make voting in the US.
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 190d
https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e
You can literally show up buck naked and have your next door neighbour vouch for you.
If anyone is prevented from voting, they should make a report regardless of if they think it was right or not.
Look at that list of acceptance ID, literally a pill bottle and your work issued ID will count as two pieces.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 190d
In Canada, though, everyone has Some form of gov ID, if even just a health card (from the gov, With your pic and address).
Many, many Americans don't have ID.
Also. "Real ID" is another animal, not produced in all regions, barely usable, a mess. If they're demanding "real ID" the challenges will be exciting.
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 190d
No not really, a bunch of us Canadians don't have ID and there are alternate criteria to register
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 190d
Okay. Now I'm agape.
No health card? How do you get broken arms fixed?
I get 'no passport' because Flatlanders especially don't travel. I get 'no DL' because city rats don't drive. No health card?!? I've had a health number since birth, and it's been my gov id forever.
Honestly: how can that be?
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 190d
You can go to the ER without documents, you would just need to sort out the bills later
There are a bunch of reasons someone might lose access to their documents, that shouldn't interfere with their right to vote.
you_are_dust@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 190d
We don't do "efficiency" round these parts.
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 36 pts · 191d
So when they receive a complaint about every non-Republican voter, are they going to say that there is a 2 year backlog on paperwork, so these people will have to skip this election?
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 191d
Start challenging the Republican voters, then.
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 191d
If I lived there then this is what I’d do. Challenge every single person who shows up to vote. After all, how can I personally know they are allowed to vote if they don’t prove it to ME?
KeenFlame@feddit.nu · 35 pts · 191d
Nope, that is not democracy
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 32 pts · 191d
I fucking hate my country now
Ellvix@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 191d
I mean, you hated it before, but you hate it now too
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 191d
it sucks because there are parts (state parks and county roads, and anywhere there's good food mostly) that i absolutely love, but i would gamble it for life in one of the countries my ancestors comes from that has decided to open immigration up in a second. i just have to convince my wife and scrounge up the money.
EvilBit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 191d
State parks that now hand you a fucking glamour shot of a pedophile as a ticket and bar you from defacing it while that selfsame pedophile sells the oiliest parts of said nature to the highest bidder.
grimpy@lemmy.myserv.one · 32 pts · 191d
South Dakota? Home of Kristi Noem? UNBELIEVABLE!!!
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 27 pts · 191d
Probably the most not-the-onion headline I've ever read. My brain keeps trying to illustrate it as comedy to explain it to myself in my mind.
My brain's conclusion?
Jesus fucking Christ, I'm so tired.
SpicyLizards@reddthat.com · 26 pts · 191d
She's a witch!
perishthethought@piefed.social · 8 pts · 191d
Who are you who is so knowledgeable in the ways of science?
SpicyLizards@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 191d
My god, burn me!!
GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 191d
“How could this go wrong?” Said absolutely no one.
foggy@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 191d
Soooo...every reservation gonna challenge every South Dakotane citizenship?
God I hope so.
BigTrout75@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 191d
How else are you going to legally bully and intimidate voters?
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 190d
Conservatives clearly hate our Constitution. So why don't they secede? Seems like something they'd be into. They even whine about it from time to time.
The answer is because their failing red states require our blue states to exist.
This is an abusive relationship and it's high time we end it. We do not need them. They need us.
DaBPunkt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 189d
They tried once but it did not work out 😉
michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 189d
If the all agree to move to Texas and give up nukes I will happily let it go and form its own country. I also wont try to help them if they invade Mexico/lose/and the Mexicans take it back.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 191d
gonna be shocked when all the people challenged aren't white while all the people challenging are.
AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 191d
Good now challenge citizenship of all white ppl
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 191d
GO BACK TO EUROPE YOU PALE, TERRITORIAL CHEESEWHEATS
edited to add specificity
drolex@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 191d
"John Smith"? Doesn't sound like a local name to me! Yeah don't bother with the Dakota people ancestry either. They aint from around here. Oh you claim the land belongs to Paleoindian people called 'Ugluk' or 'Kroar'? Well fuck off, glyptodonts should rule this place.
SpikesOtherDog@ani.social · 7 pts · 191d
EZPZ.
Find red districts.
Cross reference with public address information.
Automate the challenge process.
Bwaz@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 190d
Oh, that could be fun. After voting, myself, I'd form a line of like minded folks to pick out likely MAGAS and challenge each multiple times.
Jumbie@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 189d
This is the correct response to fuckery.
skozzii@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 189d
Make sure you misgender them when addressing them, they love that.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 189d
So political donations are often open even small donations you can use that and social media to find the majority of magas in the state. One of the most obvious disqualifying criteria is voting in another state or being dead names being pretty non-unique you can find someone who died or votes in another state with the same name for most people. If you automate this you can probably legally file a challenge for literally every Trump voter in your county.
If you make this automation available you can probably with a little help from your friends (thank you joe cocker) file a challenge for every Trump voter in the entire state.
I'm betting this wouldn't actually disenfranchise anyone though because the system would simply collapse under hundreds of thousands of challenges.
villainy@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 191d
So the "challenge" this already exists but citizenship is being added as another reason. I wonder what the requirements for evidence are or if some county officials will call the sworn statement itself "documented evidence."
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 191d
There's a New South Dakota?
grimpy@lemmy.myserv.one · 6 pts · 191d
Reunite the Dakotas!
5too@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 189d
Start with the elected officials who passed this, and their local donors!
I'm assuming each challenge needs resolved separately, right?
solidheron@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 189d
I'd probably go after their family members too
5too@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 189d
Crossed my mind, but felt a little too close to what they'd do.
Figured going after their money sources with this might be more effective for them, anyway
5oap10116@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 191d
So are there any pro-boner lawyers looking to challenge as many white people as they can?
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 190d
At this rate, we will have duels to the death between the Blues and Reds.
putitoutwithyourbootsted@piefed.social · 1 pts · 189d
What could go wrong?
michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 189d
How on earth are other voters supposed to have or get evidence of other voters citizenship? Challenges filed by actual elected officials may still be corrupt attempts to suppress the vote by challenging without reason but at least its a limited pool of people who are actually accountable to the people. Allowing any yahoo to challenge all the brown people in the county opens the door to a flood of nonsense.
In theory it could be contained by the actual officials that should throw out nonsense but nothing is stopping them using chatGPT to mass produce "evidence" that passes a minimum smell test of looking like real evidence. For instance names are VERY non-unique find every record of registration in any state which matches an ethnic name in your county submit one challenge per name and challenge half the brown people in your county because again names are NOT very unique.
Jumbie@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 189d
This happened across multiple states last election. So many votes were lost because of “challenges.”