i actually switched from cachy to arch because when kde plasma 6.6 released it wouldn't let me past the login screen (i'd log in, it'd start loading and freeze the system)
i used a snapshot to roll back the update and waited for plasma 6.6.1, where instead of freezing it'd just restart. then 6.6.2 released with the same issue as 6.6.0 so i just gave up and installed arch
btw, i still havent figured out limine+snapper configuration yet
This is a kind of bullshit troubles what I am talking about. And they can arrive when you are in hurry and really need your computer. In my opinion, Arch is just for tinkering fun and ego boosting.
Running Mint xfce on an N100 HTPC with couple of docker containers. I believe this is the most stable OS I ever used. Never breaks, updates are coming regularly. Easy to use for my wife who's never seen Linux in her entire life. Makes 0 hustle and barely consumes any resources. Kind of a "set it and forget it" setup. Fucking love it!
Mint's a solid choice, I used Mint as a primary or only distro for 10 years, and I've still got it on my laptop. But don't pigeonhole yourself trying to be not like the other girls. I've got Bazzite on my HTPC because Cinnamon is kind of ass at 10 feet, I've got Fedora KDE on my desktop for better Wayland support, and Fedora Gnome on a tablet because it's the only thing that remotely works as a touch-first OS that I could get to actually run on that tablet.
The machine I have it on is a Lenovo Duet 3i, which has a Pentium processor and either 4 or 8GB of RAM. I bought that machine specifically to use in my wood shop, I wanted a fanless machine that could run FreeCAD.
As a touch device, it's just this side of unusable. It likes to forget what orientation it was in when waking up from sleep, and doesn't like to correctly find out while waking up. Gnome will sort of mostly function with gestures and larger touch buttons, most apps are still designed very strictly for mouse and keyboard. The onscreen keyboard isn't fantastic. I can confirm that Windows Vista had a better tablet experience than present day Fedora Gnome. But it functions.
I tried Fedora KDE, and trying to get Fedora KDE to be a tablet OS was a fool's errand, the features aren't even half-baked, they're on the counter waiting for the oven to preheat. Fedora offers a KDE Touch image which I found runs like boiled butt.
I have no experience with ARM tablets; this is on an x86 tablet (or one of those Surface knockoffs with the keyboard that pops off).
Im the guy who has to tell all the kids mint is run by volunteers who are not actually up to the task of running a secure OS. It's not as bad as manjaro but it is not good either. Please stop making this people's first distro, it's an ubuntu fork that hasn't needed to exist since spins came out.
Why? It's the cold hard truth. Mint was created as an Ubuntu alternative that would be prettier and appear more like windows. It has never had solid corprate backing or even pillars of the FOSS community working on it. It's a hobby project and not even a unique one anymore. Just use a fedora, buntu, debian or suse spin for new people.
The "cold hard truth" is that volunteers are more than up to stripping some the nonsense back off of ubuntu, and plenty of the people that made it good back in the day are involved with mint now. It's no one's favorite but this much hate for the beigest of distros is weird to me and your take on its origins is just plain wrong
No. They are not up to it. It's the #1 distro on Lemmy and it shouldn't be.
To be clear the only distro I hate is Manjaro, mint I only think about when people here remind me it's popular. Downvote away, your oppinion is meaningless.
I'm 100% in this camp, ive used Pop!_OS now for years and it's never given me any grief! One PC has had it installed for almost 6 years and it still runs flawlessly.
I've been on Garuda for years now, and despite choosing an Arch derivative, I have zero (0) desire to ever change any kind of config, and I will never understand the desire to do so. I need my PC to actually work.
Bruh if I could pay a modest yearly subscription to a company and get actual professional personal support for Linux and not have to roll the dice on snarky forum comments, I unironically would.
This. That's why I have stuck with Mint for almost a decade now. It's the perfect workhorse: it fits my workflow, is stable as heck, just quietly does what it needs to do and gets out of my way the rest of the time. Hence, I don't see why I should switch to anything else.
You, too, can become a 1337 h4xx0r with this one (1) simple trick: Read the manual!
Which is both definitely correct, but also profoundly unhelpful for newbies. But seriously, there is so much documentation, blog articles, video tutorials etc. for Linux, if you put in some effort everyone can go from newbie to hacker/programmer/gentoo user.
Last time I looked, the closest thing to a "manual" published by Linux Mint was mostly a manifesto about why they're not using various bits of Ubuntu. Sure the good old man command is still in there but Cinnamon is supposed to speak for itself.
True that, it's more relevant to commandline applications and whatever has a page in the Arch wiki (which is a great resource regardless of distro). Ubuntu itself does have extensive manuals, which are mostly still useful for Mint when they're not specifically about Ubuntu's default desktop environment.
Sounds like your issue was more the desktop environment than the distro itself. Did you ever try to install Plasma in it? Back when I used Mint, I actually used i3-wm for a while.
Tbh as an Arch (btw) user I'm not really some magic computer wizard, I struggle with basic python, I often forget command arguments (I take heavy advantage of fish but sometimes it doesn't know the arguments either), I don't know how to do much scripting, I don't make my own config files, and my de is cosmic. Remember that most advanced Linux users are less advanced than people think (occasionally less advanced than even they think).
You do have to install/setup a lot more stuff yourself, fwiw. That's probably largely what it is, that there's little that comes pre-baked. It's basically a build-a-distro toolkit.
I'd say most of that is just outdated opinions based on a time when archinstall wasn't yet included in the live ISO and using it was also more frowned upon and seen as a "cheat". Thankfully we mostly got over that second part.
Ha, this is basically me. Still wouldn't recommend rolling release to newbies, but my Linux knowledge is basic at best, and I've still used Arch for 8 years without many issues.
A few times per year I distrohop, but there's always small glitches in every distro I try, except for Debian. At least on my laptop, Debian just works.
Marduk I don't know why you chose your username but it is my favorite of all the Mesopotamian/Babylonian I forget gods so I love it when I see your name pop up. First prize! :3
Sure, arch has a steep learning curve, but in the long run easier to use than others since it has better documentation.
Since you're already doing a fresh install, might as well create the root partition as a BTRFS with opensuse-style subvolumes for easy snapshotting and rollback. And since you're so close might as well also add LUKS1 encryption across the partition, since TPM is untrustworthy for REAL security. You're going to be using a grub config with rd.luks params and a protected keyfile so you don't have to decrypt the partition twice per boot like some scrub, of course.
Of course, technically there is nothing wrong just a plain arch install as long you've devised a proper opsec strategy, alongside daily, weekly and monthly full-disk offsite encrypted backups!
And yes indeed, Arch linux is the distro that was ordained to me!
Arch forces you to learn about Linux internals and components. Most people don’t need to know these things to work productively with their computers. Arch is more of an „build your own OS“ toolkit than a well defined base operating system. Two Arch installs can be more wildly different to use than Fedora and Ubuntu. That’s why you need the mountains of documentation. Arch wiki is great, but it’s not perfect or correct. Lots of outdated info lingers there as well.
BTRFS with subvolumes is they way to go, I agree. Mint sadly still defaults to EXT4 with only an encrypted /home. I installed Mint recently and a modern partition setup like you describe was difficult to get working. I don’t even remember, what I ended up with.
security
The AUR is a security nightmare.
easy snapshotting and rollback
That‘s an area Mint is pretty weak in.
OpenSuSE
Makes fantastic distros, that more people should use.
The AUR is no more a security nightmare than Linux itself. Much of it is built by god knows who, and the fact that code is inspectable, doesn't mean it is.
At the end of the day for new and casual users, support wins. Ubuntu has the largest community of support, making Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu while having a more elegant variety of UI, making it a good compromise. Good choice.
And, importantly: the same applies to Windows. How many updates has Windows had that broke something essential with no user intervention?
Fact of the matter is any OS can break if you purposefully try to poke around without knowing what you're doing.
What distros that are more "resilient" to breaking do is either prevent you from easily/accidentally poking around, prevent you from applying updates willy-nilly, or set up easy rollbacks in case something breaks (or a combination of these).
Imo, if you're not a tinkerer and you have a distro with backups properly setup, you're very likely gonna be fine no matter what distro you choose.
Though Mint is still awesome and if you don't have any problems with it just keep using it.
Been using Pop_OS! For almost 4 years now. Now I have SteamOS on my deck, headless Linbuntu on my mini PC, and MacOS on my work machine. Still love coming back to pop, especially with the new Cosmic DE.
I mean yeah. This is going to be me as soon as I fix my next two one! life and death problems and hang the drapes, and also post a picture on here of the picture we found thrifting because i am excited that it helps color my room I don't care that it's a print of AI bullshit. I can put a print of something better there eventually but it catches the eye right now.
In the meantime, is there a "these are the cli commands you need to know" Linux for stoned dummies cause I haven't used it since college and that was decades ago
If you intend on using a normal desktop distro, you will usually be able to find the command for what you want to do online. You may not even end up typing any command, I remember someone who was hyped to use the terminal being disappointed that he never got to.
The "essential" cli commands are the ones that you will definitely not use in an everyday desktop life. It's going to be about file manipulation, maybe some daemon management and networking. All of this will be either preconfigured or done through a file explorer and web browser.
If you can say what you want to do and with what distro, maybe people can try to anticipate what you'll need? I would generally advise to wait for a reason to use a command before worrying about learning it.
Just remember that there is an emergency tty in the ctrl alt f1-7 somewhere. I never remember which one, so spam them until it appears, usually when I maxed my ram and have no swap
TeleTypeWriter? sorry, have some Deaf friends so that is the first thing that comes to mind
edit oh gods i've even had my coffee that's not even the same letter. this is the first time i have felt shame in... hold on i need to get a calendar. 22 years, 4 months, 23 days. oh gosh.
I think the main thing to keep in mind when doing any of these hacking games is permission. Do you have permission to do what you are doing? With overthewire they give you permission to do the challenges. If you were to try to go outside of what they say you can do, and try to pivot to another part of their system to hack, that'd be illegal.
If you're interested beyond cli stuff like otw/bandit has check out tryhackme.com They have a lot of fun beginner friendly stuff as well.
the game tells me i have permission, but do i really? for all i know i'm really hacking into a cia blacksite's third backup or something. i mean i'm not really that paranoid, but i can imagine what my qanon sovcit quiverfull brother would think it might be and go one worse, and then see if i can afford to lose that gamble y'know
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OpenStars@piefed.social · 162 pts · 160d
Little8Lost@lemmy.world · 79 pts · 160d
welcome in the cat friendly penguin group
33550336@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 160d
I have the Mint (it's fucking good) and no need nor ambition for any other system. Especially an elitist shit which break after an upgrade.
festnt@sh.itjust.works · 41 pts · 160d
haha imagine having to wait for an update to break your system (i use arch, and tried to config limine snapper sync)
33550336@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 160d
once had arch, once cachy os, in both the cases after few weeks something was broken after update (libreoffice, matlab)
never again
maccentric@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 160d
I had a Kubuntu install go south on me after an update and replaced it with Cachy and I’ve been really digging it so far.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 159d
I have been in Debianland for the last few years, and I'm also in Cachy right now. Not all wine and roses, but I'm also liking it.
festnt@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 159d
i actually switched from cachy to arch because when kde plasma 6.6 released it wouldn't let me past the login screen (i'd log in, it'd start loading and freeze the system)
i used a snapshot to roll back the update and waited for plasma 6.6.1, where instead of freezing it'd just restart. then 6.6.2 released with the same issue as 6.6.0 so i just gave up and installed arch
btw, i still havent figured out limine+snapper configuration yet
33550336@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 159d
This is a kind of bullshit troubles what I am talking about. And they can arrive when you are in hurry and really need your computer. In my opinion, Arch is just for tinkering fun and ego boosting.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 160d
I distro hopped for a week, and it was the little things that were dealbreakers.
I love Mint. Mint is love.
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 160d
Running Mint xfce on an N100 HTPC with couple of docker containers. I believe this is the most stable OS I ever used. Never breaks, updates are coming regularly. Easy to use for my wife who's never seen Linux in her entire life. Makes 0 hustle and barely consumes any resources. Kind of a "set it and forget it" setup. Fucking love it!
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 160d
Mint's a solid choice, I used Mint as a primary or only distro for 10 years, and I've still got it on my laptop. But don't pigeonhole yourself trying to be not like the other girls. I've got Bazzite on my HTPC because Cinnamon is kind of ass at 10 feet, I've got Fedora KDE on my desktop for better Wayland support, and Fedora Gnome on a tablet because it's the only thing that remotely works as a touch-first OS that I could get to actually run on that tablet.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 159d
See? I knew doomscrolling served a purpose. Bookmarked for the info about the tablet.
Does it work well with low spec tablets? 2Gb RAM 32 (64?) disk?
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 159d
The machine I have it on is a Lenovo Duet 3i, which has a Pentium processor and either 4 or 8GB of RAM. I bought that machine specifically to use in my wood shop, I wanted a fanless machine that could run FreeCAD.
As a touch device, it's just this side of unusable. It likes to forget what orientation it was in when waking up from sleep, and doesn't like to correctly find out while waking up. Gnome will sort of mostly function with gestures and larger touch buttons, most apps are still designed very strictly for mouse and keyboard. The onscreen keyboard isn't fantastic. I can confirm that Windows Vista had a better tablet experience than present day Fedora Gnome. But it functions.
I tried Fedora KDE, and trying to get Fedora KDE to be a tablet OS was a fool's errand, the features aren't even half-baked, they're on the counter waiting for the oven to preheat. Fedora offers a KDE Touch image which I found runs like boiled butt.
I have no experience with ARM tablets; this is on an x86 tablet (or one of those Surface knockoffs with the keyboard that pops off).
redsand@infosec.pub · -2 pts · 160d
Im the guy who has to tell all the kids mint is run by volunteers who are not actually up to the task of running a secure OS. It's not as bad as manjaro but it is not good either. Please stop making this people's first distro, it's an ubuntu fork that hasn't needed to exist since spins came out.
33550336@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 160d
I put a lot of will strength to not downvote this.
redsand@infosec.pub · -4 pts · 160d
Why? It's the cold hard truth. Mint was created as an Ubuntu alternative that would be prettier and appear more like windows. It has never had solid corprate backing or even pillars of the FOSS community working on it. It's a hobby project and not even a unique one anymore. Just use a fedora, buntu, debian or suse spin for new people.
moonshadow@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 160d
The "cold hard truth" is that volunteers are more than up to stripping some the nonsense back off of ubuntu, and plenty of the people that made it good back in the day are involved with mint now. It's no one's favorite but this much hate for the beigest of distros is weird to me and your take on its origins is just plain wrong
redsand@infosec.pub · -4 pts · 160d
No. They are not up to it. It's the #1 distro on Lemmy and it shouldn't be.
To be clear the only distro I hate is Manjaro, mint I only think about when people here remind me it's popular. Downvote away, your oppinion is meaningless.
coverupyourface@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 160d
Manjaro is a very good Distro
redsand@infosec.pub · 0 pts · 160d
Certified
33550336@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 159d
This is why I love mint, among other reasons.
Recommending Ubuntu in place of Mint is a total
derangementabsurd.redsand@infosec.pub · -1 pts · 159d
And thankfully you will never work any real security job
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 159d
Isn't Linux mostly either a hobby project for a huge majority of it's contributors, or the origin of the rest?
I kinda seem to remember that the Linux family tree is littered with failed corporate backed distros.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 159d
Why is Mint less secure than other general purpose distros?
redsand@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 159d
Not particularly now days but it's lower hanging fruit than anything with paid maintainers
Agent641@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 160d
Y'all's, I don't want to tinker with my OS. I don't wanna think about my OS. I just want my OS to work, mind it's fucking business and leave me alone.
rbos@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 160d
That's exactly why I run Linux. If you want something that just keeps running the basically the same way for like 20 years, that's your option.
redsand@infosec.pub · 17 pts · 160d
May I introduce you to OpenBSD? Where uptime is measured in years.
trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf · 21 pts · 160d
Calm down Satan
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 159d
No, the devil's OS is FreeBSD
Shameless@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 160d
I'm 100% in this camp, ive used Pop!_OS now for years and it's never given me any grief! One PC has had it installed for almost 6 years and it still runs flawlessly.
night_petal@piefed.social · 3 pts · 160d
I've been on Garuda for years now, and despite choosing an Arch derivative, I have zero (0) desire to ever change any kind of config, and I will never understand the desire to do so. I need my PC to actually work.
Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 160d
But have you considered paying for linux pro extreme max?
Agent641@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 160d
Bruh if I could pay a modest yearly subscription to a company and get actual professional personal support for Linux and not have to roll the dice on snarky forum comments, I unironically would.
pelya@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 160d
That was the whole Redhat business model when they just started.
moonshadow@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 160d
You can pay me, I got you fam
texture@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 160d
thats why i use linux too
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 159d
Bazzite has pretty much been this for me for the past couple years
IratePirate@feddit.org · 1 pts · 159d
This. That's why I have stuck with Mint for almost a decade now. It's the perfect workhorse: it fits my workflow, is stable as heck, just quietly does what it needs to do and gets out of my way the rest of the time. Hence, I don't see why I should switch to anything else.
TheGingerNut@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 39 pts · 160d
Hacker: Skipper
Programmer: Kowalski
Arch User/Gentoo User: Rico
Cat: Private
Don't worry, we'll protect you
mumblerfish@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 160d
Those penguins appear to be Gentoo penguins, so in a way only one belongs
abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 160d
I bet OP wouldn't even know if gentoo, chinstrap and adelie are penguins or linux distros
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 160d
Adelle Linux? I thought there was only Hannah Montana Linux?
ItsMyVault101@piefed.social · 7 pts · 160d
No no its a lively neighborhood, Rebecca Black Linux is also there.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 160d
Gotta Update on Friday 🎵
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 24 pts · 160d
You, too, can become a 1337 h4xx0r with this one (1) simple trick: Read the manual!
Which is both definitely correct, but also profoundly unhelpful for newbies. But seriously, there is so much documentation, blog articles, video tutorials etc. for Linux, if you put in some effort everyone can go from newbie to hacker/programmer/gentoo user.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 160d
Last time I looked, the closest thing to a "manual" published by Linux Mint was mostly a manifesto about why they're not using various bits of Ubuntu. Sure the good old
mancommand is still in there but Cinnamon is supposed to speak for itself.rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 2 pts · 160d
True that, it's more relevant to commandline applications and whatever has a page in the Arch wiki (which is a great resource regardless of distro). Ubuntu itself does have extensive manuals, which are mostly still useful for Mint when they're not specifically about Ubuntu's default desktop environment.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 160d
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 160d
What were the limitations you encountered?
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 160d
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 160d
Sounds like your issue was more the desktop environment than the distro itself. Did you ever try to install Plasma in it? Back when I used Mint, I actually used i3-wm for a while.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 160d
mult@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 160d
Cat.
username_1@programming.dev · 13 pts · 160d
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 160d
username_1@programming.dev · 3 pts · 160d
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 159d
Cat.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 160d
Tbh as an Arch (btw) user I'm not really some magic computer wizard, I struggle with basic python, I often forget command arguments (I take heavy advantage of fish but sometimes it doesn't know the arguments either), I don't know how to do much scripting, I don't make my own config files, and my de is cosmic. Remember that most advanced Linux users are less advanced than people think (occasionally less advanced than even they think).
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 160d
I installed arch using archinstall a few years ago just because i got sold on a custom hyperland config, never looked back.
I have yet to understand what the fuss is all about with it being difficult or not new user friendly.
Yes there are weekly updates, and on occasion they do break something, but that was never different on windows.
expr@piefed.social · 4 pts · 160d
You do have to install/setup a lot more stuff yourself, fwiw. That's probably largely what it is, that there's little that comes pre-baked. It's basically a build-a-distro toolkit.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 160d
Tbh i think the hypeland configuration solved pretty much all that for me.
The project has been renamed and changed maintainer since but its still very much alive if anyone wants to check it out.
https://github.com/HyDE-Project/HyDE
I had never seen a tiling window manager before and my only experience on Linux was a little ubuntu server to run my Minecraft server from.
expr@piefed.social · 4 pts · 160d
Isn't Hyprland created by a fascist?
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 160d
Is it?!
nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de · 3 pts · 160d
I'd say most of that is just outdated opinions based on a time when archinstall wasn't yet included in the live ISO and using it was also more frowned upon and seen as a "cheat". Thankfully we mostly got over that second part.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 160d
I used to do that but switched away from Hyprland after cosmic released.
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 160d
Ha, this is basically me. Still wouldn't recommend rolling release to newbies, but my Linux knowledge is basic at best, and I've still used Arch for 8 years without many issues.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 160d
marduk@lemmy.sdf.org · 19 pts · 160d
Where my debian as desktop homies at?
TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org · 12 pts · 160d
Still waking up and making breakfast. They're perpetually 5 hours late.
Pat@feddit.nu · 8 pts · 160d
It's a simple life. All you need for an OS, and no more. Only issue is the stupid installer. Disk partitioning is like handling a gun blindfolded.
NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 160d
Yer a lizard, Harry.
username_1@programming.dev · 14 pts · 160d
pmk@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 160d
A few times per year I distrohop, but there's always small glitches in every distro I try, except for Debian. At least on my laptop, Debian just works.
Marduk73@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 160d
Not trying to win contests. Just glad it ain't winders.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 160d
Marduk I don't know why you chose your username but it is my favorite of all the Mesopotamian/Babylonian I forget gods so I love it when I see your name pop up. First prize! :3
Marduk73@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 159d
I've used it forever. 90's or early 00's. Started with pazuzu from i think final fantasy or similar game.
Then was thinking of ancient gods as well. Fight between Marduk and tiamat.
Just stayed with that.
Well glad i can bring happiness where i can. Have a great day.
Shayeta@feddit.org · 12 pts · 160d
Sure, arch has a steep learning curve, but in the long run easier to use than others since it has better documentation.
Since you're already doing a fresh install, might as well create the root partition as a BTRFS with opensuse-style subvolumes for easy snapshotting and rollback. And since you're so close might as well also add LUKS1 encryption across the partition, since TPM is untrustworthy for REAL security. You're going to be using a grub config with rd.luks params and a protected keyfile so you don't have to decrypt the partition twice per boot like some scrub, of course.
Of course, technically there is nothing wrong just a plain arch install as long you've devised a proper opsec strategy, alongside daily, weekly and monthly full-disk offsite encrypted backups!
And yes indeed, Arch linux is the distro that was ordained to me!
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 160d
Arch forces you to learn about Linux internals and components. Most people don’t need to know these things to work productively with their computers. Arch is more of an „build your own OS“ toolkit than a well defined base operating system. Two Arch installs can be more wildly different to use than Fedora and Ubuntu. That’s why you need the mountains of documentation. Arch wiki is great, but it’s not perfect or correct. Lots of outdated info lingers there as well.
BTRFS with subvolumes is they way to go, I agree. Mint sadly still defaults to EXT4 with only an encrypted /home. I installed Mint recently and a modern partition setup like you describe was difficult to get working. I don’t even remember, what I ended up with.
The AUR is a security nightmare.
That‘s an area Mint is pretty weak in.
Makes fantastic distros, that more people should use.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 159d
The AUR is no more a security nightmare than Linux itself. Much of it is built by god knows who, and the fact that code is inspectable, doesn't mean it is.
popekingjoe@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 160d
As an Arch user: welcome! It'll be a little work, but you're gonna be a-okay.
duncan_bayne@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 160d
I daily drive FreeBSD and have tinkered with Plan 9 and Haiku.
My Linux desktop (for gaming, DRM, and Linux-specific stuff), my wife's laptop, the kids' laptops, and our two media PCs all run Mint. It's great.
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 159d
At the end of the day for new and casual users, support wins. Ubuntu has the largest community of support, making Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu while having a more elegant variety of UI, making it a good compromise. Good choice.
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 159d
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mint Debian based these days?
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 159d
Ubuntu is Debian based, so yes.
MIXEDUNIVERS@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 159d
i thougt its both, because they have a debian version
MasterNerd@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 159d
Regular Mint is based off of Ubuntu, which is Debian based itself. However, it is somewhat beholden to the Ubuntu way of doing things.
They do have a version that uses a plain Debian base, so they're not reliant on Canonical. That version is LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition).
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 9 pts · 160d
I noticed that little quote there btw.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 159d
If you have any problems with Blueman not letting Bluetooth controllers work, install KDE system settings. Don't know why that works but it does.
Peluri96@feddit.org · 4 pts · 159d
I will try that out. I usually directly go terminal
anistorian@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 160d
Don’t worry. You can just as easily wreck your Mint install as any other distro, as soon as you start to poke around.
idlesheep@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 160d
And, importantly: the same applies to Windows. How many updates has Windows had that broke something essential with no user intervention?
Fact of the matter is any OS can break if you purposefully try to poke around without knowing what you're doing.
What distros that are more "resilient" to breaking do is either prevent you from easily/accidentally poking around, prevent you from applying updates willy-nilly, or set up easy rollbacks in case something breaks (or a combination of these).
Imo, if you're not a tinkerer and you have a distro with backups properly setup, you're very likely gonna be fine no matter what distro you choose.
Though Mint is still awesome and if you don't have any problems with it just keep using it.
MrChewy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 160d
As a someone who wanted to play around with mint after already using arch for a longer while to check out "distrohopping": easier*
(went right back to my comfort space of arch real quick, don't really get distrohopping yet, how do I actually do that properly?)
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 160d
Welcome to the pengulution
Zephorah@discuss.online · 8 pts · 160d
I’m pretty sure the rest of them felt that way on day 1 / year 1 too.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 160d
I use cachy os because I like my pc to go fast as fuck boy
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 159d
I also use "Script kiddie Arch", BTW.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 159d
Lmao my dumbass can’t use regular arch
dephyre@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 160d
Been using Pop_OS! For almost 4 years now. Now I have SteamOS on my deck, headless Linbuntu on my mini PC, and MacOS on my work machine. Still love coming back to pop, especially with the new Cosmic DE.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 159d
Next month will be two years in Mint exclusively. I have no complaints.
Well, I do miss the big preview window in File Explorer, but otherwise, I'm happy to be rid of Windows.
alexquiniou@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 159d
Me who just have install Ubuntu.
Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 160d
I want to be that pussy!
JustAPenguin@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 160d
I have some good news for you
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 160d
I mean yeah. This is going to be me as soon as I fix my next
twoone! life and death problems and hang the drapes, and also post a picture on here of the picture we found thrifting because i am excited that it helps color my room I don't care that it's a print of AI bullshit. I can put a print of something better there eventually but it catches the eye right now.In the meantime, is there a "these are the cli commands you need to know" Linux for stoned dummies cause I haven't used it since college and that was decades ago
Qwel@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 160d
If you intend on using a normal desktop distro, you will usually be able to find the command for what you want to do online. You may not even end up typing any command, I remember someone who was hyped to use the terminal being disappointed that he never got to.
The "essential" cli commands are the ones that you will definitely not use in an everyday desktop life. It's going to be about file manipulation, maybe some daemon management and networking. All of this will be either preconfigured or done through a file explorer and web browser.
If you can say what you want to do and with what distro, maybe people can try to anticipate what you'll need? I would generally advise to wait for a reason to use a command before worrying about learning it.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 160d
I plan on breaking my computer with mint cinnamon. Does that help any?
wibble@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 159d
Just remember that there is an emergency tty in the ctrl alt f1-7 somewhere. I never remember which one, so spam them until it appears, usually when I maxed my ram and have no swap
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 159d
TeleTypeWriter? sorry, have some Deaf friends so that is the first thing that comes to mind
edit oh gods i've even had my coffee that's not even the same letter. this is the first time i have felt shame in... hold on i need to get a calendar. 22 years, 4 months, 23 days. oh gosh.
Itsamelemmy@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 159d
https://overthewire.org/wargames/bandit/
This is a lot of fun. Starts off pretty basic with the cli, and gets way more advanced.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 159d
i want to try this but part of me says i'm going to end up with a felony in 39 nonconsecutive countries
Itsamelemmy@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 159d
I think the main thing to keep in mind when doing any of these hacking games is permission. Do you have permission to do what you are doing? With overthewire they give you permission to do the challenges. If you were to try to go outside of what they say you can do, and try to pivot to another part of their system to hack, that'd be illegal.
If you're interested beyond cli stuff like otw/bandit has check out tryhackme.com They have a lot of fun beginner friendly stuff as well.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 159d
the game tells me i have permission, but do i really? for all i know i'm really hacking into a cia blacksite's third backup or something. i mean i'm not really that paranoid, but i can imagine what my qanon sovcit quiverfull brother would think it might be and go one worse, and then see if i can afford to lose that gamble y'know
Francislewwis@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 159d
Linux Mint is the gateway penguin.
arcine@jlai.lu · 5 pts · 160d
TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 159d
FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe · 4 pts · 159d
Me but with Kubuntu instead of mint
floralmortal@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 160d
Redvenom@retrolemmy.com · 4 pts · 159d
even by just becoming a linux user, you are helping making it more mainstream
khanh@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 159d
i love my fedora
justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 159d
Same, just moved to it
meow@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 159d
I love the original pic, do you have it?
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 158d
Found it.
The cat is edited in the image with penguins. If you need, I can try to find the cat only too, I have seen the standing cat image too, somewhere.
meow@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 158d
No its allright as is. And thank you :3
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 158d
No, sorry. I found this meme as is.
ArchBtw@ani.social · 2 pts · 133d
I use Arch.