Yeah, "Santo" is the better example. I'm actually not sure if there's any particular distinction for why sme place names are "San" and other are "Santo", perhaps it comes from historical baggage from whichever branches of explorers / conquerers founded each town.
My understanding is we have the Dutch to blame for that as they named him "Sante" and Spanish-speaking countries adapted the sound into "a" for whatever reason. Basically it's "whole" proper name derived from elsewhere.
So up front, I'm not a native Spanish speaker, but I would imagine it's the male and female versions of the word saint. Which is why you get San Sebastion and Santa Maria.
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veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 104 pts · 148d
It's because nouns in Spanish carry gender! Which is crazy but it works.
"San Francisco" → Francisco is a male name.
"Santa Bárbara" → Baŕbara is a female name.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 52 pts · 148d
Masculine form would be santo like in Santo Domingo. San seems to be an abbreviated form of that.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com · 77 pts · 148d
SANTO FRANCISCO, THE EVEN GAYER SAN FRANCISCO 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️❤️
DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 148d
This might be the most important comment ever. I'm honored to have been here.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 148d
Macho
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 38 pts · 148d
San is the apocope of santo (masculine form of saint), all masculine names use the form San except those that start with the syllables to- or do-.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 147d
See? English isn’t the only language with semi-arbitrarily pointless rules
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 148d
Yeah, "Santo" is the better example. I'm actually not sure if there's any particular distinction for why sme place names are "San" and other are "Santo", perhaps it comes from historical baggage from whichever branches of explorers / conquerers founded each town.
FloMo@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 148d
To the best if my knowledge, Santo is used to clarify the difference between the title and the name.
Santo Tomás being the simplest example I can think of, as “San Tomás” can be confused as as “Santo Más”.
Everything else is pretty spot on and an excellent explanation!
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 148d
All masculine saint names use the form San except those names that start with the syllables to- and do-.
crank0271@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 148d
So is there something we haven't been told about Claus / Klaus?
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 148d
My understanding is we have the Dutch to blame for that as they named him "Sante" and Spanish-speaking countries adapted the sound into "a" for whatever reason. Basically it's "whole" proper name derived from elsewhere.
ValiantDust@feddit.org · 9 pts · 148d
I think it's Sinterklaas and it was English-speaking Americans who changed it into Santa Claus. Probably misunderstanding the origin.
snooggums@piefed.world · 2 pts · 148d
Americans also like to mispronounced things and then write down what it sounds like using words they already know.
daychilde@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 147d
You say that like it's unique to us. lol. That's how language works :)
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 148d
He's a world-famous forklift driver.
flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 148d
Well, Santa Claus doesn't operate in Spain so they got confused somewhere when translating the name
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 147d
But Santa Claus is male. Checkmate, español.
darkdemize@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 148d
So up front, I'm not a native Spanish speaker, but I would imagine it's the male and female versions of the word saint. Which is why you get San Sebastion and Santa Maria.
FloMo@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 148d
Native Spanish Speaker here - In a nutshell, yeah that’s pretty much it! =)