Minecraft and Minetest (now Luanti) let you host your own server, so you wouldn't really gain anything from federation. Honestly, I'm not sure what benefits ActivityPub would have for games, except maybe Newgrounds-style sites.
I actually remembered that when writing this! (though I couldn't remember what it was called) It's definitely cool, but more in the "Doom running on a pregnancy test" way.
You could make a federated mod database (aka NexusMods replacement) that uses torrent for distribution to reduce stress on the servers. Could work a bit like PeerTube.
Are you shitting me? Computers are the best tool for having access to literally thousands of fucking games for free that can all run on garbage.
My family didn't have anything top of the line, held onto what we had for 8+ years. I had (and have) more free games than I could ever possibly play.
There's source ports of classic old games, there's emulation of the hits from decades kd previous consoles and handhelds, there's plenty of open source games out there, there's the entire back catalog of old browser games (mostly flash) through flashpoint, US game development college students release their projects for free all the fucking time, there's fan games for stuff like sonic, and lastly there's easy as hell piracy.
And by waiting or playing older stuff, you let time and other people sort out what's good from the trash, so you can better rely on what people say is good.
I was living out of a low powered business laptop released in 2011 until 2021. In 2018 I upgraded it to 8GB of RAM and an SSD. I gamed so damn much on that thing, just not whatever the latest popular game was. I still use it occasionally for chilling on the couch or my porch.
Digits of currency is a completely useless measurement - typical hours of work required to buy would be universal to understand. Though "low-end PC" also varies a lot depending on who you ask.
Pi zero is 45 mins of labour here, the zero 2 is around 75 mins. Could compile and play CDDA on those easily, no chance of playing anything else modern though. Could play some browser games. It has a whole 512MB of RAM, for comparison UT1999 recommends 32MB. Obviously, its more than powerful enough to run Doom.
You're saying that from a high-salary j*b perspective - most of them have low salary including ours (mine is 39 in our currency an hour) so the device costing 15000 will take 48 days (!) just to afford it
Digits of currency is a completely useless measurement
48 days would be useful if you had specified what the device was. Units of currency without even specifying the currency is useless, 500 in one may be 4 in another.
Anyway for mine the potato PC was low 5 digits (one was 15,000) of my currency
This is meaningless. 15000 pesetas are 90 euros, but in Spain the actual cost would have been the same before and after the Euro (if prices had been converted 1:1, of course) independently of it being 5 or 2 digits.
That would be a 3D engine thing not a social media thing
But depending on both of the instances with different software (a game and a forum platform, in this case PieFed if they both support OAuth (the stack that lets the users sign in on one platform with an account on the other)) you can sign in with that PieFed account
Yeah, either unified login. Like, you only need one place where you enter your user credentials, and you use the self-same credentials to log into any server out there. Guess it's a convenience thing, now that what feels like 90% of all people online have no access to hardware keyboards or screens larger than 6.5".
Or, going beyond that, something like OpenSim's Hypergrid: You have a player character on one server, and you can teleport to a wholly different server, any server, inventory and skin and all.
I guess we can all imagine how that's going to be horrible: N00b makes new player character on a non-creative survival server, can't be bothered to mine or grow or craft or even look for anything, teleports to a creative server, stocks up their inventory with all kinds of stuff and goes back to the non-creative survival server, decked out like a god.
What? Apples and oranges. Game servers are centrally hosted. You can already host private servers in some of these, like Minecraft, it's just not federated with other servers because that kind of defeats the point of private servers.
Not for the account servers. Account servers can connect to the game server and merge the data from the payers in it. If multiple accounts from the account server join that same game server the data from those accounts get merged before being sent back to the game server to lighten the load on that server. Like multiple users from other instances to a community on one instance in PieFed/MBin.
For private servers it internally can be secured with an auth token, encryption and/or its literally just a whitelist
This and the game server will be a part of an instance which does both (game server for one, account server for the other)
Considering that they surprised us with it rather than including it in the public experimental branch, I think there's a reasonable chance they'll be updating it once they get some player feedback. It definitely feels like a stub that'll get expanded in the future.
Also, even if each lever or adapter can only transmit one bit of data, with enough of them you could encode whatever you want...
You could transmit a single bit, but the construction required makes it totally impractical for use during a normal game and pushes it far into endgame.
Minecraft has Drasl, a replacement account/authentication server which isn't federated, but if there was demand for it, I'm sure it wouldn't be impossible for the developers to introduce 🤔
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flamingos@feddit.uk · 39 pts · 172d
Minecraft and Minetest (now Luanti) let you host your own server, so you wouldn't really gain anything from federation. Honestly, I'm not sure what benefits ActivityPub would have for games, except maybe Newgrounds-style sites.
irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 172d
https://github.com/wont-work/mcactivitypub/
flamingos@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 172d
I actually remembered that when writing this! (though I couldn't remember what it was called) It's definitely cool, but more in the "Doom running on a pregnancy test" way.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 171d
You could make a federated mod database (aka NexusMods replacement) that uses torrent for distribution to reduce stress on the servers. Could work a bit like PeerTube.
KiwiTB@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 172d
Oh no.... No games aimed at exploiting children on fediverse. Good.
NataliaTheDrowned2@fedia.io · 3 pts · 172d
This guy didnt experience having a potato PC growing up.
Even a low-end PC at the time on my birth country was pretty much expensive - 6 digits (one at 300 000) worth of our own currency
Now I'm in southernmost Ukraine (no effects of war there) the prices are cheaper but is still pretty expensive
In short this guy may be fun at parties - while I'm suffering on the PC prices
KiwiTB@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 172d
There are thousands of better games to play on potatoes than these.
hankskyjames777@piefed.social · 1 pts · 172d
Are you sure about that (you think you can fool us with that)
All paid, all terrible, nothing worth it
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 172d
Are you shitting me? Computers are the best tool for having access to literally thousands of fucking games for free that can all run on garbage.
My family didn't have anything top of the line, held onto what we had for 8+ years. I had (and have) more free games than I could ever possibly play.
There's source ports of classic old games, there's emulation of the hits from decades kd previous consoles and handhelds, there's plenty of open source games out there, there's the entire back catalog of old browser games (mostly flash) through flashpoint, US game development college students release their projects for free all the fucking time, there's fan games for stuff like sonic, and lastly there's easy as hell piracy.
And by waiting or playing older stuff, you let time and other people sort out what's good from the trash, so you can better rely on what people say is good.
I was living out of a low powered business laptop released in 2011 until 2021. In 2018 I upgraded it to 8GB of RAM and an SSD. I gamed so damn much on that thing, just not whatever the latest popular game was. I still use it occasionally for chilling on the couch or my porch.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 172d
Digits of currency is a completely useless measurement - typical hours of work required to buy would be universal to understand. Though "low-end PC" also varies a lot depending on who you ask.
Pi zero is 45 mins of labour here, the zero 2 is around 75 mins. Could compile and play CDDA on those easily, no chance of playing anything else modern though. Could play some browser games. It has a whole 512MB of RAM, for comparison UT1999 recommends 32MB. Obviously, its more than powerful enough to run Doom.
hankskyjames777@piefed.social · -3 pts · 172d
You're saying that from a high-salary j*b perspective - most of them have low salary including ours (mine is 39 in our currency an hour) so the device costing 15000 will take 48 days (!) just to afford it
Words from someone richer than us
Never reading your ragebait again. Bye
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 172d
48 days would be useful if you had specified what the device was. Units of currency without even specifying the currency is useless, 500 in one may be 4 in another.
NataliaTheDrowned2@fedia.io · -1 pts · 172d
My fosh I'm sorry you had to take the bait before I did... but thank you anyway
hankskyjames777@piefed.social · 2 pts · 172d
Damn this hits me more than than I've experienced
Like my father beat me with the nails on his belt
Anyway for mine the potato PC was low 5 digits (one was 15,000) of my currency
Wrrzag@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 172d
This is meaningless. 15000 pesetas are 90 euros, but in Spain the actual cost would have been the same before and after the Euro (if prices had been converted 1:1, of course) independently of it being 5 or 2 digits.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 172d
Counter strike and tf2?
NataliaTheDrowned2@fedia.io · 1 pts · 172d
Even worse than you think, those can't run - also that would need me to setup a payment service in Steam which I don't have yet
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 172d
Huh? Those are both free - steam doesn't require a payment method for account creation.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 172d
Can confirm, my wife's account doesn't have one set up because usually I just gift her games or we share through thr family settings.
Kirk@startrek.website · 25 pts · 172d
This doesn't make any sense
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 15 pts · 172d
"Minetest says naur" what are you trying to convey with this gibberish?
yakko@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 172d
It's the word no with an accent
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 172d
Yeah I know how australians "talk" but what does minetest says no mean
NataliaTheDrowned2@fedia.io · 2 pts · 171d
They've rejected suggestions for server federation
https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/7993
https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/15082
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 171d
Okay. So what does federation mean in the context of a videogame? Will I be able to craft an iron toothpick from my piefed account?
NataliaTheDrowned2@fedia.io · 2 pts · 171d
That would be a 3D engine thing not a social media thing
But depending on both of the instances with different software (a game and a forum platform, in this case PieFed if they both support OAuth (the stack that lets the users sign in on one platform with an account on the other)) you can sign in with that PieFed account
yakko@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 171d
I'm glad someone knew, thanks ^^
JupiterRowland@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 138d
Yeah, either unified login. Like, you only need one place where you enter your user credentials, and you use the self-same credentials to log into any server out there. Guess it's a convenience thing, now that what feels like 90% of all people online have no access to hardware keyboards or screens larger than 6.5".
Or, going beyond that, something like OpenSim's Hypergrid: You have a player character on one server, and you can teleport to a wholly different server, any server, inventory and skin and all.
I guess we can all imagine how that's going to be horrible: N00b makes new player character on a non-creative survival server, can't be bothered to mine or grow or craft or even look for anything, teleports to a creative server, stocks up their inventory with all kinds of stuff and goes back to the non-creative survival server, decked out like a god.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 1 pts · 172d
Must be from a Star Trek episode or something
NataliaTheDrowned2@fedia.io · 2 pts · 172d
Star Trek episode you thought?
https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/7993
https://github.com/luanti-org/luanti/issues/15082
ICastFist@programming.dev · 2 pts · 171d
Minetest says NAUR, Luanti and Minetest at Tanagra
OpenStars@piefed.social · 7 pts · 172d
Be the change... go play more video games!
!minecraft@lemmy.world, !moddedminecraft@sopuli.xyz, !oldschoolminecraft@lemmy.world, !minecraftmemes@lemmy.world, !minecraft@pawb.social, !minecraftcommands@lemmy.world, etc.
BladeFederation@piefed.social · 7 pts · 171d
What? Apples and oranges. Game servers are centrally hosted. You can already host private servers in some of these, like Minecraft, it's just not federated with other servers because that kind of defeats the point of private servers.
hankskyjames777@piefed.social · 2 pts · 171d
Not for the account servers. Account servers can connect to the game server and merge the data from the payers in it. If multiple accounts from the account server join that same game server the data from those accounts get merged before being sent back to the game server to lighten the load on that server. Like multiple users from other instances to a community on one instance in PieFed/MBin.
For private servers it internally can be secured with an auth token, encryption and/or its literally just a whitelist
This and the game server will be a part of an instance which does both (game server for one, account server for the other)
grue@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 172d
Timberborn just came out with automation that includes an HTTP API...
https://timberborn.wiki.gg/wiki/HTTP_API
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 172d
okay I might have to get that game if these are the kinda shenanigans they got
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 172d
I had so much hope for that but from what I could see in testing it only outputs true or false values
grue@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 172d
Considering that they surprised us with it rather than including it in the public experimental branch, I think there's a reasonable chance they'll be updating it once they get some player feedback. It definitely feels like a stub that'll get expanded in the future.
Also, even if each lever or adapter can only transmit one bit of data, with enough of them you could encode whatever you want...
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 172d
You could transmit a single bit, but the construction required makes it totally impractical for use during a normal game and pushes it far into endgame.
redsand@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 172d
I want the source code for fortnite so bad. It could set millions free of windows. Also I'm morbidly curios what their network stack looks like.
NataliaTheDrowned2@fedia.io · 1 pts · 171d
NataliaTheDrowned2@fedia.io · 1 pts · 171d
SpatchyIsOnline@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 172d
Minecraft has Drasl, a replacement account/authentication server which isn't federated, but if there was demand for it, I'm sure it wouldn't be impossible for the developers to introduce 🤔
NataliaTheDrowned2@fedia.io · 1 pts · 171d
urheber@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 172d
Is pixelfed active? When I used it I was alone
hankskyjames777@piefed.social · 4 pts · 171d
On development yes. Depends on the instance youre in
hankskyjames777@piefed.social · 1 pts · 172d
This was the repo for Libreternity
https://notabug.org/libreternity-team/libreternity
ICastFist@programming.dev · 1 pts · 172d
Site down due to ai bots :(
Xylight@lemdro.id · 1 pts · 154d
how tf do you activitypub live multiplayer games, separate http request per packet?