Context: They have a betting game called "Jogo do bicho" (Animal game, direct translation). Number 24 corresponds to deer, which is "veado" in portuguese - which is very similar to"viado", which is a slur for gay people persons.
Thanks for the explanation mate, that makes a lot more sense.
I'm portuguese and I always thought that veado was the word, just that "e" was "stressed" to sound like "i". I didn't know until today that there were actually two words
It's only the same if you ignore Portuguese pronunciation, though, this is still some rightwing snowflake shit. Veado and viado will only sound the same if you speak some ignorant, backwater version of Brazilian Portuguese, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Viado e veado não soam igual, mano, esse é coisa de homens frágeis, eu não sei de que você tá falando. Deixe essa porra pros Bolsonaristas. Nem os tugas falam assim.
Even if it sounded different it wouldn't make a difference, because language is flexible and undefined, or are we going to take classes on how to talk "e" or "i" as well? I'm certain we need more of those 🙄
Yes. He is a respected male now. He is 23+1, watch out! No one will mess with him as he sexuality is assured (sorry if I'm being too intense about this, I'm brazilian. I've noticed it doesn't make sense to people of other countries in the other commentary)
That's not the reason though. 24 (vinte e quatro) is the gay number because it sounds like "vim de quatro" which means something like "I came on all 4s"
There's an illegal gambling game that has been extremely popular for decades called the animal game (jogo do bicho), in which each number represents an animal. 24 is the deer (veado). There's also a derogatory word for gay men, viado. The two words sound the same. So 24 is "the deer's number" but it sounds like "the fag's number".
Viado comes from desviado, which means someone who was driven off the proper path. It's just a matter of homophony (and homophobia).
The explanation may be as simple as that the word works better as an expletive by keeping the stressed syllable. All the examples you gave are "friendly" clippings but "viado" is derogatory.
Convincente. Dei uma pesquisada e me deparei com esse texto aqui, que atribui a origem do termo a um homem específico, um socialite português que vivia em Niterói, dono da marca Cigarros Veado e notório por suas escapadas com homens. O jornalista que inxestigou o assunto descartou as hipóteses do desviado/transviado.
Realmente o mistério é mais difícil de solucionar do que parece à primeira vista.
If they are worried about seeming gay, why are they decorating their cake with 23+1 sparkly magic Spanish anuses? Seems preeeetty gay....
For those confused, in Portuguese (which they speak in Brazil), "ano" is year. But in Spanish "año" is year, and "ano" is anus. Also the blue seems speckled or glittery (unclear in the picture) and it says in the corner that it has a magic wick.
You're right. I didnt zoom in enough apparently. I've corrected my mistake. Says "com pavio magico", meaning "with magic wick". Not helping the case honestly.
I am ashamed to be a member of a race that cannot have a floor 13 in a building in some countries, or a floor 4 (or floor with the number 4) in others just because of an outdated superstition.
This is not taken seriously, it's a joke. You would only buy a candle like this to joke with your friends. I've never even seen a candle like that. No one actually thinks a number is gay, you just joke about it when it comes up.
I have Salvadorian in-laws that play a similar looking game called "loteria" which is similar to bingo and played at family gatherings. I assume most Central/South American countries have a similar game.
At best, it sounds vaguely like marica, which is another common slur, but just like my reply ti some dumbass claiming veado and viado are the same in Portuguese, you would have to have some sort of developmental disorder to think Marieke and marica sound the same, or completely ignore Spanish orthography.
I dunno. That one looks a little phallic, could still be a little gay. Why not do 22+2 just to be completely safe? This isn't something you want to mess around with.
Anos in portuguese means years, while ânus means anus. Portuguese doesn't have a tilde over the n, only vowels can have accents in portuguese.
And 24 has a gay connotation due a false homonym in a Brazilian illegal betting game named "bicho" (animal), the number 24 belongs to a "veado" (deer), which sounds like "viado".
The word "viado" is a gay slur originating from the word "transviado" (literally means straying from a path), and the original word isn't as popular, though.
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irate944@piefed.social · 160 pts · 134d
Me: There's no way that's true
Me, after web searching: Huh...
Context: They have a betting game called "Jogo do bicho" (Animal game, direct translation). Number 24 corresponds to deer, which is "veado" in portuguese - which is very similar to"viado", which is a slur for gay people persons.
I still doubt these candles are popular though.
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 107 pts · 134d
irate944@piefed.social · 36 pts · 134d
Thanks for the explanation mate, that makes a lot more sense.
I'm portuguese and I always thought that veado was the word, just that "e" was "stressed" to sound like "i". I didn't know until today that there were actually two words
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 24 pts · 134d
brown567@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 133d
The linguist in me now feels the same way about Brazilian profanity that the engineer in me feels about fighter jets
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 133d
hraegsvelmir@ani.social · -10 pts · 134d
It's only the same if you ignore Portuguese pronunciation, though, this is still some rightwing snowflake shit. Veado and viado will only sound the same if you speak some ignorant, backwater version of Brazilian Portuguese, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Viado e veado não soam igual, mano, esse é coisa de homens frágeis, eu não sei de que você tá falando. Deixe essa porra pros Bolsonaristas. Nem os tugas falam assim.
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 13 pts · 134d
obbeel@lemmy.eco.br · 10 pts · 134d
Viado es veado. Fuck this
Even if it sounded different it wouldn't make a difference, because language is flexible and undefined, or are we going to take classes on how to talk "e" or "i" as well? I'm certain we need more of those 🙄
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 133d
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 134d
They're popular enough for them to have been mass-produced, as opposed to, say, just writing the text on the cake with frosting.
ascend@lemmy.radio · 15 pts · 134d
Kind of funny someone is so self conscious about looking "weak" or whatever has a birthday cake with candles
obbeel@lemmy.eco.br · 5 pts · 134d
Yes. He is a respected male now. He is 23+1, watch out! No one will mess with him as he sexuality is assured (sorry if I'm being too intense about this, I'm brazilian. I've noticed it doesn't make sense to people of other countries in the other commentary)
musubibreakfast@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 134d
Brazil is a weird place.
obbeel@lemmy.eco.br · 3 pts · 134d
Carnival makes up for it. There's more beauty to it than it seems at first glance.
Some introverts might think: "It's just an even larger assembly of people", but people are allowed to be weird and graceful.
Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 134d
That's not the reason though. 24 (vinte e quatro) is the gay number because it sounds like "vim de quatro" which means something like "I came on all 4s"
obbeel@lemmy.eco.br · 1 pts · 134d
True
marcos@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 134d
It's a very popular joke. I have no idea how many people take it seriously, since those would probably not say they do.
I imagine most people that buy a candle like that do it for somebody else's birthday to imply the other person is gay.
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 133d
as a Brazillian, I have never seen the correlation of the number 24 with "gayness"
aguasemgas@lemmy.eco.br · 2 pts · 133d
É literalmente uma idiotice que tem aqui em Salvador (Não sei se surgiu aqui), vinte e quatro / vim de quatro
It's literally an idiocy that has here in Salvador (I don't know if it came from here), twenty-four / I came from four
hayvan@piefed.world · 2 pts · 134d
It's probably more of a joke.
Gork@sopuli.xyz · 97 pts · 134d
Straight men have a 23+1 hr schedule every day. The extra hour is for secret gay time.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 75 pts · 134d
Just going to say that looks way more gay than the number 24....
The more you try to avoid looking gay, the more gay you look. It's funny coming from a place as gay as Brazil.
melfie@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 134d
If you’re not gay, you must prove it by wearing a birthday tiara and listening to nothing but Judy Garland the whole day.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 133d
Science be damned but this may actually be the one thing that CAN turn someone gay.
Like just thinking about it makes me happy.
potatoguy@mbin.potato-guy.space · 34 pts · 134d
Can confirm, I was gay that year.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 34 pts · 134d
Aside from the homophobia, they still get birthday cakes with candles that say their age when they are 24?
nodiratime@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 133d
Only if you are gay.
/s in case someone misses the "homophobic-phobic" joke.
brotundspiele@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 133d
What else should they get? Birthday cakes with candles that say someone else's age? That wouldn't make any sense.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 133d
are you kidding? gran was a party animal. if she got them why wouldn't I?
BandanaBug@piefed.social · 29 pts · 134d
Don't put the word anus after it then!
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 134d
I was going to say, if Portuguese is like Spanish, it's "anus" without the tilde over the n, right?
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 134d
Portuguese doesn’t really have a tilde, but that’s what the h following an n (or an L) is there to indicate
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 133d
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 133d
Linnce@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 134d
They didn't though. Anos = years. Ânus = anus.
Bazell@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 134d
Can someone share some lore what is the connection between being gay and 24 in Brazil?
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 76 pts · 134d
There's an illegal gambling game that has been extremely popular for decades called the animal game (jogo do bicho), in which each number represents an animal. 24 is the deer (veado). There's also a derogatory word for gay men, viado. The two words sound the same. So 24 is "the deer's number" but it sounds like "the fag's number".
Viado comes from desviado, which means someone who was driven off the proper path. It's just a matter of homophony (and homophobia).
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 18 pts · 134d
Wow it's like a homophobic lasagna. My heart goes out to you, gay Brazilians
webp@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 134d
This suggests widespread homophobia if enough of them could combine their brainpower to form these few thoughts
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 133d
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 134d
Luckily for us there's nothing gayer than working together, so we should be safe
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 133d
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 133d
homophonophobia?!
fxdave@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 134d
It'd be also good to mention that Illuminati confirmed
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 133d
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 132d
The explanation may be as simple as that the word works better as an expletive by keeping the stressed syllable. All the examples you gave are "friendly" clippings but "viado" is derogatory.
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 132d
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 132d
Good argument. But then where do you think viado comes from?
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 132d
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 131d
Convincente. Dei uma pesquisada e me deparei com esse texto aqui, que atribui a origem do termo a um homem específico, um socialite português que vivia em Niterói, dono da marca Cigarros Veado e notório por suas escapadas com homens. O jornalista que inxestigou o assunto descartou as hipóteses do desviado/transviado.
Realmente o mistério é mais difícil de solucionar do que parece à primeira vista.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 132d
There are other exceptions, though. Take the nickname for Fernanda, Nanda [nɜ᷈dɐ]
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 132d
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 27 pts · 134d
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 134d
If they are worried about seeming gay, why are they decorating their cake with 23+1 sparkly magic Spanish anuses? Seems preeeetty gay....
For those confused, in Portuguese (which they speak in Brazil), "ano" is year. But in Spanish "año" is year, and "ano" is anus. Also the blue seems speckled or glittery (unclear in the picture) and it says in the corner that it has a magic wick.
Linnce@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 134d
That's part of the joke. This isn't really taken seriously here, you'd probably buy this for your friend to tease him in a friendly manner.
Ajen@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 134d
Seems like a joke.
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 134d
Doesn’t that say magico, not mango?
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 134d
You're right. I didnt zoom in enough apparently. I've corrected my mistake. Says "com pavio magico", meaning "with magic wick". Not helping the case honestly.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 134d
A magic wick is just one that lights up again after you blow out the candle so you have to blow again, which is also pretty gay.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 134d
"Keep blowing"
Evotech@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 133d
Having candles on your birthday cakes at all is pretty gay at that age
brotundspiele@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 133d
You don't have candles on your birthday cake just because you're grown up? What a sad life.
No homo, but I love to blow a big candle on my b-day.
Tikiporch@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 133d
Big candle sounds like a plausible euphemism like bull or twink.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 132d
I've never seen a sentence use the same dumb logic it criticizes so succinctly before
jaemo@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 133d
It is an most joyful occasion for gaiety...
Evotech@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 132d
It’s a joke
jaemo@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 132d
Yep thanks, picked up on that, so was my reply. Whoosh, I guess.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 134d
TIL my birthday is gay
Blum0108@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 134d
Every birthday can be gay if you're gay enough
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 134d
I am ashamed to be a member of a race that cannot have a floor 13 in a building in some countries, or a floor 4 (or floor with the number 4) in others just because of an outdated superstition.
But this somehow feels even dumber.
Linnce@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 134d
This is not taken seriously, it's a joke. You would only buy a candle like this to joke with your friends. I've never even seen a candle like that. No one actually thinks a number is gay, you just joke about it when it comes up.
Source: I'm Brazilian.
winkledinkle@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 134d
So if you want to look extra gay, your candle says 24+/-x to get your age.
socsa@piefed.social · 15 pts · 134d
That's pretty gay
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 134d
Yeah sounds pretty gay (derogatory) to care that much about being seen as gay (celebratory)
someguy3@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 134d
That's a lot of candle for something that's going to burn for less than a minute.
Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 134d
That's what she said?
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 134d
thagoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 134d
Is it because of Jeff Gordon? Is that why 24 is gay?
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 34 pts · 134d
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 134d
That's quite the leap. Must be a very well-known game, with a board that never changes.
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 134d
It’s an incredibly culturally impactful game, including in slang: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jogo_do_bicho#Cultural_impact
PartyAt15thAndSummit@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 134d
Oh. Thanks. I never knew any of this. Also, TIL that the last name of one of my favorite authors, Paulo Coelho, means "rabbit."
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 134d
WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social · 10 pts · 134d
I have Salvadorian in-laws that play a similar looking game called "loteria" which is similar to bingo and played at family gatherings. I assume most Central/South American countries have a similar game.
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 134d
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 134d
A friend of mine one introduced his girlfriend to a Colombian friend. He was quite surprised.
He name was Marieke, he heard maricon (pronounced quite similar) that's a Latin slur for gay too.
Thanks for filling in the etymology!
hraegsvelmir@ani.social · -2 pts · 134d
At best, it sounds vaguely like marica, which is another common slur, but just like my reply ti some dumbass claiming veado and viado are the same in Portuguese, you would have to have some sort of developmental disorder to think Marieke and marica sound the same, or completely ignore Spanish orthography.
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 134d
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 4 pts · 134d
Oh deer
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 134d
I looked it up, and allegedly it comes from a well known gambling game about animals, in which 24 is a deer, and "deer" sounds similar to a slur.
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 134d
Until I'm corrected I'm gonna assume this is why
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 134d
I don’t know if it’s the same in Portuguese, but in Spanish, “anos” (without the ñ) means anuses. So… 23 + 1 anuses. Sounds pretty gay.
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 8 pts · 134d
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 133d
23 + 1 assholes, totally not gay /s
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 11 pts · 133d
“No homo but happy birthday! Anyway which one of you fellas is up for some hotdogs and whipped cream?”
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 133d
Funny, because straight men worry about whether they might be or might be perceived as being gay all the time.
obbeel@lemmy.eco.br · 9 pts · 134d
Oh yes, my sexuality is protected 🫦
expatriado@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 134d
til "years" in Portuguese is spelled like "anus" in Spanish
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 134d
I dunno. That one looks a little phallic, could still be a little gay. Why not do 22+2 just to be completely safe? This isn't something you want to mess around with.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 134d
Anos is close enough to anus, clearly this candle is a secret invite to a 23 person gay orgy, the +1 is the lucky birthday boy.
Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 134d
"+"? What are they doing, crossing dicks?
diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 134d
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 133d
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 134d
Nevermind the pretty pink cake for a good little boy this goes on.
Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 134d
The US equivalent is 67
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 3 pts · 134d
Why is 24 gay? 🤨
And isn't "anos" actually "anus?" Años is "years old." If it's different in Portugese, that is one hell of a coincidence. lol
T4V0@lemmy.pt · 6 pts · 134d
Anos in portuguese means years, while ânus means anus. Portuguese doesn't have a tilde over the n, only vowels can have accents in portuguese.
And 24 has a gay connotation due a false homonym in a Brazilian illegal betting game named "bicho" (animal), the number 24 belongs to a "veado" (deer), which sounds like "viado".
The word "viado" is a gay slur originating from the word "transviado" (literally means straying from a path), and the original word isn't as popular, though.
Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 134d
24 is "vinte e quatro" and it sounds similar to "vim de quatro" which can be interpreted as "I came on all 4s"
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 3 pts · 134d
That sounds hot.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 134d
It's because of jogo do bicho but I like your headcanon better.
Dojan@pawb.social · 3 pts · 134d
But they’re happy with an anos on their cake.
Linnce@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 134d
Anos = years in Portuguese
Dojan@pawb.social · 0 pts · 133d
Thank you, I am aware.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 134d
I'm just jealous 23+1 year old men get their birthday celebrated there.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 133d
Now over to Colin Poppshed at the Gay Desk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OMdPj3HXMgQ
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 134d
They protect it 23+1/7
MrKoyun@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 134d
and we're the "snowflakes"
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 134d
You're all worthlessly unique.
5715@feddit.org · 2 pts · 134d
Is gay porn considered horror for heteros?