Aaron is no longer considered as cofounder by reddit. He fought for free speech.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/2377145

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ceenote@lemmy.world · 182 pts · 135d (3 replies)

Well, see, Aaron Swartz isn't a billionaire, so he doesn't matter.

Horsey@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 134d (2 replies)

He’s also been dead for over a decade, sadly.

j_0t@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 134d (1 reply)

If we make a comparison between Aron's situation vs Anna's archive-Nvidia deal, we can conclude if you are not a millionare the justice is applied different.

Doom@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 134d

There are two justice systems. Always has been. One for the elites and one for the rest of us.

Kirk@startrek.website · 153 pts · 135d (4 replies)

For those not in the know:

Swartz's involvement in Reddit is debated. He is considered the co-founder of Reddit by Y Combinator owner Paul Graham as a result of the merger of Swartz's project Infogami and Reddit. With the merger of Infogami and Reddit, Swartz became a co-owner and director of parent company Not A Bug, Inc., along with Reddit cofounders Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian. Ohanian considers Swartz a co-owner of Reddit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#cite_note-7

OberonSwanson@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 134d (2 replies)

Sounds like a similar situation to Elon and Tesla, no?

svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 34 pts · 134d

Arguably Elon and PayPal, since that was a merger, but not Tesla, which he bought his way into ex post facto.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 134d

what a coincidence, Huffman love kissing musk's ass from time to time.

Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 134d

Aaron was instrumental in rewriting Reddit from spez's half-baked lisp prototype to python. And that was before python hit it big. Kn0thing can't code and neither could spez. Without Aaron, reddit would never have scaled.

TimeNaan@lemmy.world · 103 pts · 135d (1 reply)

Fuck /u/spez

FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 104d

Reminder that Steve Huffman is greedy little pig boy

_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 77 pts · 135d (1 reply)

lol at the redacted usernames, like it's a secret or something

Deceptichum@quokk.au · 16 pts · 135d
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PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works · 42 pts · 134d

Fuck Spez

osanna@lemmy.vg · 34 pts · 134d (10 replies)

Although Aaron was instrumental in reddit's success, he wasn't a founder. He became part of reddit after reddit merged with infogami after a year or so of reddit being founded. therefore not a founder.

Stern@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 134d (2 replies)

It's a definition thing.

You are correct Aaron wasn't instrumental in creating reddit (Which most would agree is a prerequisite to being considered a founder I presume.), his company got grafted to it and he was given a founder title.

MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 134d (1 reply)

So the comment above you is wrong

Stern@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 133d

Again, depends on how you define founder. In the real sense, he's not. In the legal sense, he is. Per Aaron's reddit account-

https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/1octb/reddit_cofounder_aaron_swartz_discusses_how_he/c1oewi/

One of the points of the merger was that we would all call ourselves co-founders, so that's what I've been doing. I'd be happy to stop if that's what Steve and Alexis wanted, though.

Smaile@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 133d

sounds like a founder in all but name, so what if he came a year later, the intent to leave him out is clear considering they were willing to before.

VAK@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 134d (5 replies)

That's not how that works. Famously McDonald's and Tesla for example.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 134d (4 replies)

Musk isn't a founder of Tesla

VAK@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 133d (3 replies)
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 133d (2 replies)

Lol the definition of words don't change just because a court said Musk is allowed to call himself that (after being sued by one of the actual founders). Not exactly a good look.

VAK@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 132d (1 reply)

Sure buddy

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 132d

Lol am I wrong?

libre_warrior@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 134d

rest in force Aaron

Redvenom@retrolemmy.com · 27 pts · 134d

Fuck reddit

catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 134d (1 reply)

Steve Huffman... Isn't he that greedy little pig boy?

osanna@lemmy.vg · 19 pts · 134d

awww come on. pigs are smart intelligent beings. Quite the opposite of spez.

CannedYeet@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 135d (10 replies)

From Wikipedia

Reddit was founded by University of Virginia roommates Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian in June 2005, who were joined by Aaron Swartz that November.

I think it's reasonable to say that if you weren't there for the original ideation, you're not a founder. Doesn't mean Aaron wasn't an amazing person.

marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 45 pts · 135d (6 replies)
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berno@lemmy.world · -38 pts · 135d (5 replies)

What the fuck are you talking about

Calling everyone you disagree with "Nazi" debases what the Nazis actually did. You pollute discourse and distort the historical horrors and industrial genocide perpetuated by the fascist Nazi regime.

marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 37 pts · 135d (2 replies)
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null@lemmy.org · 14 pts · 135d

This exchange is hilarious.

berno@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 135d
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KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 134d

Though this one may be more apt:

Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 133d

If only I had a nickel for every time a .world user defended Nazis.

flamingleg@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 134d

something tells me you're not going to get the full objective history of this from wikipedia

VAK@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 134d

That's not how it works. It's building the company that counts. More pragmatically if existing cofounders said you're a cofounder, then you are.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 134d

im pretty sure he is a founder, he was even named by the other cof-ounders. he must be significant enough to have that title.

ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 135d (4 replies)
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verdi@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 6 pts · 135d
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yucandu@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 135d (2 replies)

Where does he live?

Serinus@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 134d (1 reply)

Besides the rule.against bringing this here, it's also just dumb. It shows incredibly clearly that you're 100% only talk. It's just so incredibly cowardly to call for someone else to sacrifice.

yucandu@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 134d

I think you got the wrong comment, I just asked where he lives.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 134d (1 reply)

huffman cant stop smelling MUSKs faerts, ohanian sold out for something else.

MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 134d

smelling

"huffing" was right there, man

DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 134d

Justice for Aaron Swartz

frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io · 17 pts · 135d (3 replies)

Ship of Theseus argument: would Aaron recognize Reddit of today with all its....improvements...as the Reddit he knew? Those two founded something that has the name but not the soul.

ChokingHazard@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 134d (2 replies)

What are these improvements you speak of? Pretty sure it’s been enshitified.

axx@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 134d

Improvements used here in an ironic way.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 134d

enshittification started when trump 1st term came about, every sub became more and infested with propaganda/politics.

green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 16 pts · 133d

fuck u/spez

lennybird@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 134d

Aaron was by far the best of them all. That documentary moved me to tears...

borQue@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 134d

Reddit is a pro-American forum with hard censorship and extremist moderators. They cover that up with funny memes to look like fun. Until you think you can post something yourself.

vga@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 134d

Could you post the URL this is from and not just a screenshot?

GatekeeperOnTurdMountain@programming.dev · 5 pts · 135d
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ikidd@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 134d

Murdered by Carmen Ortiz.

Fedizen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 134d

Reddit in a nutshell

SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 134d

Dude that's FUCKED up.

Fuck Spez.

lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 131d

spez is a opportunistic dickhead, no doubt.

mrslt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 134d

That tracks. Fuck reddit and fuck spez.

Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 134d
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RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 134d (1 reply)

Someone did a brief writeup on Swartz and Reddit on reddit. Pretty sure it’s been deleted, I saved it and it’s gone. It went against the hivemind take on Swartz as some sort of noble freedom fighter and offered evidence that he was naive, out of touch, didn’t have as much to do with Reddit as everyone thinks, and he was obviously troubled.

I have to take anything painting him as some kind of hero with a grain of salt.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 134d

He was a little naive. That doesn't change everything that happened to him

DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 134d
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GatekeeperOnTurdMountain@programming.dev · 0 pts · 135d (4 replies)
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Foni@piefed.zip · 11 pts · 135d

Please be mature, don't censor words ridiculously to say the same thing. There are no automatic censorship bots here; if an admin wants to censor the word "shoot," you're not going to stop them with that.

chaogomu@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 134d (2 replies)

Fun fact, while the head contains the brain, it also contains a lot of stuff that isn't the brain.

If a person were to place a gun against the side of their head and get the angle wrong, a bullet could completely miss the brain, while still causing massive damage.

Such cases have been recorded hundreds of times, in quite a few cases, the person in question has remained conscious long enough to reposition and try again.

shynoise@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 134d (1 reply)

We gotta talk about your definition of "fun fact" my guy

chaogomu@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 134d

The fun fact was just that the head contains other stuff than the brain.

The rest was less fun.

yesman@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 135d (1 reply)

Arron Schwartz is right there on the top of the page!

Maybe they thought it would be disrespectful to use an avatar for a deceased person?

Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 135d

That's from Google....

berno@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 135d (9 replies)

Aaron was based. Spez is a piece of shit and greedy little piggy and Alexis is a sellout.

Reddit died around 2015 when it became AstroTurf central for the DNC. It violently swung the other way with the Donald before admins shut that down because orange man bad.

For the record, fuck Donald Trump. He's a monster. Banning speech and calling everyone fascist doesn't help anyone though.

U7826391786239@piefed.zip · 18 pts · 135d (7 replies)
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berno@lemmy.world · -17 pts · 135d (6 replies)
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chaogomu@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 134d (1 reply)

Ah, someone who doesn't understand Free Speech.

You're free to say whatever you want, and we're free to tell bigots to fuck off, because we're not required to listen to your bullshit.

Private websites are not required to host your hatred, that's compelled speech, and is a violation of the First Amendment. Not that conservatives have ever cared about other people's rights.

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neoinvin@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 135d

what word is it you want to say? don't be shy now

U7826391786239@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 135d (2 replies)
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TaterTot@piefed.social · 4 pts · 134d (1 reply)

Snollygoster

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vga@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 134d

I was around to read r/theDonald when it existed. It was a horrible place of absolute hatred and banning it was a decent thing to do. It wasn't an exercise of free speech, it was an exercise of a Russian/Chinese psyops operation.