Which generation refused cookies?
I feel like most look at me like I'm crazy, regardless of age, when I deny/only accept the functional cookies on sites every single visit.
When the Financial Times published the article, "This Bug in Your PC is a Smart Cookie" on 12 February 1996 I remember quite a lot of people getting upset about it. At the time most were on dialup so you had a different IP assigned every time you connected so the idea you were being tracked in any way was a shock.
Should be denying all. I refuse to use websites that say there are "functional" or "required" cookies. That's bullshit. Also use extension that block and/or scrub cookies.
No, but if they have other cookies, the options range between "yes" and "only essential". The popup is for the other ones, but it also notifies you that you won't get zero, which they kinda do need to say if the popup shows up.
So you log again every single time you visit a website? I don't get the Luddite-y response people have when someone mentions cookies, ones that aren't cross-site don't impair your privacy.
Yup, every single time. Not hard when you use a password manager.
Also, lmao, how the hell is rejecting cookies, something that corporations have exploited to make the internet an increasinly hostile place, a "Luddite-y" response? Read up on the Luddites sometime. They are wildly mischaracterized. They weren't anti-progress like people have been propogandized to believe, they were anti-exploitation of workers.
Actually, now that I think about it, that is a Luddite-y response, and I'm damn proud of it.
Apart from keeping you logged in, like the other commenter mentioned, cookies can for example be used to save the theme you are using (light/dark) or the language you picked. It would be annoying to have to reselect that every time you move to a different subpage.
Your browser passes theme and language recommendations to every site you visit. So outside of passwords, there are fewer reasons for cookies than you may presume.
I read they don't clear with clearing the cookies though? I want to make sure there aren't any and get rid of them, as well as any government or other malware while I am at it.
After 1/6 I was encouraged to join, I forget, Rumble I think, to see what they were saying, they tried to get me to agree to putting permanent cookies on my computer so I gave up, that was the first I heard about it.
There's no need to turn everything into a genration war. Computer literacy and a sense for maintaining privacy comes and goes with different groups of people depending on their upbringing. The ones who cared about their privacy to the point that they would refuse cookies on every site are definitely not the ones who roll over and let the AI agents access all of their data. A lack of good education and deliberate influence of the advertisement and tech industry has led us to this point and snarky flamebait on twitter isn't getting us anywhere.
I agree. Op reasoning is flawed in many ways: both the relation to generations, and the assumption that people who do x are destined to do y.
The most infuriating part of this statement is the supposed relation to generations. It is yet another discriminatory behaviour which usually goes under the radar. Just like it happens within sexism, op has needlessly correlated things to age.
This is not a generational thing. Trying to make it a generational thing is meant to cause divide and deviate discussions about privacy away from the real culprits. Tech megacorporations. Users cannot be held liable for failing to fight indoctrination and propaganda. The proper answer is compassion, education and advocacy. Infighting and arguing only empowers the oppressor. Don't play into their hands by making it a generational thing.
There is some nuance. Talking someone into or out of anything usually gets pretty easy if you can convince them it's part of thier identity. Generational identity is absolutely a propaganda tool... but once you recognize this, it becomes apparent that it cuts both ways
Please stop with the generational strife nonsense. It only serves as an attempt to distract from class war. We are all in this together against the rich bastards, regardless of our age.
"Consent-O-Matic" or, if you don't care about whether cookies are refused or not and just want the stupid banners gone, "I still don't care about cookies"
Cookie AutoDelete is good on the desktop. It can delete cookies when you quit Firefox, when you switch to another domain, when you close a tab... It's fun.
deleting cookies on close, with exceptios for sites, is a feature that is build into firefox, no need for an extension
if you use librewolf there even is a small toggle for keeping cookies so you don't have to visit the settings every time you want a new site to remember you
Cookie AutoDelete can do that for specific web sites that you choose in a white/black list. I always allow PieFed even when I restart, Google is in the default black list.
It's very much not a generational thing. More gen alpha might use AI because they're young and keep up with trends more, but there's still plenty that denounce it and plenty of boomers who accept it.
More gen alpha might use AI because they're young and keep up with trends more
That's not entirely true. There are cases where gen alpha students revolted against AI usage. One of the incidents was about the usage of Chromebooks which forced students to use AI - bottom line is, people where upset.
Treat it as an accompanying argument rather than arguing a point for your sake. Its just a different perspective exceplifying the point by focusing on the impacted group.
It has been interesting to me to hear tech professionals talk about giving AI Agents access to their desktops, and I suppose it's just the next step after people gave everything over to voice assistants.
I've just heard way too many stories of GenAI and LLM products screwing things up in a major way to ever be comfortable with that and never really got into smart home technology on the assumption (now proven correct) that the devices snoop on their users. I have a smart phone but generally keep it in a faraday bag.
It's the same kind of ppl in each generation that perpetuates enshitification. There are asshole CEOs in every generation, even gen z and alpha, and they'll be selfish pricks just like their predecessors. There are ignorant consumers who care to feel far more than to think, just like previous generations.
A cross section of the population shows more meaningful differences and similarities across generations than there is between them. Young ppl don't want to listen to their elders and elders understand how foolish the young are. If y'all looked across generations for direction from the ppp like you across generations, you wouldn't get so fucking manipulated by marketing and media that you think our problems are generational instead of class or character. It keeps us all divided and struggling while they steal everything and commit a wealth based genocide.
I'm gen x or millennial depends who you ask. Ai is a tool nothing more. No I don't five it access to anything but have I used it to write code for me definitely. I hated it but it does have uses. And that is the rub could I learn code to change ddns settings from a unified gateway when my external ip address changes. Or have my server change firewall rules on unifi when it address changes or make a local backup solution for unifi. No I don't have the time. Is the code safe who cares it never sees the light of day and does what it is supposed to and instead if taking days it took hours.
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anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz · 199 pts · 135d
Which generation refused cookies?
I feel like most look at me like I'm crazy, regardless of age, when I deny/only accept the functional cookies on sites every single visit.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 78 pts · 135d
Yeah, I don't think the two groups of people named in this post have much overlap. They seem pretty distinct to me as well
nul42@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 135d
When the Financial Times published the article, "This Bug in Your PC is a Smart Cookie" on 12 February 1996 I remember quite a lot of people getting upset about it. At the time most were on dialup so you had a different IP assigned every time you connected so the idea you were being tracked in any way was a shock.
tal@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 135d
I just have my browser set up to delete all cookies whenever I close it. You want to set a cookie, knock yourself out, website.
(I do also have various things that block some, but if more people just had "delete cookies at browser close" as default, that'd be a big deal.)
tyler@programming.dev · 3 pts · 135d
That would only work if you close your browser.
DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 134d
Me too!
jlow@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 135d
https://github.com/cavi-au/Consent-O-Matic can help with some of that.
lena@gregtech.eu · 7 pts · 135d
uBlock origin has a filter available for these cookie popups
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 134d
Which renders some webpages unusable until you interact with the thing you filtered.
lena@gregtech.eu · 2 pts · 134d
Yeeeah, it's still worth it for me though. If that happens I just disable the blocker temporarily
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 134d
I've been using consent-o-matic. It gets the big ones and a moderate amount of others.
https://consentomatic.au.dk/
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 134d
Agreed, just pointing it out for people.
13igTyme@piefed.social · 5 pts · 135d
Should be denying all. I refuse to use websites that say there are "functional" or "required" cookies. That's bullshit. Also use extension that block and/or scrub cookies.
lena@gregtech.eu · 43 pts · 135d
Some cookies are useful, like the ones keeping you logged in. Not all cookies are created with the sole purpose of tracking you.
tyler@programming.dev · 3 pts · 135d
And no law on the planet requires a notification for those kinds of cookies.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 134d
No, but if they have other cookies, the options range between "yes" and "only essential". The popup is for the other ones, but it also notifies you that you won't get zero, which they kinda do need to say if the popup shows up.
DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com · 0 pts · 134d
I can just log back in when I need to be, thank you.
lena@gregtech.eu · 0 pts · 134d
So you log again every single time you visit a website? I don't get the Luddite-y response people have when someone mentions cookies, ones that aren't cross-site don't impair your privacy.
DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 134d
Yup, every single time. Not hard when you use a password manager.
Also, lmao, how the hell is rejecting cookies, something that corporations have exploited to make the internet an increasinly hostile place, a "Luddite-y" response? Read up on the Luddites sometime. They are wildly mischaracterized. They weren't anti-progress like people have been propogandized to believe, they were anti-exploitation of workers.
Actually, now that I think about it, that is a Luddite-y response, and I'm damn proud of it.
lena@gregtech.eu · 1 pts · 134d
Aye that's fair, my comparison was too much of a hyperbole. But why not just block cross-site cookies?
DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 134d
Because there's no good way to do that reliably and easily, because the corporate world is run by douchebags with a rapists-mentality.
Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 135d
Apart from keeping you logged in, like the other commenter mentioned, cookies can for example be used to save the theme you are using (light/dark) or the language you picked. It would be annoying to have to reselect that every time you move to a different subpage.
XLE@piefed.social · 4 pts · 135d
Your browser passes theme and language recommendations to every site you visit. So outside of passwords, there are fewer reasons for cookies than you may presume.
Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 135d
They're only recommendations. You should still respect the user's choice if they choose something else, which is usually done via cookies.
tyler@programming.dev · 2 pts · 135d
Theme can use local storage, instead of cookies.
Opisek@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 135d
This breaks once you've got server-sided rendering.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 135d
What about "persistent" cookies? I spent hours and was unable to find them, let alone remove them.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 134d
They are normal cookies with a longer "time to die". They are mixed with normal cookies.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 134d
I read they don't clear with clearing the cookies though? I want to make sure there aren't any and get rid of them, as well as any government or other malware while I am at it.
After 1/6 I was encouraged to join, I forget, Rumble I think, to see what they were saying, they tried to get me to agree to putting permanent cookies on my computer so I gave up, that was the first I heard about it.
tordenflesk@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 135d
There's UBO filter-lists for that.
anyhow2503@lemmy.world · 145 pts · 135d
There's no need to turn everything into a genration war. Computer literacy and a sense for maintaining privacy comes and goes with different groups of people depending on their upbringing. The ones who cared about their privacy to the point that they would refuse cookies on every site are definitely not the ones who roll over and let the AI agents access all of their data. A lack of good education and deliberate influence of the advertisement and tech industry has led us to this point and snarky flamebait on twitter isn't getting us anywhere.
Virtvirt588@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 135d
I agree. Op reasoning is flawed in many ways: both the relation to generations, and the assumption that people who do x are destined to do y.
The most infuriating part of this statement is the supposed relation to generations. It is yet another discriminatory behaviour which usually goes under the radar. Just like it happens within sexism, op has needlessly correlated things to age.
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 135d
But it makes it easy to understand through the lense of our existing prejudices!
youcantreadthis@quokk.au · 3 pts · 135d
Also, silicon valley must be turned into a radioactive wasteland. California's average habitability will be improved.
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 135d
What this person said
dustyData@lemmy.world · 109 pts · 135d
This is not a generational thing. Trying to make it a generational thing is meant to cause divide and deviate discussions about privacy away from the real culprits. Tech megacorporations. Users cannot be held liable for failing to fight indoctrination and propaganda. The proper answer is compassion, education and advocacy. Infighting and arguing only empowers the oppressor. Don't play into their hands by making it a generational thing.
Windex007@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 135d
There is some nuance. Talking someone into or out of anything usually gets pretty easy if you can convince them it's part of thier identity. Generational identity is absolutely a propaganda tool... but once you recognize this, it becomes apparent that it cuts both ways
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 134d
Or it's about money.
people like money and they will do whatever it takes to get it. regardless of generation.
arcine@jlai.lu · 63 pts · 135d
I'm pretty sure the Venn diagram of "refuses cookies" and "refuses AI" is a circle.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 135d
You'd hope, but no. Tech space is littered with "I asked chat-whatever-the-fuck how to delete cookies and it told me that I'm smart" people
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 134d
yeah but did you use linux when you deleted your cookies?
AAA@feddit.org · 37 pts · 135d
I'd rather say the same people who rejected cookies are also rejecting AI, no?
PurplebeanZ@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 135d
Can confirm 👍 (source: am said people)
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 34 pts · 135d
Which generation is that lol?
Rothe@piefed.social · 30 pts · 135d
Please stop with the generational strife nonsense. It only serves as an attempt to distract from class war. We are all in this together against the rich bastards, regardless of our age.
kamayatu24@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 135d
I don't know, I have an extension that refuses cookies.
This makes life safer and easier.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 135d
What is this extension? I want it for android on firefox and windows old version on firefox. Hopefully linux soon.
zitrone@europe.pub · 12 pts · 135d
"Consent-O-Matic" or, if you don't care about whether cookies are refused or not and just want the stupid banners gone, "I still don't care about cookies"
one_old_coder@piefed.social · 6 pts · 135d
Cookie AutoDelete is good on the desktop. It can delete cookies when you quit Firefox, when you switch to another domain, when you close a tab... It's fun.
zitrone@europe.pub · 5 pts · 135d
deleting cookies on close, with exceptios for sites, is a feature that is build into firefox, no need for an extension
if you use librewolf there even is a small toggle for keeping cookies so you don't have to visit the settings every time you want a new site to remember you
one_old_coder@piefed.social · 2 pts · 135d
Cookie AutoDelete can do that for specific web sites that you choose in a white/black list. I always allow PieFed even when I restart, Google is in the default black list.
zitrone@europe.pub · 1 pts · 134d
as i said, if you use the whitelist and don't need cookie deletion on tab close, there is no need for an extension
i used cookie autodelete too until i discovered this feature
Ghostie@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 135d
CodenameDarlen@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 135d
otacon239@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 135d
Remember, the only real separation in society is generated by the upper class!
mushroommunk@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 135d
It's very much not a generational thing. More gen alpha might use AI because they're young and keep up with trends more, but there's still plenty that denounce it and plenty of boomers who accept it.
Virtvirt588@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 135d
That's not entirely true. There are cases where gen alpha students revolted against AI usage. One of the incidents was about the usage of Chromebooks which forced students to use AI - bottom line is, people where upset.
mushroommunk@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 135d
Literally didn't read the rest of my sentence.
You're arguing my point for me that it's not a generational thing
Virtvirt588@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 135d
Treat it as an accompanying argument rather than arguing a point for your sake. Its just a different perspective exceplifying the point by focusing on the impacted group.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 9 pts · 135d
What generation is that???
zerobot@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 135d
just remember we live in a society
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 135d
KIDS THESE DAYS, AMIRITE?
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 135d
It has been interesting to me to hear tech professionals talk about giving AI Agents access to their desktops, and I suppose it's just the next step after people gave everything over to voice assistants.
I've just heard way too many stories of GenAI and LLM products screwing things up in a major way to ever be comfortable with that and never really got into smart home technology on the assumption (now proven correct) that the devices snoop on their users. I have a smart phone but generally keep it in a faraday bag.
Einskjaldi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 135d
In theory you can run it 100%local if you have a big gpu
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 134d
It's the same kind of ppl in each generation that perpetuates enshitification. There are asshole CEOs in every generation, even gen z and alpha, and they'll be selfish pricks just like their predecessors. There are ignorant consumers who care to feel far more than to think, just like previous generations.
A cross section of the population shows more meaningful differences and similarities across generations than there is between them. Young ppl don't want to listen to their elders and elders understand how foolish the young are. If y'all looked across generations for direction from the ppp like you across generations, you wouldn't get so fucking manipulated by marketing and media that you think our problems are generational instead of class or character. It keeps us all divided and struggling while they steal everything and commit a wealth based genocide.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 135d
gen x here. I still refuse cookies. I also refuse AI.
most the people I see promoting AI are millennials and gen z.
🤷 whatever though, nobody will listen to me anyway.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 135d
I'm gen x or millennial depends who you ask. Ai is a tool nothing more. No I don't five it access to anything but have I used it to write code for me definitely. I hated it but it does have uses. And that is the rub could I learn code to change ddns settings from a unified gateway when my external ip address changes. Or have my server change firewall rules on unifi when it address changes or make a local backup solution for unifi. No I don't have the time. Is the code safe who cares it never sees the light of day and does what it is supposed to and instead if taking days it took hours.
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 135d
Oh fuck off and get a life
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 135d
are you okay? do you need help? maybe a quiet place to ball up and cry?
you have a nice night now, you big baby.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 134d
Don't take cookies from strangers.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 134d
You can't spell All without AI
zerobot@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 135d
very deep, now spray paint it on a wall and take a picture for extra aura
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 135d
Or use AI to generate a picture of a spraypainted wall.
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 135d
Its because we thought r2d2 was cool and we all secretly want a robot friend.